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No idea who you are but I'd have enjoyed watching you pull up a total stranger for skidding in corners. WTF?
what about new riders who use the back brake to scrub off speed into and down everything and are still learning? can we ban new riders from entering OUR woods please, messing it up for all us riding gods.
skills course certificate before being allowed entry into the singletrack is a mimimum! the bonus of keeping learner/new/riders who generally aren't as awesome as all of us away from OUR woods is that we wont ever get held up on the trails by slower people and best of all the market for BSO's will drop and the industry can focus on only making expensive proper bikes, the effect of this will mean bike nobody will be investing money into the industry until they're bloody well good enough.
The braking bumps don't generally detract from the trails hence the jokes on here about them being dangerous. However for small sections like the tac berms the builders could have moved away from locally sourced material for added durablity?
However for small sections like the tac berms the builders could have moved away from locally sourced material for added durablity?
Current stance by the FC is that they want us to use locally sourced material only, which unfortunately as it's mainly a sand/clay mix it isn't particularly good for building durable trails with... Hopefully something will be agreed upon soon though, and they are aware of the maintenance issues on the trails (i.e. a handful of volunteers can't cope with maintaining the whole thing).
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Tina's quiet...
thepodge - Member
I saw a vid of someone doing that last week, every single berm was skidded through.
[paranoid mode]I posted a vid last week, is it the one you're referring to? If so, sorry to disappoint. The only skid is @ 0.52, where my buddy mis-read the trail (it's a badly designed bit imo) so he skidded and I skidded so as not to hit him. The rest is just aweZome skillZ on a very loose trail 😉 .[paranoid mode]
If this is not the video in question, then crack on...
Pretty sure it's against forum policy to post a video of your cock
Are braking bumps not a part of the original design in the trail centres near large populations? The builders could save us all a lot of unnecessary brake and tyre wear if they just put them in in the first place.
Tina's quiet...
Am I?
I wandered off when it degenerated into debate about the merits of braking bumps and willy waveing fest.
Sory Jamesy if you thought I blanked you, I said hi/thanks at the gate but thought you blanked me, wasn't being rude and didn't know the way after the crossing hence riding round you and letting you past after the MX gate/stile.
Nothing personal but you were by far the worst offender for skidding unececeraly (and the other people doing it tended to be groms so forgiveable), you were locking up on the straights going into every corner then locking up mid corner to skid round. A little bit of smoothness and riding round the corner rather than into it and the trail would last much longer and it's quicker than skidding and losing all that momentum anyway, and on the straights braking is more efficient if you're not locked up. You were clearly quite a quick rider and spend a fair ammount of time/money cycling, which is why I was annoyed that you were deliberately locking up (or didn't know any better).
It doesn't afect me personaly which is why I kept my mouth shut (perhapse I was being quiet as I'm a believer in "if you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all, but go rant about it later") but there were voulenteers carting wheelbarrows of trail about somewhere just after the Marquis' drive car park who were giving up their Sunday so that we could ride and I think their effort's deserve a little respect.
Ohhh, and overcooked is a little exadgerated, overshot would be a better description, the front wheel followed an inside rut rather than the propper outside line I should have aimed for round the berm/switchback so I was mid corner stil pointing directly down the hill and couldn't turn in any harder to make the exit. Still did it without locking up, maybe if I'd locked the back wheel I'd have made it round 😛
appologies again,I didn't see/recognise/notice you, the French guy on the black/green Lapierre who presumably overtook you on the previosus decent came past me (without skidding) on the corners coming down to the fire road, hence my assumption that you were elswhere.i don't see you until the top of the next climb, where your talking to 2 guys.
I saw a vid of someone doing that last week, every single berm was skidded through.
That (assuming that's the right video) is borderline drifting, Jamesy's skidding was more of the ride upto the corner on the inside, plonk front wheel on apex and lock up the back to skid it round 180deg. That video just blows the loose surface out to the edge which is how natural berms form, Jamesy's was more digging a hole through the track in the first third of the corner.
I think a lot so the 'braking bumps' on the Canmnock trails aren't acutally braking bumps at all. They're the remnants of the orginal FC forestation where the young trees are planted by machine in ploughed ridges. The furrows created to produce these ridges will always trap water and with the number of tyres going through the puddles produced washes out some of the loose backfill in the furrows, resulting in what appears to be braking bumps.
If you look carefully you'll see that a lot of them are very evenly spaced and of a similar size.
I'm not saying this explains all of them but it certainly covers a significant number, especially those on the straighter section of trails.
On the cheeky trails, perhaps?
Sory Jamesy if you thought I blanked you, I said hi/thanks at the gate but thought you blanked me
I think I sense a bromance developing.
what about new riders who use the back brake to scrub off speed into and down everything and are still learning? can we ban new riders from entering OUR woods please, messing it up for all us riding gods
Yes, This... 😀
just oil the rear disk, this will stop people locking up . . . .
