[Closed] Glentress - £20 to park a van ?!?

you carry on defending them

I'm not defending them. I've had tickets off them, as I said earlier.

But someone else said they looked at the charges, and confirmed mini buses are £20, so it can't be that unclear can it?

passive-aggressive manner.

🙄

See the disabled loos thread for further evidence neal. 😉

Usually pop into town for a cup of tea, fish n chips, pub, browse in bike shops.

See the disabled loos thread for further evidence neal.

Am I wrong?

Or aren't you bothered about the point I'm making ?

Wrong about what?

Usually pop into town for a cup of tea, fish n chips, pub, browse in bike shops.

Of course. You must be stuffed after all that food/tea/alcohol in you 😉

Grum- Llandegla used to be abusable parking. With a chap/chapette stood in the way now you've no choice but to pay.

If your paying the right amount who cares? The only thing I'd like to know is is there a time limit on parking at Glentress. i.e. what if you have a fall or mechanical. If your penalised for that- and made to pay still then its rank.

He paid the wrong parking fee.

He didn't pay for a minibus when he should have, and he got a ticket (invoice)

It's nothing to do with "evil parking company", it was his mistake.

hora - Member

Grum could it be some people parking were taking the piss?

It's exactly that tbh- I mean, personally I think it's badly handled but previously there was no enforcement and people took the piss, which impacts investment (and wasted tons of ranger time too). So now they've swung the other way and got in bed with the parking nazis.

Hard to describe really but where does the revenue from the carparks go to? If I ride somewhere I'll shop in the trail cafe, pop into the shop and pay for carparking..

Grum- Llandegla used to be abusable parking. With a chap/chapette stood in the way now you've no choice but to pay.

Seems like a good approach.

He paid the wrong parking fee.
He didn't pay for a minibus when he should have, and he got a ticket (invoice)
It's nothing to do with "evil parking company", it was his mistake.

So we're not allowed to talk about the wider issue of whether it's a good idea for a public body like the FC to get in bed with a shady parking company?

So now they've swung the other way and got in bed with the parking nazis.

I know 🙁

I'd like to know what happens if you have a mechanical though (and delayed getting back).

After all, its not as though you've been shopping in Next/M&S and forgot the time. There are factors out of your control due to the nature of the sport/location. I wonder if the FC USED THEIR BRAIN and just done all day tickets and not the 3hour option etc.

3 hour stay at kirroughtree, I need 3 hours just to stand at the top of the end of mcmoab looking at it and occasionally getting on and off my bike.

So we're not allowed to talk about the wider issue of whether it's a good idea for a public body like the FC to get in bed with a shady parking company?

You can talk about what you like. Who's stopping you.

You are the one who started quoting my posts and trying to pick holes in them ?

Look at the FC website for Glentress - no mention of a different minibus charge, no definition of what a minibus is defined as. But you've decided how many seats there must have been and that there is a universally accepted definition of what a minibus is, which obviously the OP HAS to be aware of.

And no criticism of a dubious parking company is ever warranted because it's ALWAYS the fault of the car park user.

You can talk about what you like. Who's stopping you.

You're trying to dictate what can legitimately be discussed in relation to the OP - classic controlling passive-aggressive behaviour. 😉

My t5 is a car. The v5 tells me so

Awesome, by that logic, my motorbike is a bicycle, my v5 tells me so. That's the last time I pedal up that hill!

[quote=grum ]Look at the FC website for Glentress - no mention of a different minibus charge, no definition of what a minibus is defined as. But you've decided how many seats there must have been and that there is a universally accepted definition of what a minibus is, which obviously the OP HAS to be aware of.

The OP said upfront it was a minibus, despite the title of this thread, so I don't think we need to discuss the definition....

Yep, it sounds like he paid the wrong amount and thus has been 'fined/invoiced'.

However, I believe that 20pounds for a minibus is wrong. They should be encouraging School kids/reducing cars, not making profit out of it.
Only my opinion of course, I'm sure plenty will disagree.

Ive got a T5 LWB which was a 9 seater but is now a 6 seater.. not that you can tell because the windows have been blacked out....

