But they'll have bribed the experts, have secret film of illicit liaisons with Giro podium girls, and have twisted them all into lawyerly knots to write the reports they wanted.
#tjknows
Certainly makes you think.
but it is simply not plausible he got this high reading from normal salbutomol dosing
Clearly you know more than WADA. Perhaps there’s a career opening for you?
"We are all waiting for your public apology for slandering Froome."
TJ can say what he likes.
Your repeated calls for a public apology just sound rather childish & you do yourself no favours..
I hate to change the tone of this thread, but I just want to say - without starting another thread - that I am over the moon that Froome has bene exonerated.
I know he gets mocked, but I have enjoyed watching him race since he led Wiggins in 2012, and was of the strong opinion that the suspicion he was under of abusing his Salbutamol TUE simply made no sense.
Anyway, as you were.
But hey, you’ve an agenda so crack on..
Hi kettle, meet Mr Pot. Of all the posters on threads around Froome's woes, you've been one of the most forcible voices in the guilty camp, so much so that you got a warning last time we discussed this.
I'd heed your own advice if I were you.
I’d like to see Hinault’s face now. I bet he’s not a happy camper
Could be some interesting body language on the podiums.
"Because its an obvious cop out of cheating – yes I have read everything I can find on it and hopefully more can come out but it is simply not plausible he got this high reading from normal salbutomol dosing."
What have you read regarding chronic inhaler use at the maximum permitted dose of 400ug x 4/day under dehydrated endurance competition conditions? Please provide the PUBMED link, as I did not find anything of interest.
I'm pleased to see Froome cleared.
But perhaps we should have a TdeF for riders who are fit and healthy, and a Para-TdeF for all those chronically sick chaps who need loads of medication.
Oh, and a proper TdeF for singlespeeds. 🙂
“I’d heed your own advice if I were you.”
A warning? I don’t recall that, I think you’ve mistaken identity!
I was presenting the other side - you know the evidence against & it was quite compelling.
You wouldn’t know that though as you’re too busy quoting out of context & confusing folks!
🤣
This just goes to further my belief that there is no such thing as clean in sport. Athletes can either pass a drugs test of they cant. Clean doesnt even come into it
Which is the best website for getting all the tour news? (I didn't think this warranted a new thread and I figured all the resident experts would be in here...)
Lots of egg on faces all round ...
It won't make any difference to the reception he gets from the French fans however, the abuse he will get will be horrific. They really are a shameful bunch.
I'm delighted for froome but half of me wishes he just tells the tour to f off and focuses on the other two gts. He's clearly the best rider out there and his non attendance from now on would severely devalue the event.. Won't happen obviously..
@wallop, cyclingnews.com is my usual go to site. Good live text coverage, all the tables, timings, stage maps etc you could want.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tour-de-france/
Also, this - https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/le-tour-de-france-2018-spoilers-inevitable/
A warning? I don’t recall that, I think you’ve mistaken identity!
It was metalheart received the warning. And we've yet to hear from him today. I'll send him a text message. ..
well that was close, he was close to reverting to being Kenyan, now he's in with a chance of winning he can be British again
Froome better wear earplugs and waterproofs for this tour
Castelli are working on something as we debate!
can you imagine being the greatest Tour cyclist of a generation and being worried that spectators will throw piss at you?
must be horrible.
+1 Saxonrider
unfortuantely won’t stop the bitter and twisted brigade arguing about it incessantly for a couple of months.
can you imagine being the greatest Tour cyclist of a generation and being worried that spectators will throw piss at you?
must be horrible.
This is why the leaders jersey is yellow, n'est-ce-pas?
</poirot>
If it was football fans behaving like that then clubs would be punished, matches might be played in closed stadiums and eventually they'd be banned. The UCI should make it clear that the TdF will suffer if there are instances of that.
Would be much better if the UCI simply banned salbutamol altogether.
The line is very blurred indeed between clinical asthma and tortured lungs in an ultra distance event.
For those who need it, it does improve performance, without doubt. But who genuinely needs it..?
+1 Saxonrider. All this bluster and ruminating. None of us should have been aware of any of this. I hope he smashes it to bits ( but think he might have built in lots of fatique during the Giro).
It won’t make any difference to the reception he gets from the French fans however, the abuse he will get will be horrific. They really are a shameful bunch.
Most French people have no particularly negative opinion about Froome beyond perhaps a bit of a finger wag. A lot of their own star riders were popped in the past and for the most part, French fans are pretty well informed and behaved. 99.99% of the people at the roadside are fine, but that still leaves 1400 ****s of a lot of different nationalities.
When you see the vitriol directed at Froome on this forum, I'd imagine it wouldn't take too many 1664s on the Alpe d'Huez before some of our forum regulars would look to lob piss over Froome. Nationality doesn't make people arseholes...
I apologise Mr lebowski, mistaken identity
This just goes to further my belief that there is no such thing as clean in sport.
Course not. I've had two coffees this morning, for example.
Really pleased for him. It's always been obvious (to me) that he's never failed any test, just had an unexpected result which has now been satisfactorily explained. Just hope the fans behave themselves!
Cheers, Sir Flashy of Flashington.
WADA statement here:
Summary of their decision:
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the sample result is not inconsistent with an ingestion of Salbutamol within the permitted maximum inhaled dose;
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an adequate CPKS (controlled pharmacokinetic study) is not practicable; and
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the sample may be considered not to be an AAF.
