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Didzy. Thanks for the (slightly condesceding tbh) compliment but I'm not young. You may be right about the car warranties but OK, you still understand the point.
If it happened to me..... I'd expect to be covered because that's part of buying new - to get the warranty. If Trek are willing out of customer service to extend that to a further owner, well and good but I wouldn't be shouting the odds BEFORE finding that out.
It's a shame to have to resort to dishonesty and in this case it wouldn't be wise.
Hiding behind small print in warranties doesn't negate the fact that the manufacturer produced faulty goods unleashed them on the unsuspecting public and then failed to recall to recall them leaving a dangerous product out there waiting to fail.
We accept too much. Trek should be falling over themselves trying to find these dodgy frames and put them right before someone comes a cropper.
Agreed, they took steps with later models, but what of the frames still out there.......
theotherjonv
sorry to be condescending sir 😉 🙁 i hate to argue on forums, its really quite pathetic
i dont wish to argue, im in the motor trade so have quite a vast knowledge of warranties etc...
anyways, yes i understand the point totally and i can see it from treks side too (slightly), but thats not a wear and tear type crack, especially if they have admitted in the past its a common fault on a certain batch, they should have recalled all those frames from day 1 of knowing about the weak spot, an unsuspecting second owner shouldnt have to foot the bill for a manufacturing error IMO, if it wasnt a known fault then its a bit of a different story. Anyways i hope he gets it sorted as im sure you do, just dont think he should be having to spend a penny with this one.
personally id never buy second hand, but not everyone can do that and so these issues will always arise (something im sure trek to dont want) and certainly something they dont want all over the internet on one of there most popular bikes, im sure something will get sorted, if not then i guess it would put Kal off buying another Trek...
Firstly I didn't buy a 2 year old bike it was 2 months old and used twice!
Secondly if I hadn't started this thread then I wouldn't have found out that it's a known fault due to a design flaw in the welding!
Thirdly I've made a point of saying that im sure trek will sort me out and I've just been honest in my opinion if they did however come up short! WHICH I'M SURE THEY WON'T! how's that wrong?
Have you actually SPOKEN with trek / Trek agent yet? Most (but not all!) of the comments on here are pure conjecture abouth whether Trek will or wont honor the warranty.
The shops and importers will be open, get on the blower....
Thirdly I've made a point of saying that im sure trek will sort me out and I've just been honest in my opinion if they did however come up short! WHICH I'M SURE THEY WON'T! how's that wrong?
Not 'wrong' - just that TrekCol told you how to proceed and how they'd respond [u]before[/u] you started saying what you'd do if they didn't. Hence my advice to not push that point any further until you'd actually read and acted upon his post. That's all.
The rest of it, arguing with people about whether I'm young or not or whether warranties are / should be transferrable - that's STW for you 😳
There is no point in arguing about what " should" be the position.
I think theotherjonv has explained what the position "is" Legal rights as the second owner are rather thin.
Do us a favour KAl... give us EX9 owners a progress report on frame replacement/warrenty result will you as i for one would like to know the outcome. Not sure it would make much difference but Trek are in MK if thats were your from.
I bought my Remedy specifically based on Treks customer service and my LBS service. I know if I have any issues, they will be resolved. If you get offered a new rear end at a subsidised price, then I guess it will be covered for ever to you as the original owner....
When you buy a second hand bike/frame etc, you always factor in regardless of the condition age, the fact that you don't really know the bikes history and that it could be a dud for whatever reason, that's why even '2 rides old' second hand bikes have a price well below the RRP. YOU KNOW THE FACTS AND TAKE THE CHOICE.
I presume by now you have been into said LBS?
[i]I think theotherjonv has explained what the position "is" Legal rights as the second owner are rather thin. [/i]
and TrekCol has given a pretty clear indication of what the importers view of the situation is and explained exactly what to do to achieve the outcome that the OP wants.
so why is everyone arguing then?
isnt there a thread about romany bashing or dog walking to go argue on?
