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Right, so what scales do I need to get to accurately weigh my 150mm bike? Seriously. 😳
I don't think it matters what scales you use provided they've been properly calibrated. My mate used a Park DS-1 at our LBS.
To echo the above comments, I kinda fancy a Mega to replace my Blur 4X but the 4X is such a good bike, I think I'll be waiting a bit to see what people think / read some reviews before I launch in and spend 'only a grand' on a brand new, unproven frame.
As for taking the no brainer approach and getting a Five (or Alpine to give a better comparison to the Mega), theres a reason. Look at the reviews. All excellent. I'd rather take the no brainer approach and get a proven, reliable frame with pedigree than something fresh off the boat thats had nothing but testing and some very good marketing by the CRC/Hotlines empire (which as a result has obviously gotten a few STWers creaming their pants).
Happy to be persuaded otherwise though... otherwise its a Maxle'd Five for me this autumn probably.
If you're selling the 4X then let me know 😉
If I do, it won't be until the back end of the summer so keep and eye on the classifieds / eBay!
[i]Did you use particularly heavy grease on that build...? A mate has the non carbon enduro and his build I think comes out at just under 31 lbs. Get the impression that most people must weigh their bikes on some seriously dodgy scales (including my mate) [/i]
Probably. Its a live in Alps build (Coil forks, dh bars, heavy pedals but everything else is not heavy). Bathroom digital scales but have weighed other bikes on 'real' scales in shop and same weight (but secretly hoping they are wrong as it would make me lighter!)
RHS someone else has already built a TREK session with boxxers to under 30
my lightest full sus is 37lb ( 4.5" travel 8.5lb coil sprung frame with pikes & light but proper DH build) goes up..well..as well as any 37lb bike with a single 36T and DH geometry. not what it's for tho, eh?
just for example, the chain device on the session weighed half what yours does
'can' and 'normal people can' are different 😉
I've no idea how "abnormal" you are RHS but if I really wanted to I'm sure I could manage removing all the durable DH parts and bolting silly lightweight parts onto my 40lb DH bike to bring it down to 10lb lighter.. I'd consider myself fairly "normal" and I can (not that I would)! 😉
none of the parts you listed on your cannondale are anywhere near the lightest in their class, it'd be easy to knock 5lb off your build, and no.. I don't really see your point
FWIW your cannondale is almost exactly the same weight as my hardtail, a 4.5lb dirtjump frame which was built for strength and durability. if lightweight was your goal with your build you failed miserably.
My point is the Mega build is NOT going to be lightweight or anywhere nr lightweight. So you saying, 'Yeah...someone somewhere made a bike under 30lbs but I don't know any details' is kinda lame.
Tell me where I can shave 2250 (5lbs) grams off my heavyweight build (that I coincendently race in such races as Mega/Enduro Series) and then tell me (and the other Mega builders) how much that will cost please. Then you'll see my point of 'realistic weight'.
minus 98g for the amazingly lightweight Chain Device gives you approx 2150g to go 😉
I actually know all the details of the TREK build I mentioned, but CBA either showing you a link to it or mentioning any more than one example to show how your mega bike is not even vaguely a weight concious build. I'd imagine searching google would find it if you really wanted to (but from the list of mediocre parts you use I'm guessing you wouldn't put that much commitment into your own build anyway) but if I'm wrong, do your own research, I'd bet every part you have could be switched to a lighter alternative or modified in some way to save weight.
cost shouldn't even come into it if you want perfection. Vouilloz ran custom a priceless shimano crankset for his first forays into mega racing. just because ?YOu can't afford something doesn't make it unrealistic
I would think a sub 30lb build would be easy enough, whilst keeping the strenght and durability to do enduros. My nicolai 'only' weighs 33lbs with nothing particulally light on it. So yeah sub 30lb would be easy
My Transition Covert (7.2lb frame including RP23) weighs 32lbs on a Park Tools scale.
Nothing light but nothing heavy either - Fox 36 RLC FIT, Pro2s, Mavic 521s, XT, SLX - etc etc
I have just finished building my 180mm travel 31 lb bike....alu frame as well and still about 2 pounds to shave off..
My Blur 4X weighs idontgiveashit lbs and it rides brilliantly.
That Trek is quite impressive - surely there are lighter DH frames out there too???
Gw. Keep up. I have a mediocre specialized.
Nasher is incredible. Nicolai etc but you are all just saying stuff. No proof.
Not sure when a custom valved fox 36 rc2 became mediocre though.
Anyhow, my 30ish lb bike climbed 800m very nicely tonight and i know that you are all full of shit 🙂
RHSno2 - MemberAnyhow, my 30ish lb bike climbed 800m very nicely tonight and i know that you are all full of shit
Ah. I was going to try and reason with you til you posted that. Instead, you can **** off. Call us liars to our faces some time eh. I gave you facts, full build and weight, you just give us insults.
The only thing lamer than this bitch-fight is the 16 pages of pointless slagging of that 29lb Trek.
All the weight weenie talk must be getting to me, now aiming for a similar weight as DaveyBoyWonder 😉
Since when has weight been the definitive indication of a good bike? That session may be less than 30lbs, doesn't make it a great all mountain bike does it.
Gee's commencal was one of the heaviest bikes on the dh world cup circuit last year and it didn't seem to hold him back at all. I'm sure with the kit and sponsership he has at his disposal he could easily have lightened the bike more if he had felt the need, and he's racing world cups at the top level.
Then again, maybe he needs some stw advice eh?
thv3 - MemberSince when has weight been the definitive indication of a good bike?
Who ever said it is? 😕
But, some people like light bikes and find them better to ride, so for those people if they can get the same results from a lighter package, that'll be better than the same results from a heavier one. I built up my Mmmbop with my Lyriks, 721s, and dualply highrollers and it felt like a big lumbering sack of s**t for instance, but with its regular kit it's a blast. (it might actually have been faster with the heavy kit, but it wasn't any fun for me).
