[Closed] Can of worm, would you:

Rented bikes? Just cause you're rich doesn't mean you're an experienced rider/not stupid.

Get over yourself. 🙄

Traveling (very) light?
We've done this at GT were there are seven of us and no need to carry seven pumps, seven multi tools etc.

Who cares?

So where is the tipping point for you for getting help in terms of value of bike? Carrera-Yes, Boardman No? Nichmongers to provide for themselves (actually that does sound reasonable!).

Naaa - I help anyone and everyone me- what comes around goes around, karma, just being British etc etc

Normally yes, but after the last few threads with people laughing at us saps who carry everything round with us I'm less inclined.

We have all forgotten stuff, if your out with nothing then that's just unprepared. If you are you and have forgotten just make sure you sit down and empty your entire bad out so everyone knows you not just planning to travel light and freeload.

We've done this at GT were there are seven of us and no need to carry seven pumps, seven multi tools etc.

And it's never the guy at the back who has a pump.....

I'd help anyone on the trails and hope others would help me.

At Llandelga on Sunday my mate taco'd his front wheel, I carry tubes, Allen keys, chain link remover etc even a spare tyre but not a spoke key (yes they're cheap & light but don't have one as lbs sort my wheels) fortunately one guy lent us his allowing us to loosen the spokes and another guy helped to straighten it out as much as possible allowing my mate to stumble back down the fire road. Without the support of others it would have been a long walk back to the centre.

Fair enough if I was passing on a folding tyre worth £30-£40 I'd probably agree someone replace it/pay for it at a later date but being stranded is a pain not to mention wrecking a days ridding.

On that note big thank-you if it was you who helped 🙂

what nick said.

I don't mind helping people on a general basis

Except when their bike is better than yours?

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....or it doesn't really work.

I suspect that when you can spend that much on bike and gear, surely you can spend a little more on a pump a multitool and a spare tube?

they are rich but so terribly terribly lonely, begging for inner tubes is really a desperate bid for friendship.

Thats how its starts. How it ends though is a lot like Kathy Bates in 'Misery'

Hmmmm, interesting question....

If I see someone that looks like they might need a hand I'll usually ask if theyre ok. However if I see someone with nothing except a bike I generally won't offer. If they can't be bothered to carry anything then I don't see those that do should support them..

I always carry all the bits I'll need on a ride and will help anyone who needs it, my mates know I carry everything and the kitchen sink so quite often leave things in the car or at home. I can see where you're coming from though , we live very close to Leeds/Bradford airport and a neighbour has mares who leave their 50K+ cars on our street rather than pay for secure parking at the airport making parking difficult for the peoplethat live here. Over the silverstone weekend there were 2 M5's a top of the range Q7 and a couple of works BMW ones (not mini's !! ).

on our street

Is it not a public road?

Similar issue with us at times, but they have every right to park.

I always thought MTB was about self sufficiency, you know the people complaining when they introduced pits into racing?

Sorry you got yourself into a situation get yourself out*. How else do you learn but from mistakes.

*does not apply if you have injured broken yourself

... Got it now... Perhaps they can afford expensive bikes because they don't squander money on insignificant things like pumps and tools and food etc... Someone else will always step in with assistance, always.

I agree in a sense but I'd not help the poor on their on-ones, if you can't afford an expensive bike then I don't see why I should help you. Peasants.

Yep, I always ask folk if they're ok. Have stopped the car to help several times too, leant a chain tool to some bloke walking, and have leant a track pump to people who've punctured. Takes me 10 seconds and saves them struggling with a mini pump.

Don't really get the 'if you don't carry it I won't lend it to you' attitude 😕

Where can i buy a can of worms,what do they do?

sparkyrhino - I'd lend you one, but you'd have to own the right sort of can opener.

I would generally help but I do get the point about people that just expect someone else will sort them out so CBA carrying anything.

Isn't it more constructive to stop, help, and say 'you really should carry your own stuff', rather tha ignore, so the person on their first proper MTB ride just thinks you're rude?

Where can i buy a can of worms,what do they do?

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_of_Worms ]Essential for this i would have thought.[/url]

Number of times ive left my pump at home in the car on the other bike. Ill always help someone out on the trails.

You need to ask yourself WWJD:

“A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have."

You mean not everyone carries a full size stand and workshop around with them in those enormous ruck sacks everyone seems to need? And if not, what the heck do you put in them?