I am on my second Remedy frame and 3rd Rear wheel all under warranty from Trek via LBS. Its already been said but be honest and get your LBS to fight your corner and I am sure Trek will sort something. My partner has a Trek EX8 09 model and no issues but I would buy Trek again just for their brilliant warranty, oh and the bikes are awesome!!!
Good luck
Kal - MemberCorleys didn't bat an eyelid eyelid an when I rang them!
if you have a video phone, you have enough cash to purchase a subidised rear end!
[i]so why is everyone arguing then?[/i]
are you new here? 😉
I wonder if anyone in the Trek distributors/importers visit STW.
You haven't read the whole thread have you Hora? 😉
The overuse of '!!' on the first page hurt my eyes too much.
If I sold a frame to a mate I'd be inclined to help him out- I'll be honest on that. If it was someone I didn't know. Not a chance.
I wouldn't buy a bike a bike off of you then!! I'd always help someone out than see a huge company like Trek, who should have recalled in the first place, screw over a fellow mtb'er.
aaaaarrrggghhhhh!
No one is being 'screwed over'.
Someone who works for Trek has posted on this thread (there's a clue in his name '[i]TrekCol[/i]') and told the OP exactly what to do to get the matter resolved.
I wouldn't buy a bike 'off of' anyone.
No. Sorry. If you have that attitude then why not screw over credit card companies 'as they can afford it'?
How do you know how the subsequent owner treats the product, maybe it was dropped from a moving car? Maybe the rider is under-biked?
At what point do you stop passing on the receipt for the 'lifetime of the original owner warranty'?
Its not black and white but I don't agree with 'fellow m'tber'.
I'm with Hora here I must admit. I'm not saying I wouldn't help someone out, but if they came back to me, having bought a bike 4 years ago, it was obviously trashed, and asked me to claim on the warranty, they can sod off!
My advice would be - don't post on a forum, and go speak to the Corley's/Trek to get as speedy solution as is possible.
The End.
Sometimes importers can be really helpful.
Some of 'them' have ridiculous part costs for a rear triangle.
Who was it now that wanted almost the cost of a normal frame for a rear triangle? Begins with an 'E'? 🙄
Guys, i would like to add an additional comment. I do work for Trek, i am their warranty man
I have quoted Phil corleys a very favourable price for a replacement part. As the original poster has been honest and let people know he is not the original owner, Trek has no contract with him to supply a free of charge part. Obviously Phil Corleys will also charge a nominal profit related mark up for the part and possibly labour to install- after all they made no profit from the second hand purchase and they are a business who wants to make money!
The failure rate on the specific area concerned was tiny (less than 0.5%) so yes, we have seen some fail. These failures were resolved with free of charge replacements to original owners. The second hand owners are taken care of with very cheap replacement parts. Trek and Trek dealers final aim is to support Trek owners with good, if not great, service. If parts fail and the failure is covered by the warranty terms and conditions supplied by the shop, then free of charge parts are supplied. If parts need replacing that are not covered by the warranty terms and conditions, we will offer favourable prices wherever possible.
Thanks for all the comments, may i suggest the original poster discusses his options with Corleys and report back when his EX9 is up and running again?
Trek Col
Well said TrekCol
Can we just have a slanging match instead?
Hora...
nah....only on a Friday! ha ha
hora - Member
Sometimes importers can be really helpful.Some of 'them' have ridiculous part costs for a rear triangle.
Who was it now that wanted almost the cost of a normal frame for a rear triangle? Begins with an 'E'?
Freeborn and Ellsworth?
Let me have another double-espresso and I'm ready to foight!
I have a sh Heckler. The UK importers refused to sell me a swingarm! SC in the US didn't.
should have got a Trek. their customer service is second to none, apparently.
