[Closed] Fat person = Lazy person?

prejudices.......looking like I do........ 😆 😆 😆

It's OK Tony. Some of my best friends are fat.

here's another funny image:

If you look at pictures or films from 50+ years ago, there are very few fat people.
As an example, I was watching this recently...

...which features several people sat at drawing boards or doing other relatively inactive jobs, yet they are all thin.

So what's happened in the last 50 years?
Sure, there are less people doing proper manual jobs involving carrying or shoveling, but that doesn't explain it. There have always been office and shop workers.

it it easy to laugh at folk, without knowing why they are like they are.
easiest one of all is to laugh at fat people. life is such.

But getting angry at someone who is trying to take care of your health is OK?

no, of course not.
but telling them in a strong forcefull direct manner is. 😀

easiest one of all is to laugh at fat people. life is such.

especially when there are so many of them rolling around.
it never used to be like that, there was only one fat kid at school, now 1in3 are overweight/obese

it it easy to laugh at folk, without knowing why they are like they are.

Eat less, do more. It really is that simple.

it never used to be like that

and the reason is?

cos people are lazier? (specially fat people)
cos we don't do as much manual labour?
cos junk food is cheaper that healthy food?

Eat less, do more. It really is that simple.

Alcoholics - just drink less
Heroin addicts - just stop taking smack
Depressed people - just cheer up
Anorexics - just eat more

It really is that simple. 🙄

And it's even easier for the vast majority of fat people to make excuses and hide their laziness behind the tiny proportion of fat people who have got some genuine medical problem.

Even if there's only one fat person who has a 'genuine medical problem' but is constantly being harshly judged as being lazy by people like you, does that not make you feel like a bit of a ****?

Just proves that making assumptions is wrong.

[i]Alcoholics - just drink less
Heroin addicts - just stop taking smack[/i]

Is laziness classed as an addiction these days?

Ton; can I ask you what you do in your normal job, and how much/what do you actually eat in a day?

stoffel, you can. I work on a sales counter of a trade warehouse.
and on a normal day I eat,
1 slice brown toast with butter with a coffee
3 scramled eggs or a tin of beans
toms, hummus, and a chicken at lunch
meat and veg or salad for tea, or a huge portion of chickpea chorizo stew.

I would like to add, I did not start this post because I am fat, I am not now, I lost 5 stone on a certain diet.
I am pretty big tho, in stature.
I started the post because of the dr asking me if I was serious saying that I cycled daily. it was quite obvious he though I did not cos I am a big bloke.

imnotverygood - Member

As a point of order. The medic concerned didn't accuse ton of being lazy, he was just sceptical of his stated physical activity level.

i ride at least 60miles a week*, my Doctor is sceptical of my stated physical activity, and i'm a skinny bugger.

(also didn't believe me i said i drink less than 10 units / week - "i'll put down 20")

*not much in the grand scheme of things, but (sadly) enough to astonish most people.

So Ton; you eat a fair bit (although that doesn't seem excessive r paricularly unhealthy), but have a rather sedentary job. And are you still currently losing weight? Has your diet changed significantly from when you were heavier? Do you drink? How much and what?

and a chicken at lunch

Hang on, a whole chicken? 😯

my diet has changed, I used to live on huge carb based meals. I try to not eat many bad carbs now.
I put a few lbs on now, and I can lose them in a week or so quite easily by cutting the carbs to nil.
I do like a drink, this is about 8 pints on a Saturday.

Is laziness classed as an addiction these days?

I would suggest most overweight peoples' relationship to food is fairly similar to an addiction.

Still, I'm sure shouting 'eat less, move more, fatty' louder and louder is the best approach.

I'm not lazy but I am quite large. I ride a lot and run a lot as well as being very active with other hobbies.

Unfortunately my job dictates that I sit behind a desk all day and sometimes all night.

If I don't maintain a very strict diet balance then I get fat.

this is about 8 pints on a Saturday.

Christ. That's a lot of beer. Those calories are going to sit around not getting burned up, then turning to fat.

Little and often,with food. That way, your body uses the energy more efficiently, and stores less fat. Many people stare themselves for ages then eat huge meals, which is bad, because the body naturaly stores more fat in anticipation for the periods you're not eating. And if you used to eat badly, then your body wil still want to store more fat, as it's become conditioned to do so. The older you get, the slower it gets in breaking down fat, so it gets harder to do so. I eat less than I used to, but now put on fat much more easily, as my metabolism has slowed.

you're churning out a good milage, but to burn more fat, you'll need to rie faster. You mentioned somewhere having had heart issues, so this may be very difficult for you. Try to eat sensibly, keep up with the biking, and good luck.

I'm 6ft 110kg so not thin. I work pretty bloody hard all day but in a sedentary role and often do long hours. I was able to commute by bike for a while and got down to about 100kg as I was riding two hours a day 5 days a week - I felt great then, better in every way. If I could do so again I would in a heartbeat. However I have two kids, a wife, home life and things to do when I get in from work and find it hard to do two hours of exercise a day so I'm down to about 6-8 hours a week at best.

