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Howdy all,
I'm sceptical about the level of protection a few centimetres of expanded polystyrene foam can provide [i]anyway[/i] (man, it's cosy under this bridge) but am especially concerned about sticking lumpy things to these ****t hats.
All helmet manufacturers say "don't attach anything to the helmet cos your brains will drain out through your ears" and with good reason as surely landing on a light mounted to a helmet is gonna seriously compromise the helmet's ability to do whatever it's supposed to do.
Clearly a light on your head is very convenient, but is it the road to spectacularly failed helmets and HID lights embedded in a frontal lobe?
I saw one guy who had the torch simply wedged in one of the vents
Clearly a light on your head is very convenient, but is it the road to spectacularly failed helmets and HID lights embedded in a frontal lobe?
I assume you are looking to spark an Anti\Pro helmet debate here, bit of a poor effort really ?
I will answer anyway.
Most of the helmet light brackets i have seen would fail before enough force had been exerted to push it through the helmet itself.
USE joystick helmet mount....
Assuming this isnt a troll, which i suspect it is, i will answer
Covering your bases, like it, like it.
I was more worried about a light concentrating forces on one point of the helmet thus making a failure-to-protect more likely.
And what about all those lights that attach with straps that definitely won't fail.
Just reworded my post, you might like it even more or less now !!
Which lights you thinking about ?
Sometimes you can worry too much 🙂
Hmm interesting, wouldn't mind knowing more about this. The use helmet bracket would certainly let your joystick pop out in a crash but dunno what the anchor/clamp would do to a helmet in a crash. The hope 4 helmet strap wouldn't let go very easily in a crash I think.
Lets just try to keep away from the usual do wear/don't wear helmet argument.
The whole anti/pro helmet thing will never go away and I've ceased to give a t@ss but I do worry (possibly too much, Pies), whilst commuting mainly, about the number of people that have lights attached the front, top, back, sides of their helmet. They're wearing a lid in the belief that it will reduce the risk of injury but then they compromise what the helmet can do by attaching random hard things to it.
If you landed on a smooth surface the light might make it worse, if you landed in a bunch of rocks it might make no difference, if you landed on a super sharp rock then it might save your life!
If however you don't crash because of the great view you have of where you are looking, not where the bike is pointing then it is even better still. Do they call that passive safety in cars?
Not seen a mount that is that secure though, am quite happy that the mount on my AyUp's would just let the light pull off, same for others I have seen in the flesh but some of the velcro strap bodges might be a little more secure.
I have just used those two fish lockblocks on a helmet, I imagine they would rip off pretty easily in a crash. I don't really see how the light being there is any worse than landing on a similar shaped rock.
what the anchor/clamp would do to a helmet in a crash
You mean the stuff that is clamp with a platic bolt...
S****
if you landed in a bunch of rocks
Oh yeah, I hadn't thought about rocks (I try not to) but I think my main concern is people on the road: I'm sure there are people on here that commute by bike (surely one or two...?) and that have lights somewhere on their helmet. I see loads of other commuters doing it and I do worry.
Worry, worry, worry.
I imagine lots of people used to ride (or still do) with no helmet and headtorches on, and are probably still alive. Or are you suggesting this would be safer than a helmet with a torch mounted on it?
Nah, I'm not talking about wearing a hlemet or not wearing a helmet, basically I'm just worried that people have this perception that helmets make your ride safer but then they go and stuff their helmet's ability to actually make it safer by strapping shite to it. Why wear the hlemet if you're gonna make it dangerous? I'm certain the helmet manufacturers wouldn't approve.
[i] I see loads of other commuters doing it and I do worry.
Worry, worry, worry. [/i]
if you're not doing it yourself, why worry? I'm perfectly happy with having my light helmet-mounted. But if you want to worry on my behalf, please be my guest. Oddball...;)
You mean the stuff that is clamp with a platic bolt...
Yep, I think if someone held a plastic bolt to your head and hit the end with a rock/hammer it would still do some damage. You'd have to be unlucky but if my heads flying towards rocks/ground then I'm already into the realms of unlucky 🙂
Why wear the hlemet if you're gonna make it dangerous?
