[Closed] FAO doubters

TJ - even when he's right (or not, I don't know or care) he's wrong.

lols at this thread, very entertaining thank you

See now I'm tempted to say

TJs diagram which, Boblo agrees with, looks right to me

Toy's/boblo's/whoever's triangular support P clipped on sounds good, right up to the point the stays/dropout fold under pressure

Lots of people said that - it was the easy answer. Few, if any, had or demonstrated the credentials to back it up.

It's plain guage ti, of a similar guage to stays used on mtbs. They are never butted by the brake boss

You've moved the point of loading considerably. You've changed from a load that would have been shared between 2 stays onto a single stay.

Interesting experiment. Looking forward to MkII.

I think TJ is right about the whole caliper being likely to pivot about the bottom bolt. The long dogbone/spoon needs an additional spur at 90 degrees, or to be one piece, artfully girdered 🙂

When you said you had some cf - I was envisaging cf ribbon, wrapped right round the joint and tube with epoxy to exclude air, not a puddle of black snot. Would that be tidier cosmetically as well as more likely to resist the pushing force from the dogbone/spoon?

Jeez TJ do you expect me to read your posts?

Anyway the calipper didn't clash on the disc - I'd designed in the self-tightening M6 bolt to stop it from doing so 😀

DrDomRob - no cheating, you gota read the thread (see p2 I think)

anotherdeadhero - Member
Interesting experiment. Looking forward to MkII.

When you said you had some cf - I was envisaging cf ribbon, wrapped right round the joint and tube with epoxy to exclude air, not a puddle of black snot.

I's an attempt at the former but I accept it looks like the latter. I'd like to see you do better 😡

I never took you for a hater Andy 🙁

Jeez Al, you're one of the touchiest people i have come across.

Full marks for a) giving it a go and b) posting the results but not everyone is out to get you 😉

mancjon - Member
Jeez Al, you're one of the touchiest people i have come across.

WTF? I've been totally flamed into oblivion here!

Whoa whoa whoa there buddy, I int no hater. I'm sure you'll get it sussed. I just don't want you to grind your face off on some tarmac somewhere.

Re black snot comment - apologies, cannae see it properly int pics.

If this was mleh, you wouldn't be taking it half so personally 😡

[i]WTF? I've been totally flamed into oblivion here![/i]

🙂

Sorry, i mainly meant the last post you made about someone being a hater. Just seemed a little OTT considering it was just an off hand comment about appearance.

A lot of this thread seems to be in good humour to me (TJ bits aside as there is obviously a long running battle going on there)

I'm not actually taking it personally at all, it's mainly a larf, albeit I have some serious points to make.

And tubby there knows full well I am poking fun in a victim type way.

WTF? I've been totally flamed into oblivion here!

Tubby eh? You can shove yer dogbone where the sun don't shine then 😡

Spunkyard a lot of my threads have died on one post lately, this was my last go before the FRB.

ADH only if you help 😀

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Next week on al's bodgeporium:

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Flamed? Haters? Constructive feedback old son. That's all. 😉

TJ's ignoring is exactly as bad as Al's engineering, it's a match made in heaven.

Seriously though, with the right epoxy/prep and a full warp round the stay to stop the peeling, might it not work?

It could be made to work I am sure, just don't think it is the best or easiest way to make it work, your original two triangle design would be more likely to work reliably I think.

Constructive feedback

You mean construction feedback, surely?

Ah hahaha 🙂

Seriously though, with the right epoxy/prep and a full warp round the stay to stop the peeling, might it not work?

If all you do is improve the bond then probably not.

Cheers.

And apologies, TJ we were at odds at the start of the [s]thread[/s] internet and never got back on track.

toys19 - Member
If all you do is improve the bond then probably not.

That and 360 deg. muti-layer wrap.

I should say, I am having second thought about the forks, but I've started them now 😀

given a load of good [b]advoice[/b] which he has ignored

I thought so: TJ's a brummie! Explains it all.

This is the best internet ever!!

Observations:

1) it did look a bit like a spoon
2) someone said Al was a good bloke in real life. He's not, he's a ****.
3) that was never going to work in a bazillion years
4) what you had on there the last time I saw it was much better
5) good on you for filming it!

where's my transfers? Frame builder ain't what they didn't used to be 😡

I think it failed because it was tested in a low stakes situation. You probably lacked the commitment to brake properly. Try it on a steep hill and leave it till late to brake. This will give the bond some time to warm up.

Oooh! film it as well!

I see al's also been upgrading TJ's tandem.

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Errrrmate - safety first, but also cosmetically yuch, esp. on a lovely Ti frame. The commercial solution with the brace that bolts to the brake-stub on the seat stay also looks fairly freaky/fugly to me as well. Could you get a Ti fabricator to weld a neat little Ti brace/plate across both stays, then drill, thread and bolt the caliper to that?

Sorry, I have to comment on this. Please give up on this project - what's the very best outcome? A dodgy bodge that you'll always be worried about. Just not worth it, go for a COTS* solution and enjoy your biking. Oh, and your poor ti frame! If you want to play at engineering then that's brilliant but do it in a safe way.

*Commercial off the shelf

[url= http://vannicholas.com/12/Amazon/bike.aspx ]The answer[/url]

The forks are looking good btw fans 😎

Evenin' mr Al, can I join in the fun too

Seriously though, with the right epoxy/prep and a full warp round the stay to stop the peeling, might it not work?

Is the problem not with the bolt attached to the frame but rather with the bolt attached to the brace (spoon)? If the caliper can rotate round the bolt in the frame then the brace is likely to rotate around the bolt in the caliper. That will then give you a much larger force straight up the brace which will be very difficult to stop 🙁

Is it not possible to make the brace extend down below qthe place it bolts to the caliper so that if it tries to rotate the lower half of the brace will push against the topmof the caliper and stop it? (wishes he had t'internet skilz to draw pics)

yes Rik 😛

Cool. Are we going to see a modified version or is it not worth the hassle? I'm looking for a good distraction to keep me away from the work I have to do for tomorrow

I'll probs re-do it.

I'll post up again when I test the fork before that though 😀

Runs off to find the thread about fork bodging....

cynic-al -

And apologies, TJ we were at odds at the start of the [s]thread[/s] internet and never got back on track.

I'd better apologise for being quite so harsh in my first post then. come out sounding much harsher than intended altho it was intended as a slagging but funnny

I'll post up again when I test the fork

Is a fork really going to be a better solution than the spoon was? Maybe a steak knife is the answer?

I think you have the makings of a good design. You need to find a supplier/ manufacturer who might support you in this venture.

Gluing spoons to your bike, the latest STW niche?

Fitting kitchen equipment to your bike is old hat nicheness

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