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Holy mother ****ing hell its arrived!!!!
Looks very nice indeed
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Looks good! Not a bad price for the complete either.
good luck to them, but too late for me now.
£3599 - "not a bad price"
What's your job Cokie??
🙂
That's right nice. Bit too much bike for the majority of riding I do though!
IT, obviously 😛
In all seriousness- a small manufacturer producing a frame from a nice steel with solid forks, groupset, wheels, dropper and finishing kit isn't bad for £3600.
By comparison my Whyte T129 SCR Works is £3100 for a similar spec with boring ali frame & produced in larger numbers.
Bird Aeris RS @ £3700 gets you Pikes and carbon wheels.
The Whyte is £500 less and has a Pike on it.
Still happy with my 26" wheeled version.
Looks as good with mid-sized wheels though.
Ooooooo. And here's me having just sold my 150mm FS bike too. Was wondering what to replace it with. 😀
Looks flippin ace.
Would be in the market for a 130mm'ish version.
If it rides like the 26er, then I wouldn't worry too much.slimjim78 - MemberLooks flippin ace.
Would be in the market for a 130mm'ish version.
Test ride it and see what you think. It's definitely a trail bike.
I had a 26 rocket and it was really good, I miss it. Steel frames are fun.
Saw someone on the 29er rocket in the peak the other week, looked a bit ungainly to me, I do like the 26 though
As per theend^^^, don't rule it out because you think it's too much travel. The way it rides is the travel is there when you need it but it doesn't really feel it when it's not...
I'm really not a 6" travel FS guy and I thought the 26er was ace. Only moved it on because I wasn't riding, let alone in need of FS. Mind you, I have just put the HR's back on the Soul.... 
Hope things go better this time Cy (much better!)
As per theend^^^, don't rule it out because you think it's too much travel. The way it rides is the travel is there when you need it but it doesn't really feel it when it's not...
You wouldn't choose it as an XC bike though would you?
Either way, good luck to them. I hope it sells like hot cakes.
rp: 130mm isn't exactly XC is it? Only 20mm short. As discussed at length the first time around, a reduced travel Rocket would still weigh the same. So why not just take the extra (for when you just might need it)?
Oh, I rode the same places I rode my HT's (but mainly the Firmounth/Fungle/Glen Tanar).
Still loving my 26" wheeled Rocket, it's just so much fun to ride! I guess when I finally get around to catching up with the times and buy a 650b machine then the Rocket will be the obvious choice. Good luck with it Cy although to be honest I don't think luck will come into it, a bike as sorted and fun as the Rocket will sell all day long. Guess I'm going to be spotting a few more Rockets out on the trails now!
Ooooooo. And here's me having just sold my 150mm FS bike too. Was wondering what to replace it with
fingers crossed it IS this october for you then 😉
Had my first spin on my new (to me) 26" rocket last night. Feels really, really nice (not that up and down the road and over a few bumps is a great test). The front felt like it wanted to rail into turns (where my old frame didn't). Can't wait to try it out on proper trails.
Appreciate you can't please everyone but green or orange? blehhhh.
Black black Black all day long (or possibly dark blue or dark red)
Dark red??? Surely not
Green and orange seen to be classic Cotic colours. So a bit of brand identity rather than just following the crowd seems good to me.
But as you rightly say, you can't please everyone.
metalheart - MemberSo why not just take the extra (for when you just might need it)?
you're mostly right, but there are things to consider:
# longer travel bikes tend to stand higher 'pre-sag' - you might not like that extra BB height (if it is higher)
# you might not be experience the full range of travel behaviour (you might only be using the travel where it's in it's 'linear' phase, or whatever).
# a longer travel frame needs longer travel forks - they tend to be more expensive and heavier.
like i said, you're mostly right. but a shitey old mincer like me, given the choice, would take the frame that's optimised for less travel.
Lets be honest CF or aluminium at the cheaper end of the market are much better materials for shorter travel bikes. Steel only starts to makes sense for longer travel bikes that need the strength and would be heavy anyway. Even then CF is probably a better frame material.
