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Ref went to pieces in the last 50 minutes!
EDIT - d'oh wrong forum!
forget whihc commentator said it but strength of a bull pain threshold of a butterfly sums him up
It was a professional dive as that was late on and he wanted to waste time
He's pathetic.
On ITV on of the commentators described his earlier dive as 'clever'...WTF?!
This is a massive hit and I don't think Hodgson is down for as long as Drogba was!
This is where citing for foul play would work in football no contact anywhere near face and went down like he'd been shot. Video review after and ban for 2-3 games would soon help to stop this kind of play acting.
Spoils football and I'm worried it is creeping into rugby now.
Gr8 match and for once Chelsea showed some balls. But Drogba was taking the proverbial and took the gloss off it. I thought he had overcome his addiction to Oscar inspired performances, but obviously not.
I think the Napoli player should be allowed a free punch at Drogba's face prior to the next Chelsea home game - show him what a hit to the face really feels like!
I like football, but this face stuff really pees me off.
That rugby tackle is immense.
Its like he ran into a brick wall !
This is where citing for foul play would work in football no contact anywhere near face and went down like he'd been shot. Video review after and ban for 2-3 games would soon help to stop this kind of play acting.Spoils football and I'm worried it is creeping into rugby now.
Agreed on both points.
He's no Busquests...
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2 years ago? Wow.
Drogba like the vast majority of modern footballers are and always will be cheats. It is the modern game l am afraid. Rugby style refs would help cllean up the game. God help us when they bring in video tech, people like Alex Ferguson will question every call,offside and tackle
Drogba like the vast majority of modern footballers are and always will be cheats
Oof! I know it's only March, but that might be contender for sweeping generalisation of the year.
*places bet*
God help us when they bring in video tech, people like Alex Ferguson will question every call,offside and tackle
Just limit the number of appeals a team can make, like cricket. If there was a video official last night, in the time it took to get the free kick setup (while Drogba was still on the floor), they could have reviewed and told the ref to book Drogba for diving and give the free kick to Napoli.
Rugby uses video cleverly. It can only be used for certain decisions (Mainly relating to scoring of tries). Soccer could and should do the same.
Diving should be cited after the fact, I think, as it [i]could[/i] be a real fall. OK, so anyone with that level of theatrics should be tarred and feathered, obviously, but you get the idea! 😉
Give each coach a few "challenges" per match, like tennis & cricket players get
They can force a video review for any incident and carry on doing so until they've lost, say 2 per half. If it's in open play, ref plays something like the advantage rule in rugby until the current "play" can be stopped without affecting a major opportunity
(edit: i.e. wot lifer said 😳 )
If a player is diving on the video, give the same free kick/penalty but at the other end of the pitch
Even worse than the dive (for me) was the commentator describing it as 'clever play from Drogba'.
But it was ITV.
Trouble is rugby players /coaches respect the ref and the rules of the game,you do not see players tell the ref to **** off or god forbid touch a ref,every game occurance in football
andyruss - put a microphone on the refs and let it play to broadcast
warn the clubs at least a month before that it'll happen, give the managers tapes of the audio recorded in the month before and then just let it go out and fine/ban the players on disrepute charges
scaredypants +1
Scaredypants l agree with you
Scaredy +Many.
Then, only the captains speak to the ref, and any dissent to the ref? Yellow Card. But, change a yellow card to the rugby version. 10 minutes in the cooler. That would very soon stop the horrid sight of players mobbing the ref.
This is a massive hit and I don't think Hodgson is down for as long as Drogba was!
Not really the point though, loads of stuff happens in rugby to 'bend' the rules, including time wasting.
Im sure you could find some pretty tough tackles that footballers have got up from?
andyruss - Member
Trouble is rugby players /coaches respect the ref and the rules of the game,you do not see players tell the ref to * off or god forbid touch a ref,every game occurance in football
Rugby ref to front row forward - "please watch your binding"....prop "yes, [b]sir[/b]!"
Football ref to forward - "yes, I agree with my official that was not a penalty'.....forward " you are a * ***!"
CFH +as many as I can
Yellow card for dissent, red for swearing (even in Latam spanish!!!) and sin bins for Joey 😉
Thing is, dissent should already get a yellow card, as should abusing an official, foul language, foul play etc etc. They're just not enforced as that would, apparently, take the 'passion' out of the game.
Spoils football and I'm worried it is creeping into rugby now.
Trouble is rugby players /coaches respect the ref and the rules of the game,
Complete and utter twaddle, rugby fans view their game through the rosiest tinted glasses available, it is a game of thuggery and violence and cheating is institutionalised in the game. The "respect" for the referee is just a veneer hiding what a nasty game it really is.
Embarrassingly for Chelsea, Drogba is no longer their biggest diver. Torres has been ridiculous of late! Since he knows the only way he's ever going to stand a chance of scoring is from the resulting penalty, once he's hurled himself to the floor. 24 hours on the pitch, and counting..... 😀
MSP you misunderstand ( :wink:) rugby is a thugs game played by gentleman whereas football is.... 😉
The funny thing about watching Drogba was the fact that the camera focused jointly on his eye and the "respect' logo. Made me laugh at the time!!
