[Closed] Foes Fatty

That does look nice.

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Wow!! That is one pointless bike.

*shakes head*

There was a time when Foes lead, and others followed...

[quote=mikey74 ]Wow!! That is one pointless bike.
How so?

scotroutes = don't try and understand it mate, haters gonna hate and all.

How so?

AS far as I can tell, the advantages of fat bikes are:

1 - Simplicity: There should be little to go wrong out in the middle of nowhere.
2 - The tyres give you plenty of cushioning and grip, so why the need for suspension? (also refer to point 1). Won't the fat tyres prevent the suspension from working efficiently?

It will be effing expensive ($2500 frame only), which also relates back to point 1.

Fattys are a waste of time for 95% of mtbers out there anyway i.e. those who don't go Arctic exploring or live near miles and miles of lovely, sandy beaches.

Needs more piranha skeletons

mikey74 - Member

Bikes [s]Fattys[/s] are a waste of time for 95% of mtbers out there anyway

Everything we do is a waste of time. Wouldn't have it any other way though!

[quote=mikey74 ]

How so?

[b]AS far as I can tell[/b], [s]the advantages of fat bikes are:
1 - Simplicity: There should be little to go wrong out in the middle of nowhere.
2 - The tyres give you plenty of cushioning and grip, so why the need for suspension? (also refer to point 1). Won't the fat tyres prevent the suspension from working efficiently?
It will be effing expensive ($2500 frame only), which also relates back to point 1.
Fattys are a waste of time for 95% of mtbers out there anyway i.e. those who don't go Arctic exploring or live near miles and miles of lovely, sandy beaches.[/s]
You've never ridden a fatbike, have you?

WANT that green jobbie! now who do I have to kill? 😆

That's cool cos I want the red one!

Having fun is a waste of time. Everyone knows that.

mikey74 is correct, but that wont stop him from being left on his own in a car park, muttering to himself whilst everyone else cycles off into the distance having a great waste of time.

I've ridden a few fat bikes and I have to agree with everything mikey74 says.

Like a girl with three titties - the reality is much less appealing than the fantasy.

It really intrigues me why folk have to put fat bikes down.

They may not be for you, but why put others off?

I'be never ridden a fat bike but that looks like great fun. Who cares if it's pointless or not . Most cars are pointless but people still spend thousands on them.

it does smack a bit of "lets make a full suspension cross bike ? err isn't that just a....."

2 - The tyres give you plenty of cushioning and grip, so why the need for suspension? (also refer to point 1). Won't the fat tyres prevent the suspension from working efficiently?

True up to the point when you hit the Rocky section at speed & realise the "suspension" in the tyres is undamped & you boingy all over the place. Suspension f&r would control this, so best of all worlds on a FS fat bike

[i]the "suspension" in the tyres is undamped & you boingy all over the place[/i]

I find this too - the Poing Effect.

It's quite easy to hit stuff fast, like roots across a corner, and you just ping off at unpredictable angles. You get the same on a rigid 'normal' bike but I find I'm often going faster on the fatty and also the poing effect is bigger due to tyre volume.

Still don't understand why no tyre companies seem to be going after damped rubber fatbike tyres- I thought schwalbe would since they've made a lot of noise about that for normal tyres, seems like it'd be most useful on a fatty. Maybe it's too heavy or something? Kenda have the knowhow too but maybe John Tomac doesn't like being called fat.

cynic-al - Member

 It really intrigues me why folk have to put fat bikes down.They may not be for you, but why put others off?

Isn't personal opinion the whole point of a forum?

To me a bike is about fun and the most fun I've had in ages is on my fatty. The speeds have probably dropped but I'm no world class rider anyway. I just have to look at mine and a grin starts. It's not to replace any other bike but what it does is make me giggle like an idiot.

I'll have the green, thanks.

Did an XC race on a fatbike at the weekend. I came lower midfield as opposed to upper midfield on the same track before christmas (on a SS rigid).

I'm a reluctant FB rider and only got sucked in by the OO 20% discount code but now must admit that its more fun riding a pink tyred fatty than a rigid SS in a cross country race, up a mountain (Pen-y-fan) and along a beach (Saunton sands)

In face though its probably a bit of new-bike-itus the fatty is currently the go to bike. Thats unless i'm riding with other non-fattists who expect me to keep up!

The 4" of suspension offered by the tyres is total rubbish at speed, you just bounce, at climbing mountains/dunes in granny ring crawl its awesome.

As for the Foes one above, looks fun but i think i'll save suspension for the proper bike.

