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Hi all I'm new here.
Recently I have been thinking about chopping in my Specialized Enduro frame to return to a steel hardtail. I live in Kent and the Enduro is just too big for round 'ere, and I don't get enough chances to take it to places where I can really get the most out of it.
I used to own a Curtis SuperX (amongst other steel framed hardtails) and absolutely loved the feel of it, to this day (6 years later) I still regret selling that bike 🙁
Anyway, I've been out of riding for about 5-6 years, and the enduro was bought a couple of years ago to try and get me back into it, the wrong choice of bike has meant it's sat in the shed not doing much. So a steel hardtail seems a logical way to go to allow me to blat around Bedgebury trail centre as well as what little natural stuff there is round here, but I'd like to use the components from my enduro as shown in this photo:
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So, fox 140mm float R's, Mavic crossrides, hone cranks etc etc. From reading up on what's now available I've come to a list of three that I like:
Cotic Soul
Dialled Bikes Prince Albert
Ragley Blue Pig
I'd love the Curtis FR to basically build a bigger version of my old SuperX, but think I'd be better going for something cheaper to get me back into biking to begin with.
As you can tell from the enduro being custom powdercoated, I'm a bit of a bike tart, so it has to look good as well as ride nicely, I think the above all suit that with the components i've got available, it's just deciding which one will give me a nice compliant ride, allow me to tackle trail centres easily and cope with the odd moment of lunacy.
I know the question of 'which hardcore hardtail' has probably been done to death, but any help making the best ride out of what kit I have would be appreciated 😀
Cheers for any help with this, i'm finally looking forward to getting back on my bike!
Tom.
I know it's not steel but what about a Ti456? £799 for the frame but if you plan to have it a while it may be worth it.
I was thinking <£500 ideally to begin with, and would like to stick with steel if poss.
How about a Dialled Bikes Alpine to add to the list, or would the PA cope with what I've listed as potential riding?
Evil Sovereign is the best steel 140mm hardtail money can buy. And that's not just a biased opinion, it's a scientific fact.
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Seriously though, you want one in your life.
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Shonky phone photo of this evenings afterwork ride.
Does what I want, from all day rides to playing around in a Jeycore stylee.
Had it a year, no problems at all 🙂
Dialled PA. Love mine, just had it re-powder coated in black. Looks as good as it rides!
looks like a pig though... 😉
Just pulled the trigger on a Soul 😀 so we'll see how that rides.
Went from a Enduro to three years on a 456 - cracking bike. Hasn't got the tubing/kudos of the 'cooler' bikes but it still rides very well. Might be worth a punt s/hand to see if you like it on a HT before dropping £500 on something...
lol Reggie 😛
Get a 456 and with the change get it powder coated in the colour of your choice. Will still work out cheaper than any of the above and they ride brilliantly. A soul might be prettier and a blue pig would go down steps better but for someone getting into it again a 456 would be the way to go. Souls cost too much and if you are sensitive enough to notice the tubing differences then you probably cry watching Bambi or aren't riding hard enough! Blue Pigs are entirely wrong for Kent and Prince Alberts just don't look right.
If I was going to replace my Orange P7, it'd be an Evil Sov.
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Cotic soul, bit of a fan boy, but went from a 575 to an el guapo and have no regrets made me appreciate riding again!
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i got a 140talas fork in an inbred & its good 🙂
Sov; in black. Want!
Get some Soul in your life 🙂
Soul
Soul angles nice.
Whyte 19 trail?
Chameleon.
Best bike in the world. Even better if it's white.
Prince Albert would be my recommendation for the riding you've described.
Chumba hx1 ftw. Seriously, it's ace and more "steel is real" than you'd think. (for an alu frame)
Orange P7
I did pretty much same as you, went for a soul and it has amazed me far exceeded my expectations. And this is an older one so if they have made an amazing bike better....
There can only be one, the definitive long travel steel hardtail, I give you
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And in descending order of preference I have also built and ridden
soul - all the positive love is true, sov just has more character
alptitude - gorgeous riding bike, finish is dire
pa (mk2) - lovely feel but bit too chunky
p7- rides beautifully but again a bit too much girth
456 - bruiser that loves to point down
pa (mk1)- lovely ride but a bit too lardy
inbred - wee bit too nervous
chameleon - **** meeee back!!!!
Still utterly satisfied with my Dialled PA.
Blue pig would be worth a look, but I think the old model is pretty much sold out now and the new model has tapered head tube which may not be ideal if you're re-using forks.
I'd like to try a Soul, but it's a good bit pricier - albeit for over a pound less weight.