Can't say fairer than that people! (TrekCol)..... and while you're at it I would recommend replacing all of the bearings, I did this with my EX aftr about a year and it made such a difference, it is surprising how much abuse they take with a few wet rides, with the new bearings everything was super buttery!
regardless of owners, if where it has snapped is a known fault and a manufacturing error on the weld - then surely it should be replaced free of charge regardless??????
bit of a kop out if you ask me that one.
if it was a fresh claim with no history of a failure in that specific breakage place then id be with you 10000000%, however its a known fault on this exact bike. It should have been recalled and replaced instead of waiting for it to 'break'.
my 2p's worth which will no doubt get a good old slagging off 😆
[i]my 2p's worth which will no doubt get a good old slagging off[/i]
I would but I don't want to sap my will to live any further...
Where do you draw the line Didzy? Say a 4th hand frame breaks after 8 years, and Trek have no spare stays - should they replace with a new frame FOC?
My post may have been biased because i don't like Trek's full stop, however imo even if the failure rate was 0.1% with the number of units sold i expect that runs to quite a few bikes, and it could have serious, possibly even fatal consequenses so in my book trek are still negligent and irresponsible and put profits over people, hence why i don't like Treks, although it's deeper than that.
Bazz - I think you'd struggle to buy a bike if you expected a lifetime 'any owner' no-quibble warranty.
My 2p - Trek have been more than reasonable and if you buy 2nd hand/grey import then warranty is one of the things you don't get.
i get the point guys totally - 8 years is a bit ott and i wouldnt expect anything even a discount if it were that old even if it was my fault really, id be very lucky.....
the original poster says it was 2 months old when he had it, and the model is only recent too....meaning its not old, however the fault was on the bike from day one, not the fault of the owner(s), the bike therefore should have been recalled as a safety issue.....imagine if the original owner had crashed and died due to this manufacturing error - it opens a whole can of worms.....say the second owner does the same and hes not eligible for anything just because hes the second owner....just stating its the bike thats the problem, not the owner in this case and this case only.
if the bike was not known to have any errors then the guy wouldnt have a leg to stand on, but it does and that should be rectified FOC imo regardless...
i get your point on drawing the line totally, but each case has its own merits and this was a pretty new bike..so for me it should be sorted...
What are we arguing about now?
So if I had a VW and 5yrs down the line I found it either:
A porous head
Complete ECU failure
Turbo failure
(another numerous part on those bloody VW's).
All well known VW manufacturers defect what would VW say? **** off and give us 2k to fix? 🙄
no hora because 5 years it would be out of warranty with VW, but it still negates the point that manufacturers get away with shoddy parts/ workmanship so id be pissed off it that was the case anyways personally. you dont scrap a VW after 3 years warranty, so why the hell should the parts fall to bits??!?!?! answer - they shouldnt, but they do, and then they rip you off for parts etc etc!
the bike has a warranty is my point, just as its a different owner doesnt change the fact it snapped, it could have happened to the original owner - what difference does it make? it still did it??? why shouldnt it be fixed?? its not 8 years old, it was near brand new and had this fault known from day 1, therefore it should have been recalled as a safety issue.
whats the worst that can happen if that frame snapped whilst you were going downhill at speed?? broken neck? broken leg? arm? death??? who knows, i wouldnt like to find out though....
wwaswas- i never said i expected those things, i do expect that a manafacturer as big as trek, who know they have a faulty product being ridden hard down rocky mountains to do all they can to pull them and replace them whoever owns it at the time, their cock up, their job to fix it.
and it could have serious, possibly even fatal consequenses
Don't be daft, it's a seat stay FFS! Head tube/steerer/pedal axle maybe, but that's not gonna have any disastrous effects.
As has been said by several folk Trek make no money on a second hand purchase, why should they back it up FOC?
im with ya bazz, glad its not just me 😆
if people have the money to not need to question a snap like that and try and get it done free then you have more money than sense, i know id be disappointed if trek made me pay for this exact scenario......
but we're all different, and unless it happens to you then you dont know what you'd try to do and react to getting it sorted...i know i would try and claim and be most annoyed if i didnt suceed, it would put me off buying a trek again for life, not just trek but anyone really....
if it was my fault then hands up.....and new bike it is...
im not doubting trek are in the right, as thats their policy, just think its wrong personally, but thats fair enough...
forums were meant for disagreements right?!?!