nedrapier - MemberWhat the frame weight on an R8?
It's a secret 
Which I reckon means just as heavy or heavier than a Soul, despite having similiar construction and less capability and being more expensive 😉
Still, Bike-Scene still has them at £270, which is definately worth a look, if that's an option for the OP.
Mr Tortoise, with an appropriately spec'd Soul, unless you're approaching a DH race mix of terrain and speed, a FS will be pretty much redundant!
I've never subscribed to this belief since I'm a strong believer that a full susser can offer advantages over a HT on the ups and the alongs. It's not all about "will this bike let me ride DOWN here?" If I could only have one bike it would be a HT, but if I could only have one bike it would probably also be rigid.
...I do really love your bike tho' 🙂
Genesis do some cool hard tails.
[b]@Scamper[/b] Seems your bike's lost weight recently? Where's the gravity gone since you correctly guessed the weight of mine at 26lbs? Lightweight summer tyres?
I've had a Sanderson Breath and a Soloist in the past before my bespoke Curtis,they are great for the price and I don't think you'll be disapointed with one.However don't take the weights they list on the site as accurate my 16" Soloist weighed a tad under a pound more than listed I was pretty gutted to be honest with you i know a few others over the internet that have discovered the same thing.
All steels (the material not a particular tube or frame) are basicaly the same stiffness.
In general stronger steel built into a lighter frame will be less stiff, simply as youhave less metal. Assuming all other factors like tube diamter are the same...
You can pick up an Orange R8 frame for £270 now? That's a bargain for an 853 frame if you ask me.
I think you can find the weight for the R8 frame on the orange website.
OOPS!! sorry guys it's no longer on the orange site but it still exists in the pages of Retrobike where someone plucked it out a while back.
Anyhoo its claimed weight was 2.4kg with the quick release seatclamp so thats 5.29lbs.Not sure what frame size that is 🙄
Rock lobster853? Mine with f120 xt group set and a lightweight seatpost/saddle is sub 27lb 3x10. It certainly feels light.
scamper
would agree my Soul 17.5" 9 speed, light rims carbon bars xt cranks hope mini brakes tubeless is 23.7 lbs.
