[Closed] e-Bikers

Yawn

Electric air horns

Where's the line?

My assumption is that a load of new people are just about to hit the sport who would otherwise do something else

A lot of waffle and bollox often follows an incorrect assumption.
I see this is no different.

Depends, i wouldn't let a 400w past me but probably would if it was 500w

I foresee a lot more neds/dossers/scallys on the trails in trail centres with no idea how to conduct themselves.

@op of course you should get out of their way, don't be a dick!
how well you tell what they're riding when you're riding in front, moving at speed?

Fragile ego alert...

Jekkyl,

It is true that the traffic is mostly likely to be at the TCs so in theory they will continue to do their fly paper work.

But why should you let someone through? You've earned the descent.

No fragile ego, just a question of values. Just wondering what the ettiquette is likely to be for a new 'innovation' and slightly bored of going over my citations of my Masters work.

So thought I would hang out with you lot for a while and muse over something. Think of it as a pub question...

that's why your here no?

You tried so hard [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/chasing-an-e-bike-at-swinley-today-blimey/page/3 ]so hard to get attention on the other thread[/url] but went relatively unnoticed so fair go for trying again, and for dropping in the select quote [i]"slightly bored of going over my citations of my Masters work."[/i]

Mods - please can we have another forum for pointless moans about ebikes?

Pretty please?

I don't spend so much time on here. To be honest, I was speaking to a mate earlier and we simply wondered what the ettiquette was.

remember you don't have to engage...

I'm nearly done with my citations: 'It’s not just because it’s flat: a social practice evaluation of Dutch and British behavioural change approaches to cycling'

And am sure that I'll find some more interesting stuff to do, like my children waking up or something.

If someone is faster than you they will get past you. It doesn't matter what bicycle they are riding.

Faster moving rider on any bike? Move aside slow coach.

Faster moving rider on ebike making motor bike noises..brap..brap.. move out of the way luddite!

Do road cycling forums have lots of debates about e-bikes and, en masse, condemn people who are sceptical about them as 'haters'?

Do road cycling forums have lots of debates about e-bikes and, en masse, condemn people who are sceptical about them as 'haters'?

Unlikely, as I suspect most roadies wouldn't want to ruin the lines of their carbon wonder-bike with a lumpy battery.

I'm firmly in the sceptical camp, and have been on record with my opinions more than once 😉 on the other hand if they stick to doing loops of TCs, then leave em to it.
The same can be said for a lot of ATGNI riders though. If you're happy to ride your £4000+ carbon Santa Cruz round the blue and red at a TC, but probably never venture in to the actual 'wild', then feel free. Just missing the point a bit is all.

Workmate of mine (very fit lad) caught an ebiker up at Cwmcarn on Sunday - wasn't hard, the fat Welsh lad riding it had come off on an innocuous root and was too busy shouting and kicking his bike to notice he was holding up people behind him.

Don't know if I'm a hater but a bit sceptical. My heart is in the pure side of riding, I feel similar about TCs (but for Christ sake don't intend to start that one now!).

TBH I only saw an MTB version of one a couple of weeks ago at Temple Meads, guy was going to BPW. I don't read the mags and have young children so tend to ride Mendips and Quantocks very early in the mornings.

I'm really wondering how they fit into the ecology of the sport. I certainly don't fancy having a good ride interupted by huge numbers of people having them but like the above poster, probably see most people using them at TCs which we except is a representation of the human zoo.

Thing for me and forums such as this is I'm normally behind the curve. whenever I endeavour to start a conversation, it normally seems per se by the time it's hit my radar

Don't feel bad the haters of self propelled bicycles on here are numerous, much like ignorant brexiteers.

I've seen plenty at TCs, but have only seen one in the actual 'wild' as it were.
I passed a guy on one on Woodbury Common a while ago, and we had a chat before we went in different directions. He'd bought his as he had been a keen roadie, but had had a heart attack a couple of years ago, and was trying to stay cycling, but couldn't over exert himself too much.
I'm totally down with that kind of use. Fat biffas who can't be arsed to put in the effort to get fit less so!

