[Closed] Crashed on surrey Hills..on "NEW" section (supernova)

It's not them, they have moved on it's the people who need you to know they jump bigger, faster, higher than everyone else.

Because a bit of willy waving on stw makes them feel awesumz to the max?

Mmm, yes you're probably both right there!

cheers Mojo

jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

so now its down to picking holes in peoples grammar..

Actually, the picking holes in people's grammar started on page 1. I was merely intending to ironically point out the level that the thread had quickly and predictably deteriorated to. I was probably not obvious enough, for which I apologise.

I will also ignore the fact that you started a new sentence with a lower case.

Putting big drops and jumps into Surrey Hills ain't the brightest thing to do IMHO - it's very popular and attracts a lot of inexperienced riders who are unlikely to have the skills and experience to handle stuff like that...

In particular, putting a feature needing well-above-average skills into one of the easiest to find and therefore well-used trails is poor judgement - a massive mismatch between the trail and the riders likely to be riding it.

I wish trail builders thought of the mass of riders and not just their own preferences.

Glad OP is ok and thanks for the heads up!

looks like a good bit of trail, being a non-local/never ridden surrey hills etc looks a bit like cannock stylee (which is fun!)

healing vibes OP, anyone got a picture of this jump, its really hard to tell on videos what sections are like on mtb' trails, often it looks flattened out and you dont get a real idea of the actual obstacle in question

would love some nice little wood trails like that with jumps in around the peak district 🙁

*skip to the end*

You wouldn't have crashed if you had been wearing some more expensive shorts 8)

I will also ignore the fact that you started a new sentence with a lower case.

To bE faIr....thatS' pritty Funey..
Eye wiLL let ewe OFF..

😉

You wouldn't have crashed if you had been wearing some more expensive shorts

And i must say they are awesome shorts and i love the patterns ...hahahaha

They look like my dead granddad's pyjamas. 🙁

This thread really has woken up the STW [s]dickheads[/s] keyboard warriors hasn't it.

The aim of this thread was just to give others a quick courteous heads up, yet all the poor chap gets is grief.

Hope you're recovering well OP 🙂

im off to Wales next weekend to do
Stiniog, Llandegla and Afan...i had better be mended by then...lol..

Why is it that folk who ride stuff like this in their sleep seem to be such dicks? Seems to be a regular occurrence. Very odd.

Is because:

healing vibes OP, anyone got a picture of this jump, its really hard to tell on videos what sections are like on mtb' trails, often it looks flattened out and you dont get a real idea of the actual obstacle in question

It's not actually that large at all, the problems are those mentioned - it was a straightforward drop, which now has a pit in the middle, requiring a bit more commitment, and it's on a very busy trail with absolutely no other similar features, so it came as rather a shock when it suddenly appeared.

Putting big drops and jumps into Surrey Hills ain't the brightest thing to do IMHO - it's very popular and attracts a lot of inexperienced riders who are unlikely to have the skills and experience to handle stuff like that...

It's also where a lot of very quick and skilled people ride. I'm sure people can make an informed decision whether they are capable of riding a trail or feature.

In particular, putting a feature needing well-above-average skills into one of the easiest to find and therefore well-used trails is poor judgement - a massive mismatch between the trail and the riders likely to be riding it.

If people used the two things in the front of their skull, and they grey matter behind them, there is an obvious chicken line round the feature in question.

I'm in the camp that features like this should be in the trail, but only of there are chicken lines to support them. Otherwise the situation comes to be like Swinley, where a small rolling double had to be filled in to become a small table instead, dumbing down of trails to suit the lowest common denominator.

We're not talking about hitting the main line of the Joyride trail at Crankworx here, with 50+ ft gaps. They are small little drops and gap jumps.

thats some funny shizzzle

Healing vibes.

Yep - look before you leap and all that but digging holes in trails that hundreds of people ride seems a little selfish and indeed dangerous to me whilst gaining nothing interms of trail flow.

I was merely intending to ironically point out the level [s]that[/s] to which the thread had quickly and predictably deteriorated [s]to[/s].

😀 🙄 😯 😆

I don't think I've ever bothered to check a trail out on a normal ride before I've ridden it. You just presume it's basically going to be the same as it's always been, and if some slight changes have been made, you hope you'll see them with enough time to change your usual line etc. I wouldn't say this was your fault by any stretch, it's just the nature of the beast sometimes. Get well soon mate.

njee20 - Member
healing vibes OP, anyone got a picture of this jump, its really hard to tell on videos what sections are like on mtb' trails, often it looks flattened out and you dont get a real idea of the actual obstacle in question
It's not actually that large at all, the problems are those mentioned - it was a straightforward drop, which now has a pit in the middle, requiring a bit more commitment, and it's on a very busy trail with absolutely no other similar features, so it came as rather a shock when it suddenly appeared.

ahh right, so is it incomplete then? to be finished still? if the jump was already there what is the purpose of this said pit, sounds like trail sabotage to me!

looks good fast fun though not much you can do in that situation really if you've already committed to riding it as it was before, just gotta hope you have enough speed to carry on through the new bits, a bit of luck, and a bit of get out of jail skill, but a combination of the 3 probably helps, but if your front wheel hits a pit and you dont know its there then not much will help i guess!