And if not, what the heck do you put in them?

Cake and Haribo.

I lent a multi-tool to a guy who needed to get his pedal off. The pedal was on supa tight and he snapped the tool in half and handed it back without saying a word. I'd still lend out stuff to riders in need, but not to him again.

I did once stop on the road to help a bloke who'd broken his chain, had a tool, but didn't have a clue how to use it. I did it, but snapped the tool rejoining the chain. I felt really bad, but he was fine, was no worse off than before!

I was also out a few weeks ago, had half joined in with a group for a few miles, chatting to them etc, left them on one of the climbs, broke my chain at the top. Luckily had a chain tool, which I rarely carry on the road, but only 2 of the 8 guys asked if I was alright, the others just rode straight past!

I always ask if they look in trouble, but last time at Afan we lent a tube to a group who'd 'run' out (Skyline descent, so on their way back). Said to them to just sling a tube on the car when they got back to the cafe (we had a 'distinct' car).

I saw them get back, and then pack. Just as they were driving away I walked over and asked for our tube back...

One of them ran inside to the shop to buy one. 🙄

I'd say "Sling your hook, loser!".
In fact it would probably be shouted at them as I sped past on another Strava run.

Stop and help, why not did this yesterday a young couple trying to mend a puncture (5 minutes). At Llandegla dad and son mangled chain (45 minutes). Karma 🙂

I'd always help, but it does wind me up a bit when people can't be bothered to sort themselves out. Just like backpacking/climbing/touring etc., in my view the ethos is that you sort yourself out with your own kit, make sure you've got what you need, and don't rely on others to do it for you- it just seems like bad form.

Obviously there's no accounting for sometimes forgetting stuff, or finding out that something's failed when you come to use it. A couple of years ago I got a right lecture off the bloke at the bike hire place near Ladybower when I asked to borrow a pump- I always have one but after a particularly long spell without punctures the bit that makes the seal had dried up or perished or something and it wouldn't work at all!

It all depends on how much trouble someones in really. Theres a certain amount help I'll give to someone to save them pushing back to the carpark. But I've taken the chain of my bike off and given it to cycle tourist in the hebrides who was in trouble.

Yesterday morning I lent some tools to my neighbour.

Yesterday afternoon I broke my road bike and was sat by the side of the road waiting for my wife to pick me up. Every single cyclist who rode past stopped and asked if I was OK.

I trashed my rear wheel on a road ride in the peak, a bloke in a van stopped to see if i needed any assistance. As my rim had split in two there was no saving it, but he offered me and bike a lift back to north manchester, and wouldn't take any money for petrol etc, he said he had nowt on and was happy to do someone a favour. I'm glad he didn't mind the fact i was on a pricey bike.

smell_it - to be fair to Juan, a catastrophic failure isn't quite what he's talking about. Pricey bike or not.

I've stopped mid "race" to help someone fix a bike.
It's what you do isn't it.

Rickos - fair enough, but the chap who stopped had no idea how serious it was and just stopped to ask if i needed any help. In fact, i tried to tell him all was in hand, as i'd nearly pushed my way into buxton, with the intention of picking up some clothes and a hotel room, and going to some outdoor event type thing as it was a glorious day, and i could get a wheel sorted in the morning. But he engaged me in further conversation and in no time were heading back to manchester.

I actually quite enjoy helping people. A Thankyou is nice, but not always forthcoming.

Fixing bikes is part of the fun for me, but not for all. We have a load of kids (16-18) in our ride group. To start with, none of them even had a tube. Now they all carry a tube/pump/tool and do a lot of their own spannering at home too.

Euro rider content.

A Thankyou is nice, but not always forthcoming.

Really? How depressing!

When I see someone with mechanicals, I'll always ask if they've got everything they need, unless it's obvious they are sorted.

I'll loan stuff to anyone, tbh I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't. But when it comes to giving stuff away I do tend to apply a little thought including "Should you know better". So the family we bumped into at Nant y Arian with the puncture and no tubes or pump- they can have a tube to get them home, and a bit of advice fixing the bikes up too while we're at it.

But the guy on the £5000 bike at glentress walking down the fire-road with a flat, sorry chap, you can walk. Either you should have known better, or you will by the end of today.