Maybe the helmet is purely to hold the lights?
But Andy, aren't you worried that the light could make your helmet more dangerous?? Possibly as dangerous as a mouse-sized piece of plutonium???
And I'll worry on your behalf, no probs, just don't ask me to pray for you.
Maybe the helmet is purely to hold the lights?
Oh yeah, genius! That would certainly be easier than trying to tie lights to your head using your hair...
[i]
But Andy, aren't you worried that the light could make your helmet more dangerous?? Possibly as dangerous as a mouse-sized piece of plutonium???[/i]
no. I don't think it will make my helmet more dangerous. Offroad - as above, I might hit a rock etc. On-road - helmet is just a way of holding a helmet-mounted light in place, it's not going to help me in a crash, light or no light.
it's not going to help me in a crash
Everyone off the bridge! NOW!!!!!
bridge?
😆
Yep, I think if someone held a plastic bolt to your head and hit the end with a rock/hammer it would still do some damage.
Probably but it was more to say that the bolt will probably break in case of an impact.
Hang on we need him to answer that question.
CAN SOMEONE FETCH ME TJ
bridge?
Yeah, bridge. [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Billy_Goats_Gruff ]Things live under them[/url]....
[s]For me the simple act of wearing a helmet gives me full on Volvo syndrome (I am wearing a helmet, therefore am invincible) but I am happy with that situation, and it has had a couple of bashes so it has certainly prevented some minor injury but the fact is I would not ride what I do without a helmet so I wear one.
False sense of security maybe (well definitely, I would be much safer not riding at all) but it works for me and I don't really ride anything that mental.[/s]
EDIT-bananaworld you are right (in a couple of posts time)! I forgot to get to the point (not paying enough attention, as usual, to what I am typing), that being that having the light on my helmet will contribute to me being more likely to see where I am going so less likely to crash. Based on that I am more than happy to have my light, or camera, on, in the event of a crash. They don't seem to get hung up on branches any more than during a day ride either.
ah...you were trolling? fair enough. Nicely done, hadn't worked that out.
*Waves to Juan*
If the brackets are designed to breakaway on impact like the peaks are then its fine - if the lights are rigidly mounted then I would be concerned about the risk of rotational impacts - I would not be so concerned about straight impacts as it would be similar to landing on a rock. Helmets are tested by dropping them onto a lump about the size of a light IIRC. The potential for a rigidly mounted light twisting your head / neck if it catches on something is there tho
For this very reason my helmet light is merely stuck on with velcro so in a crash would breakaway easily
Tracker, nooooo! (in slow-motion) This thread's not about helmets or not...
And Andy, I thought [i]you[/i] were trolling...!
Ah, and I see the doctor is IN 🙂 Now, about my boil...
What light are you using TJ, pic would be useful - ta.
i tried to cable tie a tesco torch to my head, but it hurts my ears. Now i wear a lid.
[i]And Andy, I thought you were trolling...![/i]
No, I'm being serious. I don't wear a helmet on the road in the daylight (unless I HAVE to, eg to participate in a race). I use one in the dark so that I can mount my front and rear lights to it.
Woodsman- its a home made one - basically the front half of a torch with a remote battery box. The torch bit has velcro wrapped round it and there is velcro lining one of the vents - it just wedges in there held by the Velcro, a blow along its length could force it thru the vent into my head which would not be good. but any other direction apart from end on on the torch and it would breakaway.
Soobalias - I tried using M6 bolts in my skull - that hurt and didn't work too well
tried to cable tie a tesco torch to my head
How's the ghetto, Soob...?
Fair enough Andy, the troll accusation was in jest anyway: I was just worried it might all flame up and some retarded helmet debate would start.
WHICH IS NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. mmmm'kay?
AyUps have a velcro mount available. They are also fairly low profile compared to other helmet lights I've used.
Ok thanks TJ - was looking for a back up helmet light, Joystick with the price tag type of thing - can't be faffed with rigging up something from Tesco or similar.