But anyone who thinks light bikes are definitively better is probably an idiot. It's all part of a package.
Calm down dear.
My point IS that you CAN get a 7.5lb frame beneath 30lb but it would be a top end build with some durability compromises. So, people saying 'its around 30lb' is just wrong.
Everyone else has just gone off on some standard stw tangent. The trek has no relation to 99% of peoples needs/wants and is a case of making something light just because.
I forgot how touchy you people get. 'would you throw insults to our face?' have you been on an internet forum before?
P.s you didn't mention pedals in your build.
In the DH scene there was a time when everyone was trying to be a weight weenie. General conclusion was, that there was a point by which light was too light, as the handling of the bike went out the window.
Now 35-40lb seems to be the magic weight.
RHSno2 - MemberP.s you didn't mention pedals in your build.
Yup, forgot to mention those, it has HT Components Nanos on it- could easily go lighter but these are cheap.
"My point IS that you CAN get a 7.5lb frame beneath 30lb but it would be a top end build with some durability compromises."
And what [i]I've[/i] shown is that this is rubbish. Not that this was ever actually your point, it's just a rather pathetic backpedal- earlier on we were "deluding ourselves" or "full of shit".
Well thats just shows how diffrent people are that all do the same thing ( ride bikes )
I once used a orange 5 in Morzine for 2 days and whjat a complete pile of shite compared to my Cube Fritzz!!! also a lad i ride with got shut of his 2009 5 and he says it was the best thing he did ( get rid ) he now loves his new ride, then on the other hand people will probably tell me the 5 is the best bike in the world. Why do people believe what they read in mags, if orange spend £250,000 a year on advertising in mags and othert companies spend £5,000 who do you REALLY believe is going to get the best reviews!? its not rocket science.
i worked in the outdoor trade and dealt with companies such as berghaus and northface and loads of less well known brands, and we had more problems and more returns due to leaking and shite stitching with the so called big boys ( berghaus / northface ) compared with the likes of Montane / Mountain Equipment / Rab and so on. But what did 90% of people come into buy because its the best equipment money can buy says the likes of Trail magazine....... NOT. Who actauly get 74% of there advertising money from the likes of berghaus and northface. get a grip people.
Well done Northwind.
I am no weight weenie but just fed up with manufacturers AND consumers living in a 30lb land of lies.
I weigh my bikes with scales. That's how I come up with the figures 🙂
As for 5 being bad bikes - I really like mine. It did take me a while to get it sorted though. I suspect that some people expect a bike to be perfect out of the box, whereas for me it's simply a frame which requires careful building into a bike. If say it dives too much at the front and throws you off then it's unlikely to be the fault of the frame, is it? Things like stem, bar position, forks, fork setup and so on are all crucial and very personal. I like the 5 frame because it's stiff and the geometry suits the riding for which I use it. Oh and it weighs 27.5lbs 🙂
I have no idea if it's the best bike in the world, I've only ridden half a dozen comparable bikes. Some of which were also good 🙂
I didn't read the reviews before I bought my bike btw.
[i]Oh and it weighs 27.5lbs[/i]
Good for you. Five is a great bike. Lotta good bikes out there. I reckon a Mega will be too.
Pagey's "tough build" Mega at 30.04lb
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Helium in the tyres? 😉
Pedals? Calibrated scale? Men in black weird alien face! 🙂
That bike with the crappy orange Chinese parts and dull Monarch shock wouldn't last 5 minutes around here. Isn't the Mega just some fire roads and sheep trails anyway?
Hey walleater, that is one of the 'trolliest' posts I've ever seen! You are a troll, it's official, go and look up the definition in a dictionary if you're unsure.
You remind me of the man from Monty Python's 'argument' sketch.
I thought this thread had died ages ago, apparently only 2 of us have got one on preorder, the rest of the world seems to be in some sort of weight weenie handbag fight!
I'm still buying one, no-one's put me off! I rode Cutgate with my 575 on Friday. Now it's in the cellar getting ready for ebay...
Deveron53....I concur, 2 pages of bolx about a bike that needs to be built up and weight over 30lb!!!!
Go get one, I would, and for 900 sheets its a steel, just ignore the "trolls" and the "my Orange 5...." crew. NP are an awsome iconic MTB brand and will deliver the goods when you get it on the trails that it is intended for.
Walleater. How dare you 😉
I like the frames. i was so so so close to getting a yellow one, but had no bike and was not prepared to wait till 2013... I mean middle off 2011 to get it. Surely by the time these frames get into the shops they should really be thinking about showing off there 2012 bikes likes eveyone else... Wonder if they have even started to design the 2012 range yet?????
Infact if i was to go back to a FS i would definatly get the NP frame for a 160mm build.
Walleater.. C**k end!
Getting this back on track,
I have just taken the plunge and pre-ordered a med in silver through Descent Gear.
Fingers crossed the date doesn't slip any more!!
yay! AlexonaMega
I just took delivery of my Lyriks this morning. All the little bits keep arriving, ready for the frame. 1.5 stems are a bit heavy! Got a Sunline, might have to get something a little less 'ingotty'!
I just got my 55 rc3 ti forks and stuck them on my current frame (2005 hustler) and though it's really raked out with a higher than ideal bb I need to break in these forks!
Don't have the cash to pay for the mega yet so need to get selling! Keep an eye on the classifieds people!
Smalls (black and silver) are in stock now at CRC 🙂
Yes they are! Looks like all the large silvers have gone from the first batch at CRC though!
I have heard some good news today. The Megas are in the UK and being shipped to dealers. Gentlemen, start your engines!