I have never had to pay minibus prices at gt nor have i had a ticket..

Should we really be paying for parking given that the FC is funded by the taxes everyone has already paid anyway? It isn't as if it is a private enterprise trying to recoup what it has spent, the fc is already paid for.

Look at the FC website for Glentress - no mention of a different minibus charge, no definition of what a minibus is defined as.

But according to a previous poster, that information is available at the car park.

But you've decided how many seats there must have been

The OP said it was a Minibus himself, so it's a minibus.

and that there is a universally accepted definition of what a minibus is,

Legally, there is.

which obviously the OP HAS to be aware of.

Not the OP, but the driver of the vehicle, and yes, he would be aware of it, because he would need to be insured appropriately, and if he's driving it for work, licensed appropriately too.

And no criticism of a dubious parking company is ever warranted because it's ALWAYS the fault of the car park user.

No sorry.

You made that bit up.

I didn't say that.

munrobiker - Member

Should we really be paying for parking given that the FC is funded by the taxes everyone has already paid anyway?

If you want the FC to spend money on bike trails then yes.

Northwind - Member
munrobiker - Member
Should we really be paying for parking given that the FC is funded by the taxes everyone has already paid anyway?

If you want the FC to spend money on bike trails then yes.

if the money went back into improving the facilities then paying for parking is absolutely fair enough.
In the specific example of glentress where parking eye "run" the car parking the money all goes to parking eye. I very much doubt parking eye has given a penny to fund any of the site at glentress. Indeed i would encourage people to park off site so as to not bolster parking eyes profit margins. Spend the money with local business instead of a company owned by Capita

You think that the FC aren't getting anything from the arrangement? That's, er, odd.

I'm sure the FC have contracted out the parking. I'm sure parking eye pay a small amount to the FC for the pleasure. It will be a tiny percentage of what the carpark makes but if you think that the money that goes into the machine goes directly back to trail maintenance then That's, er, odd.

I'd go along with that - I always pay to park at Cannock (unless it's late and they're shutting/shut). Three quid or whatever it seems peanuts as a contribution towards a facility I get so much out of

amazes me the lengths people go to avoid the rangers at Woburn. Burn a tenner's worth of diesel getting there, drag your £4K bike out the car, then skulk in the bushes like a sex offender when someone comes politely asking for £3 to cover liability insurance for the landowners 🙄

and that there is a universally accepted definition of what a minibus is,

Legally, there is

Indeed, you need "D1" on your driving licence to drive one. Which hasn't been automatically added for years now (I took my test ~12 years ago and don't have D1 on mine). This has become a problem for babylon/feds/po-po, as they have fleets of transit minibuses and a generation of officers not licenced to drive them-we're replacing ours with smaller Vivaros.

However, I believe that 20pounds for a minibus is wrong. They should be encouraging School kids/reducing cars, not making profit out of it.

That I do agree with.

Not related to the original post (sorry) but picking up on some of the other points raised. In my experience (Cannock) the increase in visitor numbers requires a more stringent parking enforcement procedure than a direct member of FC staff (usually a recreation ranger or warden) hence parking companies are brought in to administer the process (and take their fee no doubt).

The money raised (FC share) then goes into central funds as opposed to being spent as ‘cash’ on site but the revenue generated by the site then supports their internal case for additional funding to support recreation aspects of their location. This will include families, walkers, horse rider and mountain bikers. Likewise it helps to support the case for annual funding allocations to mountain bike trail construction, maintenance and management.

So yes the FC as a government body are already funded (to an extent) but the demands of what is a very positive approach to mountain bike trails requires a greater budget allocation which they get by showing that they are a worthwhile case to receive this funding.

There is no head honcho sat in the forest offices at Cannock counting all the car parking cash and not then spending it on the trails ;o)

Whether the best companies are chosen to administer the parking regime is a separate debate for me though.

So for a minibus it's £20 with potentially only 9 seats? But you could have a full car of five people for a fiver? Doesn't that encourage people not to use minibuses and take several cars instead, which is worse for the environment and takes up more space in the car park.

