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His story is irrelevant. Strict liability should apply as it does in every other sport.
[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sportspeople_cleared_of_doping_charges ]This list[/url] will support TJ in every aspect that strict liability applies to all sports and under no circumstances have mistakes been made, especially not by anyone here.
Lol @ DS's list - whose argument is that shite supporting ?!
cocaine, moi ? good lord no, though I did lick some birds nostrils in a nightclub 🙄
I once touched a lady's bottom in a nightclub. 😮
It's ok though, because she let me. 🙂
she only let you 'cos you told her you were famous, I bet
don - you may want contador to be innocent but he is not
Non of those listed are comparable apart from the ****stani cricketers and ev en they were found guilty and pardoned later.
Strict liability applies in drug testing - that is it does not matter how it got in your system if it is in there you are guilty of doping.
Contadoer had clembutarol in his system. No techincal irregularities in the testing. Procedures followed properly. He should be serving a ban by the rules.
It just shows how soft cycling and the spanish federation are on doping. The spanish federation have previous as well.
she only let you 'cos you told her you were famous, I bet
Oh dear. I think I'm going to need a superinjunction... 😳
don't tell anyone but I told some burd I was Ryan Giggs a while back
DS that list is poor if it proves anything it is that other sports are also culpable of letting stars off and doing tests badly.
Ps my fav was the snow boarder cleared of dope smoking as it was not on the banned list at the time.
I note there is a cleared cyclist who was found guilty of the same substance who then produced a medical certificate to explain his test result. So I await his Drs note then.
Is there a similar one with a vague claim about contaminated meat not substantiated by any other corroborating evidence anywhere?
I also wish he was clean and I am not fully sure of why it was there tbh but his excuse is piss poor and not very believable IMHO. If he could produce credible evidence he could get a reduced ban but no ban seems kind to the point of ignoring the rules.
don - you may want contador to be innocent but he is not
And the bit where I said innocent until proven guilty and it is CAS and not wee little internet chappie who'll prove him guilty, and that'll I will accept the ruling. You on the other hand can only see guilt and will still scream guilty if CAS find him innocent.
tbh but his excuse is piss poor and not very believable IMHO.
Unfortunately you'd need to be aware of how the farmers operate here, and inspite of TJ's superior knowledge he doesn't know what goes on here. Clenbuterol being fed to animals, based on personal experience, is plausible. Again sending staff out across the border to Spain is plausible, are you aware of how the Spanish love Spanish food. Forgetting which butchers and not having the food checked is a little dubious. Trust me I probably know the Spainsh, and members of the Spanish Federación, a bit better than TJ and am not talking about things naïvely.
This I think has only been done 2 or 3 thousand times. TJ has convinced himself without any facts and will probably spout all types of shite if Alberto gets a ban about how he knew all along. He will also choose to select which bits of my posts he wants to use for best effect, strange really as on other threads he'll completely ignore me, which is no bad thing... 😈
Don - he failed a drug test. He is guilty. That is a fact. He had clembuterol in his body therefore he is guilty.
You cannot get away from this. it is not unsubstanciated allegations it is a fact. He failed a drug test.
~What about this says to you he is innocent until proven guilty - he has been proven guilty of having clembuterol in his body.
are you aware of how the Spanish love Spanish food.
I am! 😀
I've known a fair few Spains, and they do like their proper Spainish grub, it has to be said. They'll bring suitcases full of foodstuffs of back over with them when they come back from trips home. Chorizo, Jamon, cheese, olive oil, tins of squid, octopus etc, all sorts. All of it positively [i]dripping[/i] with Glen Butronol. Possibly.
Trust me I probably know the Spainsh, and members of the Spanish Federación, a bit better than TJ
Don Simon lives in Sapin. So this is probbly true, TJ.
TBh, TJ hazzunt really provided any proper evidence type stuff against Contador, and clearly has an agenda against the poor lad.
Here he is, with not one, but [i]two[/i] pretty ladies kissing him. Whilst looking mockingly at TJ.
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Elf - contador failed a drug test. There is no doubt about this.
Look at him mocking you, TJ.
Because he knows he's better than you.
I am prettier than him
TJ has convinced himself without any facts
yes the failed drug test is not a fact and when you compare it to the Spanish love of their food and inability to prove the given account I can see why you mock his view.
I am glad you know the Spanish authorities and can speak knowledgeably about Spanish farmers ...is he calling you as a witness with your evidence?
I thought it was just the japanese that made fake whisky - no wonder TJ's pissed offGlen Butronol
~What about this says to you he is innocent until proven guilty - he has been proven guilty of having clembuterol in his body.
Erm... Let me think on this one.... I know... I'll get it in a minute.... Bear with me... It's on the tip of my tongue... No, no don't help me...
Is it because he's still racing and NOT actually banned?
He is not banned because the spanish authorities broke the rules not to ban him hence it is going to the international body where he will be banned.
There is no defence. he had clembuterol in his body he is guilty.
I don't know why you find this so hard to understand.
Wether he was banned or not has no bearing on the fact that he is guilty of having clembuterol in his body.
I am prettier than him
No you're not.
Here he is, pointing and laughing at you for not wearing a helmet:
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It's not a court of law, it's rules of sport of a governing body. He tested positive so is guilty. Under normal procedures he would be banned, and it would then be up to him to prove his innocence to overturn the ban. It's the fact the Spanish Federation aren't following the procedures they're required to under UCI/WADA/IOC rules that it's been referred to CAS who will likely again force the Spanish Federation to follow rules.