[edit - perhaps it means respect in Chav-speak rather than normal parlance]
Drogba is what my old PE teacher would refer to as a "****ing big Jessie!!!!"
andyruss - Member
god forbid touch a ref
Unless they get in the way!
si_progressivebikes - Member
Not really the point though, loads of stuff happens in rugby to 'bend' the rules, including time wasting.Im sure you could find some pretty tough tackles that footballers have got up from?
Chill, just wanted an excuse to show the hit!
Thuggery? What?
Trouble is rugby players /coaches respect the ref and the rules of the game
Like Dean Richards, for example?
Let's face it, whilst rugby doesn't usually have much play-acting (bloodgate being the exception) there's plenty of cheating going on in any game you see.
played by gentleman
But its not really, that's just one of the meaningless statements made about the game.
Is a dive in football any worse than deliberately not binding in the scrum, dragging the scrum down, delaying the ball by pretending to fall awkwardly, tackling a player in the etc etc. There are dozens more offences in each and every rugby game over football, many of which endanger the opposition players.
because they say yes sir to the ref it does not mean they dont cheat
Its a myth rugbyists [ I am impresses by the cpts knowledge of [s]wendyball[/s] football based issues ...no really I am 🙄
Was there not an outbreak of fisticuffs last week in the gentle game?
A deliberate knock on or two..deliberate off side, stopping the team getting up etc to give you time to get back and defend...same old same old just they dont swear at the ref but both codes "cheat"
Footy is just more popular so more people notice
Binners Torres is so poor it is time to feel sorry for the guy
but both codes "cheat"
I was once told "if you ain't cheating you ain't trying".
Both rugby and football are played by professionals who know how much bending of the rules you can get away with. They know because they've been playing for years and they had the same tricks pulled on them when they were young players, and watched the perpetrators get away with it. So they take that trick into their repertoire and then learn a few more, and the level of cheating creeps up over time. Similarly the new refs see that their older counterparts are choosing to 'interpret' some events as being acceptable and so learn that this is how the game is played, no matter what the rules say.
IMO the main difference between rugby and football comes down to being cited after the event. The video ref system works well in big rugby games because there tend to be more contentious issues than in the typical footie game. I can see that it'd be a big investment that rarely got used for football, but citing would be cheap and effective, especially if backed up by recordings from a mic'd ref.
Wendyball fans - relax, its all a bit of a wind up!!
Of course, people bend the rules in all sport. But there is a very obvious distinction between the authority of the ref in rugby and in football. Its laughable to have respect badges and then watch players, managers, FA, FIFA (by association) happily ignore this basic message and undermine refs authority at any opportunity.
MSP - actually yes, I think there is a difference in the extent of cynicism involved but agree that boundaries may be a bit blurred.
relax, its all a bit of a wind up!!
Using the "Edinburgh defence" on a forum is equivalent to a cynical dive in football 😉 You big cheat!
It's gone to review...
No foul.
MSP
Touche..... but I did say [b]"bit of"[/b] a wind up. (There is some truth in there!!)
How dare you compare my tactics to those of the birthday boy!!!! He would be very disappointed. 😉
But there is a very obvious distinction between the authority of the ref in rugby and in football.
Rugby players pretend to respect the referee, footballers don't. Could you explain how that makes an obvious distinction in authority?
Of course not because that is a loaded question ransos. If the respect "is" only pretence then you have the answer you want!
But really if you cannot see the difference....?!?
But really if you cannot see the difference....?!?
Of course there's a difference: rugby players give it some "yes sir, no sir" before resuming cheating. Why on earth rugbyists think the lack of backchat or diving is evidence of superiority to football is something of a mystery. I don't recall seeing fake blood, gouging or spear tackles on MOTD...
Where I do think that football could learn from rugby is, as others have mentioned, through the use of citing, video technology, and the sin bin.
Ah bless here is one of the respectful rugbyist nice boys being reported for biting a player during the game
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17440125
Aye it is much nicer and more disciplined and respectful than wendy ball
Hartley had a six-month ban for eye gouging while playing for Northampton against Wasps in 2007.
No thuggery in the game at all, its all perfect and respectful, played be gentlemen la la la la.
Massive FAIL from you both. No-one argues that there is no foul play in rugby. But look at how it was dealt with. Did Ferriss roll around or play act? Did he and his team mates swarm around the ref? Did the English react and doing their own swarming and telling the ref to FO? Did 15-30 players get involved? Did anyone actually bite him or was he merely play acting!?!?!
Or did the player go over to the ref, indicate foul play, ref react in calm manner, captains listen to ref, ref make clear point, game move on, no BS from team coaches and disciplinary action started quickly and effectively?
Watch and learn footie fans and the FA/FIFA (of course JY unless you want me to quote your last post to TJ on the nuclear thread 😉 but I will cut you some slack after enduring all that nuclear nonsense. Have you guys not learned?).
Yeh, arguing with the ref is so much worse than biting, or trying to gouge someone's eye out.