Don't feel bad the haters of self propelled bicycles on here are numerous, much like ignorant brexiteers

But, but....I'm a remoaner, and also an ebike hater. I feel so conflicted!

.....probably see most people using them at TCs which we [b][u]except[/u][/b] is a representation of the human zoo.

Thing for me and forums such as this is I'm normally behind the curve. whenever I endeavour to start a conversation, it normally seems [b][u]per se[/u][/b] by the time it's hit my radar

Masters degree, really 😉

Fat biffas who can't be arsed to put in the effort to get fit less so! 😆
That got me that did.

But is he a hater - or somebody who loves cycling enough to want to practise and improve in his own right, rather than engaging an engine to do it? Just asking, like.

Dyslexia...we're more fun

Girls aren't attracted to pedants

Or trolls.

Dyslexia

Everyone who uses the wrong words for things (but spells them all perfectly) says dyslexia.

Not a hater, just something I've noticed.

No, they love trolls. Talk shit to the computer, not them...

Dyslexia...we're more fun

Girls aren't attracted to pedants

Did you mean pedants? Or pendants?
Your spell checked dyslexia is confusing... Some girls do like a nice pendant.

As for the topic?
E-bikes... Meh, this subject has definitely Been done to death now, one might even call it [i]passé[/i]...

The ettiquette I think is 'don't be a dick' so I'd move over for the biker behind if they're catching me up.
I'd probably only spot whether they're on an ebike or SS or a tourer as they pass so the only difference might be whether they get a cheering-on as they go.

As for the topic?
E-bikes... Meh, this subject has definitely Been done to death now, one might even call it passé...

I don't think the ebikes topic is passé per se, there's still some mileage in it. We just need to all except each other's choice, accept trolls of course, not them.

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an e bike that is leagal is only quicker on climbs - on DH its slower as the electric boost stops at 15 mph and while the extra weight makes it roll quicker downhill the extra weight also spoils the handling

while the extra weight makes it roll quicker downhill the extra weight also spoils the handling

Would depend entirely on the type of descent IMO TJ.

the extra weight makes it roll quicker downhill

It might roll over obstacles better because it has more momentum, but it won't actually accelerate downhill any faster.

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Do road cycling forums have lots of debates about e-bikes and, en masse, condemn people who are sceptical about them as 'haters'?

No, because eBikes are far too slow on the road to be an issue - I've never even seen one when I've been on a club ride.

I've heard a few in my club call them cheating, but have seen the point when I've explained that they're a great way for people to get riding when otherwise they wouldn't be able to due to health or age issues.

hols - actually as wind resistance stays the same but weight ie force pushing it downhill is greater you do build up speed more quickly downhill - obviously the effect is only significant at speed

I'm convinced that all the hating is just people on the net trolling.
Anyone I've spoken to in the real world thinks they are brilliant.
I have one, its great because it lets me get out etc.
Legally, its a bicycle.
It doesn't 'ride' the same as a normal bike, it's definitely not quite as responsive.
As for the OP, I'd say don't worry about e bikes, if some **** has bought one and is treating it like a motorbike
(ie: turning the power up to turbo and making the motor do all the work)
They wont be going far from the car park like that (battery range)
If they are riding it with the intention of getting out and enjoying the day, they wont be going any faster anyway, so don't sweat it

actually as wind resistance stays the same but weight ie force pushing it downhill is greater you do build up speed more quickly downhill - obviously the effect is only significant at speed

If you were racing down a ski slope, it might be measurable, but I don't believe that the average rider would notice any difference in acceleration coasting downhill offroad. What would probably make a bigger difference coasting downhill is that an e-bike would let you run bigger tyres at lower pressure without suffering too much on the climbs.

Its pretty obvious when you ride one Hols.

Having ridden ebikes off road for quite a bit, tjagain is spot on.

They don't descend as well as a normal bike, in my experience.

Weight, weight distribution and what I think is down to the wider bottom bracket width. Haven't measured the bb width, but the Q factor feels wider.

All adds up to a less nimble bike in my experience, not terrible but not as good.

Also needs a fair bit of stopping once up at speed. Yep, I know there are downhill bikes that weight about the same, but they do feel different.