I think I sense a bromance developing.
shotgun big spoon
At the ... "track where the sport that must not be named lest thisisnotaspoon ends up bearing twins" is done, the braking bumps only appear after the experts have been out - I doubt skidding has much to do with it, those guys brake late, hard, and effectively.[1]
So keep the rubbish riders, ban the GOOD riders - and in case The Pinkster is right, ban the forestry commission too.
[1] First time I really hit the powerband on my crosser, I accelerated about one quarter of the way from one corner to the other, locked up and skidded the other three quarters, and didn't go round the corner... Right ratio, wrong order, poor outcome. 😆
However for small sections like the tac berms the builders could have moved away from locally sourced material for added durablity?
Section 11 was closed for quite a while as different parts of the trail were resurfaced with different combinations of materials (not sure if they were all locally sourced) - the idea was to see which combinations work the best, I think. [url= http://www.forestry.gov.uk/newsrele.nsf/fa97f2ec59ab86108025751b004c36d8/1ae6ec93d9db6300802579d000523798!OpenDocument ]There was also a large donation of delicious grit and sand recently from a local quarry.[/url]
trail centers are busy and full of insteado-golfers on bikes shocker.
tell you how to get round it: see those dashes on OS maps? go ride a few of them.
tell you how to get round it: see those dashes on OS maps? go ride a few of them.
Indeed, I rode some lovely footpaths arround Ranmoor/Rivelin Valley later that afternoon 😛
^^^ i would stick to foot paths if i was you. half of what you said up there is utter crap. think before you slag some one of on an internet forum. Im sure ill get held up by you going down hill and you will just ignore the fact im behind you... then get annoyed when i over take you .... anyway im not arguing with some utter pillock on here who can't even state facts correctly, as i said previously i ride ov :oops:er cannock pretty often, i remember you on a blue singular swift , ill keep an eye out for you, that's if im not lying in a ditch some where as you stated earlier. what kind of acomment is that ? I rode all day Sunday , had a good day aswell i only met one tool all day and it looks like that was you TINA. NOW SOD OFF before you make matters worse for yourself .
The solution to trails wearing out is to build on very shallow soil with bedrock underneath, like at Cwmcarn. The trail just keeps getting better 🙂
The only place i've noticed the braking bumps really getting in the way is the descent of Tacks blast but with all the traffic that flows down there its no wonder it's been cut up.
As said, with the trail made of sand it's not going to last, especially with the rain, a ride around the Blue route shows the damage the rain has done in other sections.
Blue Singular you say??? Did I see you one evening last week at the top of those second set of rocks on Upper Cliff Descent
Blue Singular you say??? Did I see you one evening last week at the top of those second set of rocks on Upper Cliff Descent
Unless Upper Cliff is in Yorkshire then probably not 😛
No Cannock I meant - how were the braking bumps in Yorkshire?
No Cannock I meant - how were the braking bumps in Yorkshire?
There're a couple of ruts coming into the last corner of Les's in Guisbrough and the first decent at Dalby where the red is still part of the blue but other than that we're braking bump free as far as I can tell, definately off-piste and natural trails anyway 🙂
Ruts? Nasty business!
Ruts? Nasty business!
I know, they almost made me spill my Pimms!
Me earlier donning weekend warrior goggles and an early prototype Urge Endur-o-matic to take on some gnarly ruts to defend the Peoples Republic of Yorkshire from back brake draggers.
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to defend the Peoples Republic of Yorkshire from back brake draggers.
Jamsy, you have been warned!!!
this thread got interesting again....
Pmsl. if anybody fancies a good blast around cannock sunday, your more than welcome to check out my back brake dragging skillz 😉 and you can all judge for yourselfs my crap biking skillz ay it 🙂
Pmsl. if anybody fancies a good blast around cannock sunday, your more than welcome to check out my back brake dragging skillz and you can all judge for yourselfs my crap biking skillz ay it
I might actualy be about to heckle 😛
I never said you were crap (I actualy said you were quite quick/good), I said you deliberately skidded, easy enough to remedy and I suspect you'll not do it again, OTHERWISE I'LL BE AT MY KEYBOARD WAITING!
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I think I'm going to take a 450 KTM round Cannock just to piss off Mr Spoon.
I think I'm going to take a 450 KTM round Cannock just to piss off Mr Spoon.
There's a vid where David Knight took an enduro bike to some trail centre and raced some guy, and he didn't make a dent on the place. Probably didn't skid.
(He lost too, but they should've done an aggregate time of down, then back up! 😆 )
I might actualy be about to heckle
Are you going to dress up real nice for him?
bwaarp you will be fine if you dont stand on the rear brake around the corners. I suspect on a MX/Enduro bike you will be better off power sliding it round them as using the rear brake would be a bit difficult.
klumpy that wasn't just a trail centre that was the Fort William DH track against Gee Atherton.