Healing vibes dude.

FWIW, I went down there last week and saw 3 girls (aged say 7-12) pushing their little bikes up the trail from the car park end. I politely advised they turn round and explore elsewhere because "... a lot of big fast bikes come down here and they might not see you in time ... "

Personally I don't think it would do any harm for certain trail exits to have those no-entry signs. Official of unofficial, I don't care. Have seen enough people wandering with kids/dogs along a stretch they really need to be careful on. Can't see if happening though.

I do tend to do a "slow run" at the start in case a tree is in the way round a blind corner or something.

But then again, at Lordswood a trail is 30 seconds long if that, so it's not too bad to walk up to the top again.

[i]We're not talking about hitting the main line of the Joyride trail at Crankworx here, with 50+ ft gaps. They are small little drops and gap jumps.[/i]

Go have a look at the picture on the first page again....

Healing vibes OP, people shitting about with trails is a bummer

The PLETHORA of knobs on this forum astound me. But really I shouldn't be surprised eh!

Get well soon!

ahh right, so is it incomplete then? to be finished still? if the jump was already there what is the purpose of this said pit, sounds like trail sabotage to me!

No idea! I rode down the trail a few weeks ago and there was a very shonky looking 'jump' dug into the trail, I didn't really fancy it, so avoided it. Rode down the next time and it appeared to have turned more into a drop, which had been reinforced with boards etc, and looked fine, now it seems to have been dug out in the middle. I've not really given it that much attention now I know it's there, not really a hassle to avoid!

Get well soon Pro, easy done especially on shonky trail 'adjustments' not matter how awesomz you are.
Have you seen what your old Remedy has become? 😉

That's possibly the funniest vid i've seen in YEARS !!!

Get well soon and thanks for posting it.

I know that trail well, no real jumps on it so any regular rider of it like myself wouldn't be expecting any.

IMO the hole that's been dug is totally inappropriate and very dangerous and almost certainly truely unofficial. There are plenty of trails in the SH with jumps from small to pretty serious, a lot of them are hidden away for obvious reasons and most are built to a pretty high standard by people who know what they are doing. I think this has been dug by someone with no clue what they are doing on a trail they know about because it's fairly common knowledge. Someone dug a similar pit and jump on BKB a while back.

In my view it's trail vandalism.

I can see why @freeridebick and others are concerned about this thread because stuff like this is exactly the sort of vandalism that leads to the trails being closed. However, that doesn't mean we should stay quiet about it.

jamba, problem is the trail itself is affectively vandalism let alone the jump!

the whole trail could be flattened by the Hurtwood with a few chainsaw strokes..only take 1 show to the ranger of neck brace picture...

The Hurtwood turn a blind eye to a lot....we don't want it to turn into Swinley..

Jambalaya - the jump was built by the guy that builds most of the other trails round there and it does ride well. As njee mentioned above it was fine for all when the wood was initially added, nothing more than a drop really. A less confident rider could ride at it slowly, push the front wheel off and generally be fine. Alternatively there is the chicken line. Since that point earth has been taken from the point behind the boarding to build up the landing ramp which has resulted in the hole and subsequent lip which was the OPs undoing. Now if you go off it with insufficient pace/skillz you end up with the opening post/vid.

Place your bets now on how long it takes the Ranger to destroy this...

I'm not against stuff like this in trails, I like to push/test my skills on these sort of features as much as the next person but, IMO, it's bad judgement to put a feature into a trail that is out of character with the rest of the trail.

I also think it's asking for trouble to build something like this on such a busy trail as it inevitably draws the attention of the Hurtwood to the trail and forces them not to turn a blind eye any longer.

I think it would be better if things like that were placed off the main line, so they become opt in, rather than catching people out.

Someone dug a similar pit and jump on BKB a while back.

Remember speaking to someone who was proud of himself for having done that. His words were "it's about evolving the sport", and he couldn't get his head round the fact it was really pretty stupid.

the whole trail could be flattened by the Hurtwood with a few chainsaw strokes..only take 1 show to the ranger of neck brace picture...

Erm, but that situation was caused entirely by the new modifications to the trail... That's the problem. Yes the trail was probably a bit cheeky, but few were likely to get hurt on it. That's now changed, and the stakes have been raised somewhat.

People crash everywhere. just not sure we need a 4 page spread about it!

Anyhow, I am off to ride TD's lesser known creations! 😛

Personally I don't think it would do any harm for certain trail[b]s[/b]to have those no-entry [b]to bikes[/b] signs. Official of unofficial, I don't care. Have seen enough people [b]tearing down them on bikes[/b] with kids/dogs along a stretch they really need to be careful on. Can't see if happening though.