Sounds perfectly reasonable. 😕

So you've looked up this "universally accepted definition of what a minibus is" that I apparently made up

Awesome 😉

seosamh77 - Member

polis

It's [i]police[/i], seeing as your spell-checker obviously isn't working.

Well done on scoring a cheap point. 😉

It doesn't change the fact that £20 vs £5 makes no sense whatsoever, and I'd still like to know why it doesn't mention these minibus charges on the FC Glentress website. And a public body still shouldn't be operating in conjunction with a shady parking firm.

But you've won on the really important stuff, so well done.

It's the polis where I'm from.

Well done on scoring a cheap point.

Thanks.

(It was way more than one point, you just ignored the rest 😉 )

Like I said, it was you that started quoting my posts and trying to pick holes in them 😆

just explained that he was probably wrong in thinking he could park a minibus for the same price as a car.

For the smallest possible minibus, then I suppose it is a bit steep, although for a bigger minibus obviously it gets more reasonable.

And as for 1 bus vs multiple cars, It's not just parking charges you need to compare, it's fuel to get there too.

It's police, seeing as your spell-checker obviously isn't working.

Nope - definitely polis up here.

sbob - Member

It's police, seeing as your spell-checker obviously isn't working.

Like I say, the law's different in Scotland.

I am the OP.

I understand it was a ~8 seater with the back row taken out - so it was teacher plus 4 or 5 kids and their bikes.

Teacher went up to the machine but the machine doesn't mention minibuses on it.

The problem is that the charges are not very clear. i.e. when does a van become a mini bus when you have panel vans, combi vans, camper vans, MPV vans with seats taken out etc etc. How do you compare with a Renault Espace, XC90, lwb Land Rover...

I doubt the parking attendant can check the DVLA instantly to see how the vehicle is registered so some form of guesswork is taking place.

I do agree, that paying the ticket is worth it since it continues investment in the trails (that keep folks off my trails!)

The problem is that the charges are not very clear. i.e. when does a van become a mini bus when you have panel vans, combi vans, camper vans, MPV vans with seats taken out etc etc. How do you compare with a Renault Espace, XC90, lwb Land Rover...

Teacher went up to the machine but the machine doesn't mention minibuses on it.

[quote=yacoby ]A minibus is defined as a vehicle with [s]between[/s] more than eight and up to sixteen passenger seats - [b]in addition to the drivers seat[/b].
Just to make it 100% clear. Removing seats doesn't de-classify it either, as long as it was constructed or adapted to carry that number at some point.
[quote=yacoby ]

Teacher went up to the machine but the machine doesn't mention minibuses on it.

£20 is cheap. TWO summers ago it cost us £24 to cycle at Drumlanrig castle in the borders. 4 blokes in one car @ £6 each is taking the p**s. Why not a tenner for the carload? - wont be going back - ever!
Torridon - free
Skye - free!
Circuit of Beinn Sgritheall - free

So thanks to the Dukedom of Buccleuch I wilnae be goin back.

TBF, the entry fee to Drumlanrig includes all of the grounds and the extensive kids playground. I therefore hope you got your moneys worth without breaking the swings!!!

£20 is cheap. TWO summers ago it cost us £24 to cycle at Drumlanrig castle in the borders. 4 blokes in one car @ £6 each is taking the p**s. Why not a tenner for the carload? - wont be going back - ever!

lol, you were paying for entry to the castle grounds and use their facilities as well as support the trail building. If you're really too tight to pay £6 (pint and half if that?) to ride your bike for a day you can park elsewhere. I'd happily pay double to ride drumlanrig, its such good riding.

As the place has just been mentioned, anyone know if Drumlanrig trails are open yet?

Aren't the trails always open?

£6 per person for Drumlanrig's trails is still great value, cheaper than a cinema ticket and much better.

Last I heard Drum is badly tree'd, haven't seen an update recently

They were shut during the winter for forestry work/wind damage. Not seen anything to say that they are open again. Hope it will be soon.

The cost of a season pass this year is only £15 per individual and can be bought online.