[Closed] Can people sign up to the UKGE Nationals pretty please

Lets not get into the do's and dont's, the wrongs and rights in this thread...

...although a lively thread with lots of opinion will keep it at the top of the first page - surely you have a view on which of the many wheel sizes should be obligatory or something?

69ers, obviously

http://www.ukgravityenduro.com/national-champs-for-enduro-in-the-uk-make-it-happen/

Has the enduro bubble burst then? Why is this event unpopular?

Easy on the pocket as well

Certainly, if you just send me the entry fee I'll be happy to sign up. I'll even let you choose what wheel size I ride on...

Has the enduro bubble burst then? Why is this event unpopular?

It clashes with Nats in other (i.e. DH and XC) disciplines?

Hopefully this will be the kick up the arse UKGE need to-

1) Sort their mental prices out
2) Sort their mental rules out

the series is selling well munrobiker, just not the National Champs as its not been run before

prices are fine for 3 days of riding on some superb courses, have you seen what a BDS race costs to enter!! and its 45 quid for a 1 day enduro1 or 50quid for minienduro race, im not seeing why 70 quid is so bad

the insurance requirement is probably putting a few off, its only 17 quid a year via cycleplan though....

im not seeing why 70 quid is so bad

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youre worth the caash munrobiker!

the insurance requirement is probably putting a few off

I thought it was the clear lack of understanding (or ability to explain) by the organisers as to what the insurance was for that was what put people off? As you say, only £17, £17 for nothing, but only £17.

the series is selling well

They have not sold any races out this year compared to the past and in the other races I have done there is a lot of people complaining about silly new rules regarding insurance and helmets. A group of 6 of us did all the rounds last year and none this year.

There are better races for less money now.

Surely the holding of a National Championships shouldn't be dependent on a minimum number of riders turning up?

190 entrants is far too few to run a national championship?

How many were expected?

It is if it's a commercial venture...

No one was complaining about rules at Grisedale! numbers were down though 10-20% less at the first 2 rounds this year, so I think the insurance thing and how it was handled has put people off.
Its also a week after megavalanche and clashes with EWS in France, which at least some are attending.
Also due to its nature some people are racing with DH or XC national champs that weekend too!
Fortunately they'v been able to up the tech level
As BC have pulled out of enduro I suppose numbers matter even more now- 250 to break even according to fb and 350 people max ?
It's a hard sport to get right EWS Tweedlove this year was a bit of a disappointment; they'd taken out the hardest trails, put in a very unpopular pedally one and then pulled 2 stages, including the unpopular one due to weather

Vid from Grizedale

Entry fee sounds fine, its my hobby after all. Full face I agree with. However the insurance sounds a faff "[i]Bespoke Financial Ltd contact them now using the form below and they will call you with a quote.” [/i] and all the locations sound too far away.
I'm out I'm afraid, will stick to grassroots events.

I'll try again..

Kimbers, do you work for UKGE?

A shame, but surely not unexpected given the insurance business earlier in the year. That plus clashes with other races and it's no wonder they're struggling.

Last years mini enduros were spot on - shame they've now all moved down South Wales.

S'pose though if they're struggling with numbers and quality of riders its a good chance to get a good result 🙂

I really hope this happens. I don't think price is the issue, UKGE just need to tell more people about this event not everyone on FB

munrobiker - Member
Kimbers, do you work for UKGE?

ha! Im a paying punter, I just genuinely think its the best* (and best vfm) enduro series out there, though ive not ridden any Red Kite or SES races

and I want to share the love with everyone else

*best racing that is, their communication/PR needs some work!!

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snorkelsucker, the fast boys are still there, Dan Athertons doing the Nat Champs over EWS

It'll be a bloody shame if it doesn't come off, Steve's had a couple of tilts at this already and the timing always seems to cut him. Location's right, price is more than reasonable for what you get...

Trouble is, everyone has to plan big events like this so far in advance, with all sorts of demands and conflicts. The conflict between dh and enduro nationals is massive though, I just can't see how that's a good idea. I suppose even if he gets the numbers to go ahead it'll be pretty undermined if many of the top riders are elsewhere.

I dont think theres too much overlap between the top DHers and Enduro riders these days, its too specialised now, training for 5 stages accross a 40 K loop is quite different from 2 days of solid riding on 1 course
more likely to affect the weekend warriors who might have done both

the EWS Samoens clash is probably taking more of the top riders away, though

The prospect of 5 (difficult) stages, over 40k, twice in 2 days if you want to practise, has possibly led to the weekend warriors (like me) to think 'er.....'

Which is only right and proper for the national champs, but with the weekend warriors staying at home, is it any surprise that attendance is a bit low?

(Although approx' 200 racers doesn't sound too shabby to me...)