New pig has 44mm headtube not tapered. Will take any size/shape steerer currently offered using the correct headset cups.
the Sov may well be very good - I've not ridden one - but it looks like a dog.
Put cheap kit on it and it's an ASDA bike!
[Sorry, too much post-ride red...]
Make sure to ride a 140mm hardtail before you decide - it is my considered opinion that most of the time that is too much fork for a hardtail for XC / trail centres unless you are doing big tricks, and a lighter more XC oriented setup is in fact more fun and more ridable for most people.
What about a Sanderson Blitz ?
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Now I've just got rid of my hardtail but that Trans Am is luvverly
I've got a PA. I live in Kent. Let me know if you fancy a go. Best bike I've ridden.
Another vote for a Prince Albert! Used to have a Blue Pig but much prefer this...
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Make sure to ride a 140mm hardtail before you decide - it is my considered opinion that most of the time that is too much fork for a hardtail for XC / trail centres unless you are doing big tricks, and a lighter more XC oriented setup is in fact more fun and more ridable for most people
A 140mm hard tail? At a trail centre? Are you mad? You will probably die! You need a 6" trail bike just to attempt some of the obstacles there! 😉
Personally I ride a PA (in 853 flavour..) so am slightly biased, a mate runs a Cotic Soul which is also very nice (lighter as well). The Evil is a lovely looking bike & I've always wanted one, until I picked it up!
Still want one, however I don't think it'd make a good xc bike compared to the others mentioned, as a 'freeride' or 'downhill' hardtail then yes please!
I ride Bedgebury regularly and my Prince Albert was the worst bike I've ever ridden. Too heavy, angles all wrong and bb way too high. Made for a very unstable time in the tight corners of the singletrack.
Now on an Orange Crush, and much happier. Your welcome to have a go if you like.
"Angles All wrong"
Obtuse and reflex rather than acute??
Ragley Mmmbop all the way. It's as fun as a SC Chameleon (I've owned both bikes) but a bit more stretched out so more comfortable for pedalling all day. Basically it's a lighter version of the blue pig, I'm generally not a fan of steel frames though.
Bearing in mind the riding you describe, I think a lot of the suggestions would be almost as overkill as your Enduro.
I know you said steel, but have you considered the carbon 456? Been blown away by mine and won't go back to steel now.
If it has to be steel, Genesis Altitude and Cotic Soul probably both suitable.
I'm generally not a fan of steel frames though
stone him!
I ride Bedgebury regularly and my Prince Albert was the worst bike I've ever ridden. Too heavy, angles all wrong and bb way too high. Made for a very unstable time in the tight corners of the singletrack.
Now on an Orange Crush, and much happier. Your welcome to have a go if you like.
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Bedgebury is flat. Literally. It's like a big family trail, including the red and (lame) black. I'm there every few weeks, as sadly it's my nearest place. Is there a secret gnarly bit with rocks and drops that I haven't ridden that would require the services of a Crush??!!
stone him!Haha, I had a suspicion that would go down like a lead balloon! I know the ride is a tiny bit better vs alu but don't think it's worth the weight trade-off. Having said that I've briefly test ridden a cotic soul and was quite impressed.
+1 on the PA boriselbrus, in my opinion an odd bike which is too heavy for it's intended use.
Of course Bedgebury is flat; it's in Kent, not the Alps. Don't slag off the black run, it might not be the greatest, but it was built solely by volunteers (inc me), if you don't like it come and join us to build something better. Don't understand why you think a PA is great, but a crush is overkill? Muppet.
Anyway, the PA angles are wrong. The bb is too high and the front emd too low even with high rise bars. With the same build, the crush has a 40mm lower bb and I don't feel like I'm going ovrr the bars all the time.
I have a mk1 pipedream sirius and it's been used for almost everything. they're surprisingly robust, but are also reasonably light and handle very nicely. It's actually currently built up with drops, slicks and rigid forks; but I've had it rigid singlespeed, 130mm suss forks up front and gears, and it rides really well in every guise. It was a great peaks trail bike before I got my Prophet. I'm looking to free it up from its road going shackles as soon as possible, though, because I miss fun local rides on it.
The new one gets very good reviews.
I'd also look at the Ragley Piglet.
ns bikes surge. Has the advantage of not looking like a ladies shopping bike, unlike the Dialled bikes.
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Don't slag off the black run, it might not be the greatest, but it was built solely by volunteers (inc me), if you don't like it come and join us to build something better.
This is a fair point. I will get off my arse and assist. Presumably you are one of the Boars? I'll look on their website for the next dig day.
Muppet.
This however isn't a fair point.
I don't feel like I'm going ovrr the bars all the time
Is that the fault of the bike or the rider? 😉