To me a bike is about fun and the most fun I've had in ages is on my fatty. The speeds have probably dropped but I'm no world class rider anyway. I just have to look at mine and a grin starts. It's not to replace any other bike but what it does is make me giggle like an idiot.

You've never ridden a fatbike, have you?

Of course he's not!

I just have to look at mine and a grin starts. It's not to replace any other bike but what it does is make me giggle like an idiot.

This is fatbikes ot a T!

After years of chasing progresively more expensive bikes with better dampers, stickier tyres, more ground clerance, lighter, slacker angles and all round more gnarrr. All in aid of getting round a vaguely circualar loop a little bit faster. Fatbikes are like statting again, only better, stop worrying about tyre compounds and damping rates and start worrying about how to keep the flies out of your mouth due to the permenant shit eating grin on your face rather than the #enduro gurn.

Suspension fatbikes will just make more tracks more fun.

bikeneil - Member

cynic-al - Member
It really intrigues me why folk have to put fat bikes down.They may not be for you, but why put others off?

Isn't personal opinion the whole point of a forum?

Of course - but saying "that thing you like is shit (oh I've not tried it)" is something different, just reveals when you had your last shag mate!

Been riding a fat bike since May and love it - really really good fun

Simplicity and lots of smiles per mile, but I can't go mental on proper rough stuff as the rims are expensive and have taken a beating

I'm therefore getting very curious about how suspension will change things

I could start running the tyres at 15psi + and let the suspension do the work - they'll be less drag, less rimdinging and still lots of grip - so still lots of fun

For this reason, it think the Foes, Salsa & the Turner look very exciting - yes - its another 'standard' - but the industry loves that for the revenue it creates

One thing which does bother me though is how i'm going to use it on Uplift services 🙁

[To me a bike is about fun and the most fun I've had in ages is on my fatty. The speeds have probably dropped but I'm no world class rider anyway. I just have to look at mine and a grin starts. It's not to replace any other bike but what it does is make me giggle like an idiot.]

This

TBH.
It looks a bit shit to me too.
No murdered out option?
FFS what are they thinking.

I just liek looking at fatbikes, they look ace, but I couldn't actually imagine buying one outside of a lottery win situation where I'd probably have three or four of them in a giant shed.

Found myself nodding along in agreement with this article, though.

http://nsmb.com/bike-companies-killed-fat-bike/

I think the final video on that link wraps it up pretty well

I've ridden loads of fat bikes.
I want a full sus fat bike as I reckon it'd be brilliant. 'suspension from big fat tyres' is rubbish. At times I've found it to be quite dangerous.

love my fatbike over everything else 29er 26 i have
if you dont like them just skip anything that has fat or fattie in the title. get a little fed up with the sad people who find a need to piss on my fire becouse i enjoy something they do not
you miss the point in thinking they are for snow or sand they can do everthing a 29er or 26 can in many cases a whole lot better
im hanging on for a 180mm rear 200 up front what a toy that could be
someone in the states has polished up one of those mutz and looks lush but a foes can only be in red so im off to see if i can get one

I have absolutely no desire to own a fatbike ever (Yes, I have ridden plenty).. but this thing actually makes a lot more sense to me than the general touring bike style rigid, steel framed rubbish everyone raves about.
Why crawl around climbing un-climbable climbs on your massive grippy low pressure conformable tyres when the second you point it down something rocky/rough it becomes an uncontrollable terrible handling spacehopper-like mess?

im hanging on for a 180mm rear 200 up front what a toy that could be

why hang on?

plenty older DH forks can take a 3.7" tyre easily and plenty older DH frames will run a 3" tyre. they're stupidly cheap S/H too.

The future is 2004 😉

Found myself nodding along in agreement with this article, though.

I don't.

That's like saying every time you see an 'edit' of a bike with 2.3" tires you think the makers are killing the market for those bikes because 90% of them won't be doing a triple backflip off a 30ft drop either.

If anything I'd use my fatbike less for bikepacking/touring than my hardtail, it's more about fun than covering big distances or carrying loads, and it actually jumps really well with all that weight down low and spinning in the wheels!

Showerman you have a beargrease to love and cherish!

as the bikes have evolved is it the bike or the rider
rigid got beat in the races by front suss then came fully and started winning
SS also wins so who is going to be the first to win a big race on a Fatbike

Maybe that could be your next big challenge Terrahawk take the Puffer on a fat bike

it actually jumps really well with all that weight down low and spinning in the wheels!

folk who aren't very good at jumping can feel more stable in the air on heavier wheels/tyres though.

I can explain tomorrow why it doesn't "jump really well" in far more detail if you like.