FTFY

FFS take some responsibility for your own actions, Joe Public walking up the trail with dog and kids in tow hasn't the foggiest idea that some biker coming the other way thinks it's a bike only trail. You on the other hand know you're there, know your stopping distance, and should be anticipating that someone else might be on the trail. It's a bit of land within easy reach of London with relatively relaxed access rules, who do you think they'd ban if push came to shove, the 99% of the population that don't ride bikes, or the mountainbikers reprisented by the douchebag who ran over Rover and Fenton becasue he couldn't stop in time?

Anyhow, I am off to ride TD's lesser known creations!

Quicker than the trail in question? Seems you're 100 places below me on Strava 😉

Calm down spoony. FTR I do take responsibility for my actions and like to think I actively look out walkers/kids/dogs on sections/corners where it's not always easy to see what's coming up. This is as a result of being a regular dog walker and XC runner, ie putting one's boot on the other foot.

I've seen a mate have a big splat as a result of a dog running across his line on Park Life. He could easily have broken something. Owners didn't give a to55.

EDIT: I know a fair few riders who sadly don't give a sh1t who else is on the trail. Hence my concern is more for walkers/kids/animals getting in the way of people like this.

I've seen a mate have a big splat as a result of a dog running across his line on Park Life. He could easily have broken something. Owners didn't give a to55.

Quicker than the trail in question? Seems you're 100 places below me on Strava

He's still trying to catch me down Evian 😉

I'm going to have to put some effort in on the trail in question, i'm off the first page now 😯

There's actually nothing ghetto about it, it's been boarded & staked properly.

I apologise for calling your IMBA standard illegal building 'ghetto'. How silly of me. 🙄

Its pretty stupid to say its perfectly fine to mod a trail to suit the diggers ability.
If there is a drop or a table thats been in place for a while and riders know its there , and know the speed and line required to clear it safely or think its still rollable as its a table. Then along come Mr dig-it and digs out a trench as a table just isnt radcore enough for him ,surely alot of riders are going to crash?
Its just dumb, putting people into danger on private land where its for the minority benefit . As for walking a trail , Yeah everyone does that don't they.

You can see the take off and landing transition with enough time to stop. As such I feel that the creator of this trail has done a good job. If you feel that it should be made safer, may I suggest you pick up a spade and go fill the middle in and make it into a table top. Or just moan alot, that always helps!

Its Ok , I will just wait for the ranger to flatten it so I can roll it safely.

Hob Nob - Member
To be fair if you can ride that trail at any sort of pace the old berms were too tight, it was easier to double them up.

Not too tight at all I found. Was one of the best fast flowing descents in the hills. Sweeping berms, and was even getting into a little rear flick on the uphill corner into the last big berm. Now round the corner and "oh ****" 😀 . Yes it's a small gap to most, but I have hang ups on them, so it's no go for me until I can get my head round it (and all gaps really). Now I have to mince round the chicken line, which at least is less of a mess when the hole was first hacked in.

Actually I can see why it may have appeared. People couldn't be bothered to corner and I was already seeing a short cut appearing and someone thought it would be cool to turn the short cut into a gap, but straight through the line into the berm!

I like the new jump for what it's worth. It would appear I'm the minority though

Looks great. I can't do it, but yeah it looks great. However it's destroyed the flow for those who don't want to or can't jump it. I'd rather a second line out of the original flow with a jump was put in that descended into the berm rather than destroying what was a nice berm (and probably a lot of work involved) entirely. That way there'd be a pay off for the jump guys by hitting the new line and maybe more speed without killing the speed for everyone else, instead of slowing everyone else down so a few can have a blast. But hey ho.

Really though the problem with Supernova is it's incredibly popular now and a main end of ride run to the car park (when people are tired and make mistakes). Everyone rides it, with a wide variety of skills and (in)experience. Something like that built on Northern Monkey or a more secret trail and fine you'd expect that, so long as you give me a chicken line 😀 .

[b]Edit:[/b] Just looking at the video, it's hard to make out but it looks different yet again from at the weekend. Is that further back? Doesn't seem to be where I thought it was and looks like more of a drop now. Can't see a line round it either. Difficult to see though.

most of the stuff in winterfold in unofficial

I believe Hurtwood owns and controls a part of Winterfold - not sure which parts though, always ride there with an eye out for getting told off by a certain landowner especially around the Supernova area.

OP hope you get better thanks for the heads up

Nobody enjoys a big stack however it happens so hope you're all healed in time for your trip to Wales.

Some good points made in this thread, but honestly, how are people going so fast that they are going into the jumps with no time to react / stop / avoid? There's more than enough run in on that section to see what is coming up and realise that the trail has changed. First time I approached them I just slowed a bit, popped the first one and stopped for the second, took a look and went back for another run. True, you can't track walk every single trail when you ride just incase there's a new feature, but there's pretty much always time to see what is ahead and react.

Or maybe I'm just slow.

jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
so now its down to picking holes in peoples grammar..

[pedant]Actually, he was correcting bad spelling, not bad grammar.[/pedant]