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the point I made about splitting the MTB community?
What have you got to do with the MTB community?
Tell us again what MTB's you own or ride?
Tell us how many MTB trails you build or help to maintain?
Tell us again how only unfit fat people like Ebikes?
What on earth does that have to do with the fire risks of lithium-ion batteries
hahahaha. Oh ffs.
This thread (or at least this individual poster) has gone full on batshitmental.
😂😂😂
That’s true but it’s random or within a tolerable range. E-bikes change that systematically though.
Tell us again how you know this as you don't own an MTB or go on any MTB rides?
Really good Sunday night entertainment do go on.
could being caught on a "chipped" ebike on the road result in points on your driving license ?
Well I seem to have stirred the hornets nest 😀
Top trolling from Ryder. He has got loads of bites
Come on rydflat tell us all how you give to this MTB community you're so worried about ebikes destroying.
Or even tell us what MTB you ride as you seem to be avoiding the question...
“Well I seem to have stirred the hornets nest 😀”
You certainly have, if you’re meaning that everyone watching is thinking: “Well, I’m amazed that someone could be so clueless as to do that, he’s going to get stung to **** and end up looking like a complete idiot.”
Top trolling from Ryder. He has got loads of bites
You will get loads of bites spending all that time on canal tow paths.
Certainly barged in on this
@ klunk,
re chipped ebike on road.
yes, if it’s chipped to bypass the speed limiter it is technically an unregistered, uninsured, untaxed motorbike.
so, yes, it could put points on a riders licence.
If you’re considering it, id say don’t bother tbh, legalities aside, it doesn’t improve the bike. The ability to sit at 25mph gets boring pretty quickly and it eats the battery like nobody’s business.
Mine is switchable, so I’m legal on road, but im not gonna bother doing it to the next one.
So if an unrestricted ebike is effectively an electric motorcycle and illegal on the road unless taxed, insured and ridden with a helmet, It must be illegal off-road on a trail centre or bridleway?
Is this an issue or something that is being discussed?
must be illegal off-road on a trail centre or bridleway?
Yes. In the UK at least, unrestricted ebikes are illegal everywhere except private land basically.
I blevo that you can alter when the assist stops at the touch of a button on some bikes.
So if an unrestricted ebike is effectively an electric motorcycle and illegal on the road unless taxed, insured and ridden with a helmet, It must be illegal off-road on a trail centre or bridleway?
Is this an issue or something that is being discussed?
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">I think it would be illegal on road and off-road places where motorbikes could go even if taxed insured etc. as to be legal it would have to comply with the rules about the construction, lighting etc. of motorcycles which it almost certainly wouldn't. </span>
In what sense do you think it is an issue?
I think it would be illegal on road and off-road places where motorbikes could go even if taxed insured etc. as to be legal it would have to comply with the rules about the construction, lighting etc. of motorcycles which it almost certainly wouldn’t.
Not seeing this myself having registered quite a few MX bikes for road use.
Lights are not a legal requirement if the bike doesn't come with them fitted.
It must be illegal off-road on a trail centre or bridleway?
Not allowed by whoever is in custody of the trail or bridleway but not likely illegal (criminalized).
Lights are not a legal requirement if the bike doesn’t come with them fitted.
Yeah but you can only get a daytime MOT.
Mine is switchable, so I’m legal on road, but im not gonna bother doing it to the next one.
It's not legal IIRC to have a switch on it and use it as a bicycle, unless they changed the law recently. If it has a switch it is treated like a motorbike by the law.
In what sense do you think it is an issue?
I was asking if it is not saying it is.
I guess it could be an issue in some circumstances and it depends what organisations such as NRW and the FC decide as ebikes become more common and the technology matures.
I take it owners are charging them in a massive tin, like what they are meant to for the batteries of their lights.
Asgard shares must be going through the roof.
like what they are meant to for the batteries of their lights.
Only if you insist on buying dodgy eaby cheap shite lights.
A derestricted e bike would be illegalto use anywhere but on private land with the landowners permission as once it no longer meets the criteria for an e bike it becomes a motorcycle that does not meet regulations.
Yeah but you can only get a daytime MOT.
No such thing. No lights means no indicators either usually. They aren't passed on a "no corners" MOT.
Daytime MOT isn't an official term not but it is a de facto one.
it provides
the legal backing to the simplified
wording used throughout Section 1
of the Inspection Manuals, where
we also state that such vehicles
must not be used at times of
seriously reduced visibility, as this
would clearly be dangerous as well
as illegal.
So in essence the MOT only covers you for riding in good visibility conditions.
I take it owners are charging them in a massive tin, like what they are meant to for the batteries of their lights.
Not as big as the tins electric car owners use though.
You get an MOT. The thing is roadworthy on that date. The fact that it hasn't got lights means that it's dangerous and illegal to ride it at night, or in heavy fog. Nothing to do with the MOT.