I can explain tomorrow why it doesn't "jump really well" in far more detail if you like.

Don't bother, no one cares

Fat bikes are fun and very easy and forgiving to ride, hence the tide of tubby low skilled blokes riding more slowly than ever whilst screaming look at meeeeeeee. The foes looks ace, but will pobably spend most of its life in the hands of someone who's never going to ride fast, or technical and put six tonnes of crap plastic mud guards all over it whilst biffling aroung llandegla. Fat bike zealots also need to accept that its just another bike, but that gives thier cack skills and poor fitness an acceptable excuse.

I like my fat bike, its ok, it makes me smile, but "over enthusiastic newbie fat bikers" are knobs

"over enthusiastic newbie fat bikers"

yes! how dare someone be enthusiastic about riding and steal the idea from someone who's had a fat bike for ages! 🙄

Fat bikes are fun and very easy and forgiving to ride, hence the tide of tubby low skilled blokes riding more slowly than ever whilst screaming look at meeeeeeee. The foes looks ace, but will pobably spend most of its life in the hands of someone who's never going to ride fast, or technical and put six tonnes of crap plastic mud guards all over it whilst biffling aroung llandegla. Fat bike zealots also need to accept that its just another bike, but that gives thier cack skills and poor fitness an acceptable excuse.

>shopping time for Piemonster

Can't help but chuckle when I see the sad people on here putting negative comments about fat bikes.
It's kind of the same when you watch a youtube video that you think is awesome and the comments section have people like on here making stupid comments about something they have not tried, makes you wonder why theyclicked on the video to start with?

Surely the resaon you even clicked on the thread topic would have been intrigue?
Had my fat bike a few months and it's the most fun I have had in years!

You can slag it off all you want but apart from being a bit slower than folks on their full suss 29ers the grip and control is unmatched, however I must get something to cover my mouth as the constant grinning and laughing lets far too many flies in 🙂

Rocket dog..you missed the "over" bit out of your response...enthusiasm in all riding is ace as riding any bike is bloody brilliant, but the way some folk go on you expect them to then start spouting about not only is it the fastest bestest bike in the world, but that its also cured cancer and solved the middle east issues.

Had my fat bike a few months and it's the most fun I have had in years!

shush, you don't want to upset the pioneers with all that enthusiasm!

"I like my fat bike, its ok, it makes me smile, but "over enthusiastic newbie fat bikers" are knobs"
And the award for the most rediculous comment of the day goes to.......

Awesome! Can I get a trophy and everthing...with extra mud guards on..and bad colour matching...that is Really heavy.....and looks a bit crap? 😉

and RD its nowt to do with "pioneers" if somone was equally ott about their religion you know like an evangelical god botherer, I'd want to stab them as well.

Crikey, someone is actually starting to sound like quite a scary and unstable person! Time to stop talking me thinks.

Tazz does have a point
Some of the fatbikes posted on here look like they've been smeared in glue and ridden through the accessory sale section at Halfords.

lots of bikes look like that on here, not only fat bikes, but who is anyone to condemn any one elses taste.
Tazzy makes me laugh it wasnt that long ago he wanted a fat bike for his 5`3" girlfriend, wonder if he took the p**s out of her too

So what your saying is if a lovely new 29er had a halfords seat bag, halfords bar grips, and halfords own brand tyres on then every 29er on he planet is crap?

lots of bikes look like that on here

Lester: I feel sorry for her if she does get a fat bike, over enthusiastic newbie fat bikers are not welcome on here.

Lester..yep she has a small pug and no strangely I don't as she rides a fat bike but doesn't go on about it being the best thing in the whole wide world....but thanks for trying to make a more personal attack? My young son rides a fatty as well...want to bring him into it? And strangely even a nine year old who loves his bike to bits..doesn't want to put half of halfords on it and then add spokey dokeys.. (although that would be ace)

So, back to the original plot line. .the foes looks ace and in the right hands it will be an awesome bike, its nice to see bikes being developed and something bit more interesting than wheel size changes coming from the bike industry, zealots are still knobs though 😀

"I've not said that have I" Kind of mate, if you mentioned fat bikes in a collective sense then it may of sounded better, but it sounded like you said only fatbikes are tarted up bad looking bikes that's all 🙂

What I said was

Some of the fatbikes

only fatbikes

Mine looks teh awsumz.
It's still just a bike though. 😉

id agree that the ginormous wheels and the rim tape showing through the cut outs can be very very bright, but id say the rest of the stuff done to fat bikes isnt that much more than is done to other types of bike.
but having said that
nearly everyone who has ridden a fat bike, whatever skill level they are, has said how much fun it is, so maybe, just maybe there is something in it.
as the saying goes
fat-bikes are like fat-birds,they are ok till your mates see you riding one 🙂
personally i wouldnt like to ride a space-frame, but i have no idea why