200 people isn't too bad but its down on previous series rounds at dyfi

Last round had 260 which is one of the lowest ever and a real shame as it was such a good one
https://www.rootsandrain.com/organiser40/uk-gravity-enduro/

Numbers do seem to fluctuate, if the enduro federation happens next year or BC step back in hopefully the nat champs would get better advertising

And as awhiles says it is a tough 2-3 days riding, but if I can manage it, can't be too hard !

Unless you're northern the drives are long this year. Add 5 x £70 entry fees across the series and extra leave needed an extra event on its own is something people dont seem that fussed on? Essentially £800 - £1000 to race the series for me...

Perhaps if it was part of the series they would have more entries. And it's peak holiday time...

kimbers - Member

more likely to affect the weekend warriors who might have done both

That's exactly who they need to get onboard tbh, we pay for it all 😆

what do people expect.
£70 +£17 is a piss take.

There are too many events now with many trying to make big bucks.
It's a shame IMO that it's turned into a money machine.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-33267616

From some memories

Timing is bad, not just the Mega/EWS/DH side of things, start of the Holiday season, lots of the target audience will be out playing in the alps.
There may also be people waiting to see how they survive the mega before committing (I've not come back able to ride hard a week later). The late July DH races always seemed a bit down especially on regulars.

Some of the previous comms did seem to alienate the weekend warrior many may have walked away and not be interested.

So, out of curiosity, is this event claiming to be the British Champs, and if yes, who decided this was the Champs anyway ? There is no governing body, nobody to award the right to run the champs are such, no official standards to which the Champs event has to comply. Theoretically, I could order some medals, print up some posters, and run an event called the British Enduro Champs. Not going to, well not this year anyway, although there is no reason why not to, just wondering if there is an formal process or does somebody just declare themselves ?

Remember a few years ago when about 10 events were calling themselves the World 24 Hour MTB champs, one couldn't spit without hitting a 24hr world champion.

In fact sod it - next weekend - British Enduro Champs at Innerleithen. I have entered. Entries are now closed. Results next week...

Actually, Northwind you can have an entry too. Might as well have a male champion, make it look good.

Yup hels as BC bailed on the sport just as it was beconoing popular its left to people who actually care about enduro to put one on

I dont really care whats the event calls itself. I entered with the assumption that it will be the longest, steepest and toughest gravity enduro within a weekend away distance for me (south coast). Calling it the champs, can only better the chances of that. The location is perfect for this as well.

Excuse me, but you'll find its in Stockton and I'll be the male champ.

If you have money to spaff up the wall and want to ride decent trails why not book a train to Glasgow then Ride one of the SES rounds? Book far enough in advance and I bet you could get a train ticket and your £50 race entry for less that the UKGE entry and insurance.

If you have money to spaff up the wall and want to ride decent trails why not book a train to Glasgow then Ride one of the SES rounds?

hels - Member

So, out of curiosity, is this event claiming to be the British Champs, and if yes, who decided this was the Champs anyway ? There is no governing body, nobody to award the right to run the champs are such, no official standards to which the Champs event has to comply. Theoretically, I could order some medals, print up some posters, and run an event called the British Enduro Champs. Not going to, well not this year anyway, although there is no reason why not to, just wondering if there is an formal process or does somebody just declare themselves ?

Remember a few years ago when about 10 events were calling themselves the World 24 Hour MTB champs, one couldn't spit without hitting a 24hr world champion.

In fact sod it - next weekend - British Enduro Champs at Innerleithen. I have entered. Entries are now closed. Results next week...

UKGE Put the question to the panel of enduro race organisers. No one objected.

In my opinion as a race organiser and a racer, UKGE are best place to organise the Endruo Champs in 2015.

Hels do you work for BC?

No I don't work for BC.

Who was on this panel of organisers ?

Sounds to me like a bunch of blokes in the pub giving each other the special handshake, like a cartel. Come back BC - all is forgiven...

No I don't work for BC.

Who was on this panel of organisers?

EWS
UKGE
Mini Enduro
NDH
QECP (Me)
SES
nofuss
tweedlove
redkite
WES
PMBA
WGES

If you have money to spaff up the wall and want to ride decent trails why not book a train to Glasgow then Ride one of the SES rounds? Book far enough in advance and I bet you could get a train ticket and your £50 race entry for less that the UKGE entry and insurance.

Really? You show me the maths. (include race entry, accom (assuming you arent carrying a tent as well as your bike/spares/clothing, travel to/from train station with kit etc etc)

(Well you are double counting a bit there - EWS in UK is run by Tweedlove, and SES and No Fuss are essentially the same organisation)

My point is that it is all self-proclaimed, if somebody came along and called something the British Enduro Champs they would be within their rights to do that. Has this cartel agreed on any rules or standards for being in the club ?