For the same reasons you can not understand that if he is allowed to race then nothing wrong has been done. He does not get a ban if he can show that there is a reasonable explanation regarding the Clenbuterol in the body, the RFEC were satisfied, all legal and above board. CAS have the right to appeal, and are and if they agree with the story-No ban. Why can't you understand that?
The RFEC came to that decision by not following the rules they are required to abide by, which is why it's gone to CAS. This is why UCI/WADA referred it to CAS. It was not RFEC's role to decide whether his explanation was reasonable, they should have banned him. Contador then could have appealed and made his case. Them's the rules. They broke them, and could be facing expulsion from the IOC before long because of it.
They broke them, and could be facing expulsion from the IOC before long because of it.
Not seen that, links?
Because it is not right. You don't understand the rules. It does not matter how the clembuterol got into his body under WADA rules he is guilty and must be banned. Accidental ingestion gets him a short ban not the 2 years that he gets for deliberate.
Teh spanish federation are in breach of WADA regulations. Article 9 and 10 especailly
I suggest you read the WADA regs
It was on links from Bikeradar Pro Race forum. The Spanish Federation's inability to follow procedures with regards Valverde and Contador and other cases/investigations were causing rumblings.
He does not get a ban if he can show that there is a reasonable explanation regarding the Clenbuterol in the body
Nope - that's not the rules. Hence why Baxter was banned.
CAS ... if they agree with the story-No ban
Even if they believe the story (for which there is what evidence?) I'd be very surprised by that.
Why can't you understand that the only reason he isn't banned is because the rules haven't been followed, not because he's innocent? I'm quite confident that you'll shortly find that Contador only has 2 TdF wins (and those only because they didn't catch him).
For the same reasons you can not understand that if he is allowed to race then nothing wrong has been done.
You are missing the point all we have now is him and the decision makers breaking the rules. If this constitutes innocence to you then no amount of logic is going to sway you. He did have the drug in his bodyand the relevant authorities did not enforce the rules properly.
None of this is actually debatable it it is what happened and CAS will almost certainly find him guilty.
... and the Giro organisers will be in the farcical situation of stripping the overall winner of his Maglia Rosa a couple of weeks after winning it. They didn't want him there precisely because of this.
None of this is actually debatable it it is what happened and CAS will almost certainly find him guilty.
And I will repeat for the umpteenth time, if/when CAS find him guilty I will accept it and not before.
TJ, point ne to the bit you want me to read. please?
Don Simon, you're not FrenchFighter on the bikeradar forum are you?
Don Simon, you're not FrenchFighter on the bikeradar forum are you?
Err, no. Why?
Article 9 and 10. its very clear. Strict liability applies. 10.5.2 especaillly
unfortuatly you cannot copy and paste off it.
However to paraphrase if a test is failed then disqualification is automatic. article 9
10.5.2 if they have no significant fault or negligence then bans can be reduced
GUILTY. The dope was in his system ergo he should be banned. Whether it was intentional or not is yet to be proved. Those are the rules, it's really quite simple.
Elf - he's short & not that good looking but hey maybe short ugly blokes are your type.. 😉
A poster there that similarly has defended Contador against the same arguments. Sorry, my mistake.
Elf - he's short & not that good looking
He's better looking than you. As many women will testify.
Let's have a look at your mug then. Come on.
And what's wrong with being short? Prince is short, and he's way sexier than you. And so am I.
In yer dreams son.
Well come on then, money where yer mouth is. Post up a pic, come on.
Otherwise you're a failmerchant.
I'm a better dancer than you as well.
Article 9 looks like it's talking about multi event competitions such as you find in the Olympics and disqualifying the athlete from that competition e.g. athlete competing in 100m, 200m and 400m fails a test for 100m is disqualified here but can retain anything for the other two events.
Article 10.5.1 could also be applied, after a quick scan, with no sanction. But I'm not a 1,000€/hr lawyer, I leave that to the 1,000€/hr lawyers.
Still doesn't change anything for me, Contador is still racing and not banned until CAS say so.
Spain is still amember of IOC and until they are kicked out, well, they are still members
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elf - I'm better looking than contador
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hasnt this been done once.
Contador is miles better than anyone at the giro anyway. Scarponi / menchov / sastre = has beens. Sastre and menchov only there because not invited to TDF. Nibali is the only class act there and he had a fantastic season last year. However, a poor giro field this year because riders know that this is the best chance they have of winning TDF because Bertie wont be there. Also, riders looking at riding for 2nd at Giro so when Bertie is stripped they they win (albeit they know they werent the best on the road)
He will be banned IMHO and I agree with TJ on this.
Look at how many spaniards have been caught in last 3 years. Its a piss take and the federation were in a lose:lose situation. AC should have taken a 1 year ban (which would probably have been appealed anyway)
Clenbuterol in European beef, that someone collected from Spain for a treat on a rest day that no one else ate in a continent where its banned for food production.(lets not forget his Saiz links , and his links to O Puerto)
Are people really that blinkered on here.People will be claiming Valverde was stitched up next.
AC Did a rather good time trial the other year to beat FABU in TDF yet was pedalling squares in last years TT.
FFS !
TJ - you look like Norman Blake (teenage fanclub)
as you wish DS but I wish you could reach a conclusion ,based on evidence, for your self. The good news is you will soon be agreeing with us.
You bite so easily elf it's not even sport