@awhiles: forks these days are quite often 160 travel. You want shorter you have to shim down so basically you're the same weight ... 😀 Not sure the point re b/b you're making, just sit on the damn thing and it's the right height ... 😀
Personally, re travel behaviour I think you're over thinking it! I just rode the damn thing once I'd the rear set up (added 10 psi a couple times until it felt right) I left it. Not once did I find my mind drifting to its 'behaviour'
I was commenting against 130mm v 150mm. I can see no reason to discount the a Rocket on this basis. You want a shorter travel frame, fine, it'll probably end up lighter too. As a shitey old mincer myself I loved the long, slack and low (made me a bit less mincey). YMMV.
Lets be honest CF or aluminium at the cheaper end of the market are much better materials for shorter travel bikes. Steel only starts to makes sense for longer travel bikes that need the strength and would be heavy anyway. Even then CF is probably a better frame material
Really? Could you justify that?
Steel only starts to makes sense for longer travel bikes that need the strength and would be heavy anyway.
I think this was pretty much agreed three years ago on the 26" version. People were asking for a 100mm version and Cy went 'it would weigh the same'.
Define 'better'...
metalheart - Member...re travel behaviour I think you're over thinking it! I just rode the damn thing once I'd the rear set up (added 10 psi a couple times until it felt right) I left it. Not once did I find my mind drifting to its 'behaviour'
it sounds like your mind drifted to it's 'behaviour' at least 'a couple of times'...
no?
People were asking for a 100mm version and Cy went 'it would weigh the same'.
this is something i've never really got out of Cy, he makes the BFe, a whacking great lump of robust awesomeness. He could make it out of Aluminium, and it would be cheaper and lighter.
Clearly weight isn't everthing in the world of Cotic hardtails. but as soon as we're talking FS frames, it's a driving function.
(except it isn't, the Rocket isn't one for the gram counters)
Marketing... Steel is real and all that guff. You cannot blame someone for knowing their market and exploiting it.He could make it out of Aluminium, and it would be cheaper and lighter
you're right. but i really don't think Cy wants to exploit anyone.
if he was up for a bit of exploitation, he'd have knocked out a steel 100mm Rocket, and raked in the cash.
a 29er rocket would probably sell like hot cakes too, but he says it's not for sale till he can make it work.
he's a gent.
it sounds like your mind drifted to it's 'behaviour' at least 'a couple of times'...
Hehe, maybe... but in reality it was more 'I'm getting pedal strike, I'd better put in more puff' rather than, hmm, that last bump, the travel felt decided, hell, was it [i]non-linear?[/i]... And once I'd got the sag sorted that was it. So, only on a couple of rides.
BFe in Alu? Well, he couldn't call it a BFe then could he!
Exploit may be a strong word but you get my meaning
I too would be interested in a shorter, lighter, less gnar rocket but I doubt that kind of thing would rake in the cash
He talks about the reasons for choosing steel here:
I assume the same applies to the 27.5 version. It is from about 3 mins onward
Clearly weight isn't everthing in the world of Cotic hardtails. but as soon as we're talking FS frames, it's a driving function.
I'll think you'll find it was other people that made a big deal about the weight. Cy was more that if he'd done it in alu it would probably have been a similar weight.... And, as podge said, steel is real (and all that guff).
Seems much better value as a frame only and getting £250 back for binning the Fox Evo.
thepodge - MemberExploit may be a strong word but you get my meaning
yes, it seems Cy has found/made (maybe a bit of both?) a niche/market that works for him. maybe there's a bit of '4th wall'* going on with his product range.
(*if you step outside your 'area' - you risk bursting the bubble, a bit like Genesis making Carbon road frames, or Dylan going electric. it might even work financially/technically/artistically, but there's going to be grumblers)
I think quite a few people / brands fear going outside their 4th wall
If the Rocket is the full suspension BFe then I'm after the full suspension Soul
damn you podge, you said in ... 15 words something that i've been struggling to say in about 3 years.
Glad I could be of some (slightly delayed) assistance
Slightly off topic but your Dylan comment reminded me of this vid of his fans from 66 at Sheffield city hall
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then I'm after the full suspension Soul
Hehe, I remember saying pretty much the same thing about 3-4 years ago (pre Rocket launch)
Having said that, I've recently jumped on the 29er bandwagon so I'm probably after the full suspension Solaris