Tazzy
you made it personal when you said tubby newbies with no skill lol 🙂

it wasnt a personal attack on your girlfriend, it was a comment on your mindset, slagging off people who wanted fat bikes when you wanted one yourself, it did seem rather strange.
unreserved apologies and no offence meant to your girlfriend, but i suggest you take it with a smile as well as dishing it out 🙂
and i do agree with you zealots are a bit annoying, but why cant you be proud and excited about getting anything new you have wanted and then got.
fat bikes are great
so are 26ers
so are 29ers
and id be excited by anything new i got and would want to share the love with fellow single trackers

Lester, I haven't slagged anyone off for wanting one? The phrase was over enthusiatic as in some on here and the fat bike forums and on the trails that are the new Messiah's of fat.

no mindest changes needed..I find overzealous singlspeedies or 29er-ists or OMG THIS BAND IS THE BEST IN WORLD er-ists just as in need of culling from the gene pool.

The fatbike uk champs in march are going to fun as I'll be chasing slow moving fatties with a chainsaw, just to watch their little chubby legs spin their ridiculous low gears that bit faster 😀

and no apologies needed as its all piss take but thanks xx

Your all ****ers

phew im glad thats sorted as i hadnt meant to upset you.

i personally am over enthusiastic as im an older biker and ive found a new lease of bike life since i did a skills day, and i really really do have the biggest grin when im on any bike on any day and any weather, fat bikes included

Maybe a group hug would sort this all out?

[i]Your all **** [/i]

"You're"

hth 😉

wwaswas - Member
Your all ****

"You're"
hth

🙂

 

group hug? nahh
we are all adults, until we get on our bikes, then we are all kids

I can explain tomorrow why it doesn't "jump really well" in far more detail if you like.

Please do. Those grinning, fun loving, fattie goons need that fake smile wiped off their chubby little faces.

[I already know btw - it's all down to numbers and stuff. A fat bike is already 70 funs even when no one is riding it. Jumping (even poorly) starts at 40 funs and can exceed 90 funs if done properly. The maximum funs allowed for any bike is 100 so it's against the law to make a fat bike jump good]

The fatbike universe does seem to have attracted more than its fair share of whingers. The most common complaints are that "they (the media mostly) just don't understand us", followed by "they (the newer manufacturers) are introducing all this technology to fleece us". "They (the longer-established brands) are over-charging us" seems to have dropped off the radar a bit.

As for over-use of accessories many of the first UK Fatbikes seemed to be unable to ride along a beach without looking like they were kitted out for the Iditarod. I reckon we're now just seeing the same variations we see in other wheel-sized bikes.

I can explain tomorrow why it doesn't "jump really well" in far more detail if you like.

Don't bother, I'll probably be out riding my fatbike grinning like a loon over the jumps making motorbike noises safe in the knowlage that I've got an underused BMX in the back of the shed should I ever feel the need to worry about what you think.

I've always felt you get a couple of extra jumps for free if you do any sort of drop to flat on a fat bike.

The rebound from the tyres isn't very well damped so they tend to launch the bike back in the air.

I try to make sure I do the first landing at least vaguely pointing away from any trees, just in case the rebound leap sends me off piste.

As always it's the rider that makes the ride, not the bike. If people spent as much time, effort and cash upgrading their skills rather than pondering the multitude of different kit upgrades or N+1 options then we'd be a nation of riding god's. Me included.

There was a guy at Cannock last Sunday on a 29+ (not sure if they qualify as Fat bikes or not) who looked like he was having a whale of a time. He was hooning round there quicker and more skillfully than the usual crowd of Trail/XC/AM/HT/FS etc. equipped riders out that morning. I'm sure he would have been having just as good a time whatever he was riding.

There is no such thing as crap bikes - only crap riders.

There is no such thing as crap bikes - only crap riders.

There's no such thing as crap riders*, only judgemental people.

*people who can't modulate their rear brake properly on a busy trail excepted.

Euro - classic 🙂

[i]A fat bike is already 70 funs even when no one is riding it. Jumping (even poorly) starts at 40 funs and can exceed 90 funs if done properly. The maximum funs allowed for any bike is 100 so it's against the law to make a fat bike jump good[/i]

This thread, jesus christ...

On the Mutz, does anyone know how much the UK pricing is? (:

Too much to get enthusiastic about 😉