Hi swe1
I think you would struggle there mate. It took me a great deal of tinkering to eventually get a balance between the chainring size that would fit and then a smaller sprocket size to give me a usable gear range when setting my vagabond up with alfine. The largest chanring i could get away with was 36T using a 118mm square tapered bottom bracket.
I struggled to get a road compact-double on.
Went w/ MTB 28/40 in the end. Glad I did, the lower gearing is better for a bikepacking bike IMHO.
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Hi Vagabonds
What size did people go for with this bike? I'm 5'9" (31" inseam) and from what I can tell, geometry wise, slap bang in-between a S and a M.
I love the look of this bike but the dramatic difference between the effective TT length in the two sizes makes me worry I'll never get one to fit!
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I'm 6ft with a 32" inseam and on a large Vagabond.
Reach is spot on, and there is still a lot of post showing.
If you've got a 31" inseam then I reckon that a small will have far too much post on show. I'd think the medium (or even large) would be better.
I'm 5ft6 (and a half!) and just shy of 30" inseam. SMALL is just about right for me. Would agree that you would needing something larger
@swe1 , Hi Sebastian ,could you tell me what handlebar you've used on your build ? Thanks
That's what I was going to ask too!
Looks like an inverted On One Mary, or Jones H Bar
I'm 5'9" (31" inseam) and from what I can tell, geometry wise, slap bang in-between a S and a M.
Same inseam just shy of 5'10" and M is like a glove with stock bars/stem
The [url= http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/adventure/adventure/vagabond/vagabond ]2018 Genesis[/url] are out the Vagabond frameset is looking pretty tasty. Not sure how long the candy style finish will last mind, they tend to chip pretty easily.
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The full bike colour is very reminiscent of the original Salsa Fargo colourscheme.
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Still loving my 2016, they really need to do an XXL though, im on a 120mm stem already and want a little more stretch.
Hi rustybolt and molgrips it´s an "ERGOTEC Aerowing II", on long rides i change between 4 different hand positions, works pretty good. Also i was thinking about extra small Aero bars on top, for long straight road parts ;).
regards
Sebastian
Have any of you run with 700c wheels and 42c road tyres. I know theres clearance but concerned about ruining handling. I'm looking at getting one of these to run as a flat bar commuter with a wee ride on the front.
Have any of you run with 700c wheels and 42c road tyres.
It is a 29"/700c frame anyway, so this would be no problem. It comes with WTB Nano 2.1 tyres, which are equivalent to 52/53c tyres.
I've run mine with a range of tyres from 28c road tyres to a 2.4" on the back and a 3" on the front. It worked well with all the combos.
Sounds promising. They do look ace.
I've run mine with a range of tyres from 28c road tyres to a 2.4" on the back and a 3" on the front. It worked well with all the combos.
A bike like this makes me smile ^
Have only tried 35c or 2.1, both fine. And no toe-overlap on the 35c which is so far the only problem I've had with the Vagabond on >2" tyres, it feels like a short wheelbase On the flipside this does make it super-responsive for this type of brute.
Im currently running 40c landcruisers and the ride is spot on, although i am probably going to upgrade to a more supple tyre (bought this cheap from halfords to try out for size). I have also tried 2.35 Big Apples (Good fun but ride a bit wooly at times) and 28c gatorskins (turns it into a heavy road bike, dont see the point). Im probably going to settle on something between 40-45c as i think that will be the sweetspot for the kind of riding i use Vince (erm i mean my vagabond) for (mix of road and gravel/bridleways).
As a side issue im looking to enter a few 'gravel rides' next year i.e dorset gravel dash/dirty reiver/Grinduro and my vagabond is the most suited for the job, just need to decide whether the alfine needs to go to make the weight a bit more balanced. Does anyone else find theyre a touch on the heavy side or is it my build in particular?
I still cant add a picture. Grrrrrr 👿
Sorry if it's been discussed, but who's running a road crankset on their vagabond? How does that work out with chainline on the 135/mtb rear? Thinking of building one up with a middleburn R02 running something like which, I assume gives a road chainline, but will also use a sram mtb cassette /mech.
Theres a pic erlier in the thread of a road chainset on a tapered BB which left no useable clearance.
If you want bigger gears you can run compact road chainrings on 5-bolt mtb cranks which usually have a wider chainline. Having said that a 44t on a tripple with an 11t at the back with 29er wheels will give a similar gear to most racing bikes.
I'll be using an external BB option, but you're right anyway, lowered tyre / mudguard clearance isn't going to be good. I'll get an older 10sp slx then can easily up the gearing with after-market rings if required. I'm thinking of an on/off road gravel type set up with mudguards for winter and full mtb guise for summer with bigger tyres and lower gears.
I was thinking more chainring/chainstay (from page 4)
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I know but that's a square taper which looks very short, doesn't look like you'd even get a granny ring on there. I'd guess if he had made it work, chainline would be under 48mm.