My laziness is confined to not being disciplined about my calorie intake and as there is a history of obesity related death in my family it's a worry!

So, how old are you stoffel?

Mid 50s here and no problem with storing/losing fat. I have increased my mileage to circa 200p/w and my problem is eating enough to keep weight on.

I was just gonna add, I am riding between 500 and 800 miles a month now, which as you all know you need fueling to do...so I reckon my diet is working pretty well for me. (cheers idave and solo). 8)

I'm 6ft 110kg so not thin. I work pretty bloody hard all day but in a sedentary role and often do long hours. I was able to commute by bike for a while and got down to about 100kg as I was riding two hours a day 5 days a week - I felt great then, better in every way. If I could do so again I would in a heartbeat. However I have two kids, a wife, home life and things to do when I get in from work and find it hard to do two hours of exercise a day so I'm down to about 6-8 hours a week at best.

My laziness is confined to not being disciplined about my calorie intake and as there is a history of obesity related death in my family it's a worry!

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/were-in-complete-denial-about-our-fat-problem

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/british-people-are-so-fat-you-can-see-them-from-space

My goodness ! Rarely have I read such crap, on one of these threads.

Really? Then Read tese:

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=56254

http://www.****/health/article-53111/Why-eating-little-best.html

http://www.fitnessbeans.com/2011/the-benefits-of-eating-little-often/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/humanbody/truthaboutfood/best/grazingbingeing.shtml

http://www.fi****ch.com/weight-loss/how-eating-more-often-can-help-you-eat-less-437.html

And that's just a few from a lazt google. Plenty of info out there which supports this though.

you've just given someone diagnosed with AF. Advise to "ride faster" in order to burn fat.

I also added: "You mentioned somewhere having had heart issues, so this may be very difficult for you." Would you like to take back your insult?

In actual fact, with regard to the exercise intensity, the reverse is true. The lower the intensity of exercise, the more fat can be burned.

If you ride 10 miles at 10mph, you'll burn a certain amount of calories. If you ride that same 10 miles faster, you'll burn more caloies.

Please do us all a favour and save your advise for yourself !

I will. I'm 44, 'perfect' BMI, blood pressure, heart rate etc. excellent for my age. Stil do competitive sports, swim 3 times a week, ride everywhere I can. No health worries at all. It works for me, so I'll stick with it.

I do like a drink, this is about 8 pints on a Saturday.

Sadly, this is the problem. I have the same problem. I can be thin and miserable or fat and happy. Has no effect on my fitness / BP / RHR , just on BMI.

but to burn more fat, you'll need to ride faster

Not necessarily. Further, yes. Faster, well, that depends on your type 1 / type 2 muscle ratios, which are pretty much determined by inheritance.

Fat shouldn't mean lazy these days. The fact is, if you're working a normal office 9-5 job, you're going to really struggle to outrun a bad diet. An hour on the bike or in the gym might get you through 600 calories. An hour in wetherspoons or similar can easily provide you with 1000-1500 calories of food.

Well done MisterP - you've linked to some articles on Vice magazine.

How about these?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120815174902.htm
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20130828/your-gut-bacteria-may-predict-your-obesity-risk
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8298080.stm
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/758035
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20101011/new-genes-linked-to-obesity-belly-fat
http://www.abdn.ac.uk/news/6187/

For the hard of thinking, this isn't the same as saying people don't have to take personal responsibility - just that it's pretty clear that some people find it a lot harder to stay a healthy weight than others, through no fault of their own.

It really is that simple.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8298080.stm

This is me.
As previously said there has been a lot of shit spouted by idiots on this thread.

iolo, idiots on here will still spout that anyone fat is just lazy. life is such mate... 😀

Well that's bizarre; there was a long, ranting abusive post directed towards me last night, which now seems to have dissapeared. Maybe the author had a change of heaart. Makes my last post seem a bit surreal though.

Not necessarily. Further, yes. Faster, well, that depends on your type 1 / type 2 muscle ratios, which are pretty much determined by inheritance.

There are an awful lot of factors which can influence things,but we all have basically similar skeletons on which to hang our muscles, organs and fat. And I don't know much about genetics, but I do suspect that blaming obesity on genes may, in many cases, be a bit of a cop out. I'd say it's more down to lifestyle and diet patterns over time.

stoffel, I read the latest posts this morning, and though exactly the same. I read all you posts, and the advice was all good.
as for riding faster, I managed 14mph on the canal path this morning. 😆

Being fat does not make you lazy, although laziness may contribute to getting fat,
But if you are fat it is because you are putting too many calories through your face.

Some people can eat like a horse and not put on a pound, others can't so don't, don't do, and then blame your metabolism.

I was lucky enough to be able to stuff face and stay lean , but not anymore.

[i]If you ride 10 miles at 10mph, you'll burn a certain amount of calories. If you ride that same 10 miles faster, you'll burn more caloies.[/i]
Hhmmm. Your logic is hopelessly flawed. However.....

What I find mildly interesting is that STW have removed my entire post. If ever there's been a demonstration of the high handed, prejudiced, discriminating habits of the STW mods. This has got to be it. An entire post removed. I wonder what Edukator would say......