[Closed] Groupset trickledown

It seems to happen pretty quick these days, maybe next year?

The normal Shimano cycle would mean that 11 speed 105 would be 2015 product, launch mid 2014.

can anyone tell me how/why this is an improvement?

1 louder innit.

One faster than 10 speed innit

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You get 16 in the 11-25 or you can have an 11-25....with an emergency 28 tacked on top.

can anyone tell me how/why this is an improvement?

I've been running 11 speed campag for about 3 years. The only real improvement is you have a tighter block cassette, so smaller jumps between the cogs. Or you could run a wider cassette than normal (say 12-25 instead of 12-23) and have the extra cog fill in the extra space.

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can anyone tell me how/why this is an improvement?

Well I've got nine speed so it'd be two faster/betterer for me - innit.

binners: my thoughts exactly.

it'll just mean 'one more click to get to the gear you want'

The biggest gripe for me is that it requires a dedicated 11sp freehub body, not great when you think how many people have shelled out for pairs of trick aftermarket wheels in recent years. I can see road disc brakes being slow to catch on too for this reason too.

redted - I'll bet that most bikes are bought complete which means that the issue of existing wheels is a non-issue...

It might well mean though that you don't see them on the road racing circuit in the UK as much as the sportive/recreational one though.

it'll just mean 'one more click to get to the gear you want'

Or it'll have exactly the same gaps but a wider range. whether that's useful depends on what/how you ride.

So my 7 speed cross bike is out of date then ?

The biggest gripe for me is that it requires a dedicated 11sp freehub body, not great when you think how many people have shelled out for pairs of trick aftermarket wheels in recent years. I can see road disc brakes being slow to catch on too for this reason too.

Yea, but they're roadies, anyone buying £2k wheels isn't going to moan about £1k goupsets.

So my 7 speed cross bike is out of date then ?

If [b]you[/b] think it is, it is. Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks does it?

From my understanding the new freehub body is the same size as a Campag 11. So if those trick wheels can be converted between Shimano 10 and Campag then there is more than likely a Shimano 11 body that will fit. I know this is true for DT Swiss 240 and 350 based stuff.

Edric 64 - Member
So my 7 speed cross bike is out of date then ?

But the current Campag free hub takes 9, 10 & 11 speed cassettes and has been around since 1997.
I've got a set of wheels that started with 9 speed, went to 10 in 2005 and might go to 11 next year.