In the same way that an MOT for a Reliant Robin is just an MOT. It's not a "roads only" MOT. Everything fitted is tested, and if it passes, it passes. MOT pass has no bearing on the suitability for use in different circumstances. It's still unsuitable and dangerous for taking up and down byways.
And to demonstrate the lack of connection between the MOT and the use: The reliant robin's lights could conk out on the way home from the test centre and it would be illegal to drive in the dark/fog, and the guy on the trials bike could stop in and get road legal lights fitted on the way home from the test centre and be 100% legal to ride at night. MOT is irrelevant to both of these.
Talking about daytime MOT is lazy and reinforces an confused view of what the test is for and what it does.
A bit like your views on ebikes.
Talking about daytime MOT is lazy and reinforces an confused view of what the test is for and what it does.
I think you are splitting hairs a bit. You end up with an MOT with a VT32 advisory saying that no lights were fitted. This can colloquially be known as a daytime MOT. Either way teh bike presented and tested can only be used under conditions of good visibility.
I take it owners are charging them in a massive tin, like what they are meant to for the batteries of their lights
No. Obviously not because I trust a £180 smart charger charger made by Bosch a LOT more than I would trust a set of Chinese crap lights bought off eBay for £10 including delivery.
Call me optomistic if you like 👍
a set of Chinese crap lights bought off eBay for £10 including delivery.
Ooh! Link?
😉
No. Obviously not because I trust a £180 smart charger charger made by Bosch a LOT more than I would trust a set of Chinese crap lights bought off eBay for £10 including delivery.
Call me optomistic if you like 👍
The amount of lithium-ion in lights is much less than in an e-bike battery so the risk is much less but I take your point.
Anyway I used to handle lithium batteries of the order of 20 Ah to 100 Ah with my job years ago. We had to do a lot of training, take special precautions and we had a kit to deal with thermal runway/fire. Granted these operated in much tougher conditions than on an e-bike but I certainly wouldn't be conformable charging or storing the battery itself in my house. There is a reason these objects are restricted on planes these days.
Jesus titty****ing Christ...bites within bites. Amazing what can happen when there's no sarcasm smiley applied.
You really are grasping at straws now rydster. Stop trolling, and get back to the commuting threads, ebike threads attract enough ignorant nonsense without you constantly trolling.
e-bike but I certainly wouldn’t be conformable charging or storing the battery itself in my house.
Don’t buy an ebike then.
or a laptop, or a tablet, or a mobile phone etc
I’m perfectly happy with my decisions though, so you don’t need to worry 👍
Stop trolling
A bit generous I would say. I presume he actually believes this crap. 😳
Jesus titty****ing Christ…bites within bites. Amazing what can happen when there’s no sarcasm smiley applied.
With the level of stupid being displayed on this thread, if you are going to type something stupid and not actually mean it, you do need to make it clearer 👍
In the interest of a balanced thread.
I am fat, and I am lazy and I have bought an Ebike.
I am hoping the above will help me with not...
a) being fat
b) being lazy
I did a 10 mile ride earlier, which is the furthest I have ridden in quite a few years.
Up some bloody steep hills. It's a revelation
They do look a laugh if your in the mood, & I'd probably have one if I could afford one, but I cant see one replacing my regular bike. It's just a different type of bike. Amazed at the depth of feelings on here though, its all biking after all.
Amazed at the depth of feelings on here though, its all biking after all.
Absolutely. I have a 650 Suzuki for when I want to go motorbiking though.
"Yeah I was just trolling. I don’t really care about them TBH but it’s interesting to see the passions they generate."
It isn't passion, it's frustration at real or fake ****wittery. I'm glad I have a sufficiently interesting life that I'd never resort to trolling to avert my boredom...
Invalid carriages have a similar legal standing, however they only require registration. A electric motorcycle would require vosa approval, registration, insurance, mot and a licensed rider.
However, the police turn a blind eye to the invalid carriages as there is a unofficial truce in place over the status of these, and I imagine chipped eebs will get similar treatment.
it will likely be a law change regarding hoverboards, electricscooters, skateboards and other e toys that will determine what happens with eebs, unless something particularly high profile happens.
Yeah I was just trolling.
I know, I’ve seen the bridge you hide under, down by the canal 😉
How many ebike haters drive cars, hmmm?
Hypocrite much????
How many ebike haters drive cars, hmmm?
Hypocrite much????
Only if they are eecars.
Yeah I was just trolling.
Doesn't really matter, You still sound thick either way.
Had a little play on the mobility scooter today, now the Winter slop is on the way it’s even more fun.
Took it off the road gap at Delamere today, it didn’t feel a whole lot different to my Capra, maybe a little more planted and stable on landing as you might expect.