So they conceded that it was not practicable for Froome to replicate the AAF in the lab (option 1 for a defence) and accepted Sky's explanations for the AAF (defence option 2), which included "a significant increase in dose, over a short period prior to the doping control, in connection with a documented illness; as well as, demonstrated within-subject variability in the excretion of Salbutamol".
To put this decision in some sort of context, it would be interesting to know how many people return AAFs and are cleared in a similar fashion. The only information I could find was in this story:
According to PA’s FOI request, UKAD dealt with 109 adverse analytical findings (AAFs) between January 1, 2015 and December 31, 2017, of which 77 – a little more than 70 per cent – resulted in an anti-doping rule violation (ADRV). More pertinently, the FOI request revealed that although only three of these AAFs were for salbutamol, all three of these cases resulted in an ADRV (Anti-Doping Rule Violation).
UKAD’s stats for the number of AAFs that result in an ADRV are very much in line with those for the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA).
Its last report for 2015, which was published in April 2017 and is the latest available, reveals that during that year there were 244 AAFs in cycling, of which 144 ultimately resulted in an ADRV.
(N.B this is all WADA cycling AAFs, not just Salbutamol)
The WADA testing figures here:
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/2016_anti-doping_testing_figures.pdf
show 6 Salbutamol AAFs in total for 2016. I can't find information about what the outcome was for these cases, and how many resulted in ADRVs.
So the figures suggests that Salbutamol AAFs are relatively rare. If the second hand information reported by Michael Hutchinson from the WADA source (no one has successfully overturned a Salbutamol AAF) is true, then Froome appears to be unusual to have both received a Salbutamol AAF and successfully defended it. The numbers are so small it's difficult to draw much of a conclusion from that, however.
I can't think of any reason why five time TdF winner Hinault would be calling for four time TdF winner Froome to miss the race.
Which is the best website for getting all the tour news?
cyclingnews.com if you ignore the gutter journalism of their innuendo riddled anti-Sky, anti-Brailsford, anti-Froome anti-Wiggins articles
Otherwise velonews.com, inrng.com or dailypeloton.com
+1 Saxonrider too. Really happy Froome can have a crack at making it five (and all the GT titles in a year). He's an inspiring competitor for many reasons. My theory (unsubstantiated) was that the French could see that with some great young talent (Bernal etc) coming up it was now or never for a French winner. Malchance, mes amis!
The UCI should publish anonymised AAF stats annually. The vacuum of information from their side is one of the causes of the hysteria around this.
My theory (unsubstantiated) was that the French could see that with some great young talent (Bernal etc) coming up it was now or never for a French winner. Malchance, mes amis!
I don't think that's the case at all. I don't see how the "French" are involved other than Prudhomme using the rules to stop a rider competing in his race. Other rules allowed Froome to keep racing.
Bardet has more competition than just Froome; it's a pretty deep field this year. Landa as superdomestique last year managed to come second so with "co-leadership" should do well again (although lets be honest, it's going to be a nightmare). Quintana on form is always a threat and is a similar rider to Bardet in that he limits the TT losses as much as possible rather than winning them. Roglic, Porte, Gesink, Mollema, Uran, Nibali, Dumoulin, Zakarin, Fuglsang, Yates and Martin are all genuine top 10 contenders and podium possibilities.
I don't recall a field as packed with talent for some time. There is only Aru missing from the top tier of riders and Sky even has Thomas (if he can stay on) and Bernal (interesting to see how he handles 3 weeks) if Froome breaks himself.
Agree with atlaz, some great riders who seem to be inform for this years race. With or without Froome it'll be a good year, I hope Froome rides though because if he loses it gives more credibility to whoever wins. Its possible that the reduction of team members will have some bearing on how the race goes. Can't wait for it to start.
Which is the best website for getting all the tour news?
Inrng.com or Cyclingtips are the best 2 IMO, and The Tour's official website for more general info. Or here, where I shall be doing the annual daily tour posts, perhaps with (almost) daily Sagan!
In answer to the thread title:
Oh no he's not!
Landa as superdomestique last year managed to come second so with “co-leadership” should do well again (although lets be honest, it’s going to be a nightmare).
He came fourth. Missed the podium by a second. The Movistar thing is interesting, I think you can discount Valverde as an overall contender, but the Quintana / Landa situation has the potential to work really well or get messy if one of them has to ride for the other. under duress and to the detriment of their own chances.
Bernal will be interesting, he looked like a weapon at the Tour of California, proper talented climber.
have sky confirmed Bernal is riding yet? I know it was leaked but yet to hear formal confirmation.
"But they’ll have bribed the experts, have secret film of illicit liaisons with Giro podium girls"
Genuine LOL there. I wish!
I don't think they've named the team, but Bernal's agent has said he's riding and a number of cycling sites have also run with the story including Gazzetta dello Sport I think. So yeah, might be jumping the gun on that one. He's very young, but it'd be fascinating to see how he stacks up against the likes of Quintana, Landa and Porte. And Froome of course. Hope it's not just wishful thinking. He does look like the future for Sky's GC leadership a couple of years down the line. Maybe alongside Tao who's been riding his socks off so far this season and should be in the Vuelta I think.
“I apologise Mr lebowski, mistaken identity”
No drama 👍