I've got an Ultegra 53/34 on mine with an SLX HT2 bottom bracket. It's set up with a .5mm spacer on the left side and all the rest on the drive side, just clears enough. Shifters and mechs are all Ultegra as well, cassette is 11-36 all works a treat.
Used it for the first time nearly a month ago on the Scottish coast to coast race, delighted with how well it rides. When I can understand how to post pics I'll put some up.
Good to know. I'm now looking at the Rival 1 stuff which uses a road chainline, but with a single ring. The Sram docs are pretty comprehensive for dimensions so I'm going to have to draw the chainline up in CAD and try and get an idea of what mudguard / tyre clearance will be like.
For what it's worth, and for the info of anyone reading the above, rwb61 sent me some pics of his setup and he's using quite a few spacers on the drive side, effectively putting his road double on an mtb chainline or about 58mm by the looks of it, maybe more. With some rudimentary measuring, it looks like it's not possible to fit bigger than about 34t on a standard mtb chainline, the ring would sit in the crimp in the DS chainstay. The Rival 1 mentioned above uses a road chainline so it won't work in a standard configuration.
Just noticed it's been a year since this thread popped up. Interested to hear if anyone has used their Vagabond in anger? Full on monstercross? Flat-bar 29er? Swept bar reports? Far-flung bikepacking? Interesting specs? Fattest/narrowest tyres that have worked? Mudguards? My 2016 is still set up stock. I think Genesis did a great job speccing the build, to be fair. The Deore 2x10/ bar-end shifters still work like clockwork. Have yet to re-shoe the Spyres as my only real complaint has been the shocking wear-rate of the supplied pads.
Saw this pic today made me grin, am reminded to measure mine up for a framebag, 2018 approaches quickly...it'll be spring bivvy-time before we know it
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https://www.montanuswild.com/genesis-vagabond/
I've been very tempted to get a Vagabond so am bookmarking this thread..
Do it! 😀
Great bikes, extremely versatile, and good value for money (IMO). I've got a 2016, which I paid £750 for last November. It's worth looking for end of year deals.
I've put about a 1000 miles on mine so far. It's not my only bike, but unless I'm doing 'proper' off-roading then it's the bike I tend to pick first.
I even did a 110 mile sportive on it. Not the fastest bike, but probably then comfiest 😉
I've got 2 sets of wheels - the standard ones with 2.1 tyres on, and another set with 30c road/touring tyres on. Perfect for Devon country lanes.
Has anyone with a small vagabond got any feedback on toe overlap? I'm thinking about replacing my Cotic Escapade which although mostly great does suffer from said overlap when I'm trackstanding at junctions or trying to negotiate nadgery bits of trail at slow speed which is frustrating. Also, anyone got any experience of using the vagabond with 650b as well?
Me and a friend completed JOGLE in September both on Vagabonds. Very versatile bikes. Only thing that lets the stock builds down is the wheels and headsets. We both had to change ours halfway through
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can anyone confirm the rear stays are spaced at 135mm?
Genesis' geometry specs are silent but googling hubs they use on their stock build it looks like they're 135mm oln
that right?
Standard 135 x 9 qr hubs
thanks
Finally found decent chat about the vagabond... looking to buy full bike within the next month only thing putting me off is the shifters.... how do you guys find them to use??
Fine. I've always liked barend shifters for their simplicity and robustness.
Means you can shift on the bottom of the drops too.
Very occasionally I might knock one with my knee when climbing out of the saddle, but that is literally my only issue with them!
Long shot but has anyone tried a 27.5+ 2.8 in the back? Would likely be a maxxix ikon or rekon on a velocity blunt (31 internal) so not massive plus? Assuming the front would be no issue.
Ok, so I'm a few days away from getting a Vagabond. Before I commit, are there any sensible alternatives to consider. I'd love a Salsa but can't afford one. Just been looking at Sonders but they are more gravel than drop-bar 29er (if that makes any sense at all.) Anything I should think about?
mine custom build
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Love that colour!
Jeroend - what brakes and shifters are you using? (Also, love the colour.)
I've ordered mine. Not massively keen on the greenish colour but I'm sure I'll live with it once its covered in mud and crap!
Considering getting a Vagabond.
However, I already have a Surly Krampus, and I'm wondering if there will be too much overlap between the two bikes.
Anyone on here got a Krampus AND a Vagabond?
Also, if I were to fit standard 29er wheels and lighter tyres to the Krampus, how do people think this might compare with a Vagabond?
Any thoughts much appreciated
Brakes and shifters are Sram rival 1x11 hydraulic.
That looks like a really nice build Jeroend.
What wheels do you have on there. Apologies if you've already mentioned this elsewhere.
I have 2 sets for the vagabond
-ZTR crest + DT revolution + DT 240's
-Newmen 25 + sapim race + hope pro4