Well bear in mind people, I am not talking on helping a fellow rider out on a trail. I am talking on a ski resort with people who don't even carry water. So basically the worst that can happen to then is to take the lift down again or a walk down to the car park.

I'll loan stuff to anyone, tbh I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't. But when it comes to giving stuff away I do tend to apply a little thought including "Should you know better". So the family we bumped into at Nant y Arian with the puncture and no tubes or pump- they can have a tube to get them home, and a bit of advice fixing the bikes up too while we're at it.

But the guy on the £5000 bike at glentress walking down the fire-road with a flat, sorry chap, you can walk. Either you should have known better, or you will by the end of today.

I can't believe how many ****s there are on this thread. I always try and help out a fellow cyclist if I can.

it is singletrackworld and it's not like you're new here

3 things put me off lending tools ,

1,working at a house, plumber asked to borrow electric drill, i said yes, 10 mins latter, he gave it back he had been using it to drill a large core out of a brick wall for a tumble dryer vent, his comment i think your drills crap and is smoking was enough never to lend a drill again,

2,stopped to help a roadie who asked to borrow a pump, he undid the valve fully and the end ofthe pump shot out to which he gave it a good shove back and bent the pump in half, saying i think its broke.

3, stoped to help a fellow so called cyclist, on a cycle path fix a puncture, as i was fixing his puncture looked round and he was riding off on MY bike, chased him and grabbed bike, he fell off, he wasnt happy so rode back and threw his wheel over the large hedge, which made him more unhappy.

There are some fools who dont care about others tools and dont buy their own.

it is singletrackworld and it's not like you're new here

You're right, I should know better. Still disappointing though.

I actually quite enjoy helping people

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I'd say "Sling your hook, loser!".
In fact it would probably be shouted at them as I sped past on another Strava run.

PMSL.
+1 for Njee20 and similar. Really saddened to think/hear people would consider not stopping. I believe in karma in as much as if everybody treated others as they hoped to be treated, we'd all be in a better place. We're not even just talking about general man in the street, we're talking about someone with a similar passion and interest, a kindred spirit. If we can't help each other out where are we? 😕

Juan, when your'e crashed with a bust collar bone, are you expecting the guy you left to walk back to the resort to get a tool before continuing his day's riding to turn the other cheek and help you out? Just a thought, like.

Well can't the guy carry it's own tools? And of course if someone is injured I'll help. Same goes on a real trail with mechanical, I'll help I might even consider helping roadies although maybe not;-p. And I return the question to you crashtestmonkey, will the guy I lend my tool too, slow down be courteous and don't try to push my GF of the side of the green/blue track when he goes down?
I am just saying that you should be prepared, specially if mtbing is your thing...

You've all got me thinking now. I can't actually remember the last time I needed tools on a ride. Puntures can be repaired without and when the bike in is good condition and ridden well, what can go wrong?
I might start saving a bit of weight now, cheers guys.

Stopped in a race to help a lady swap a mech hanger .
Stopped car on way home from a ride to help a roadie doing the 'postie scoot' as he had snapped a chain .
Usually first in group to get stuck in and help. Normally much faster if you find your tube in the bottom of pack, unravel it and stick in a few pumps of air to give it some shape. in the meantime I have the old tube out and checked tyre for FOD.
A group of riders on holiday with no tools? Tourists or day trippers probably , and yes I would stop, but I normally ask if help is required . Be rather rude to ask then ride off saying 'Eat my dust loosers'

There are some fools who dont care about others [s]tools and dont buy their own.[/s]

Even if I'm not able to help (ie I'm not giving someone my sole tube if I'm on a 5 hour ride) I'll still stop and say 'I'm really sorry I've only got the one' or see if they want to phone someone or something.

I find it a bit sad that So many people are such knobs frankly, not surprised mind.

I usually ride in a group an my mates are less prepared than i so im the kitchen sink kind (there getting better ) we have a few things between us all to get us going if im in said group an come across some one who needs help I'll normally give it as i have the comfort that my friends can look after my bike if i was on my own tho id be a bit put off the idea of stopping as i dont know if as soon as i get off my bike he\she is gonna nick it leaving me with some supermarket special. .... Could happen?

I find it a bit sad that So many people are such knobs frankly, not surprised mind.

Yes nobbish not to stop but also nobbish to expect other people to always sort you out (when you are experienced enough to know better), and to be ungrateful when they do.

Yes I agree, but I'm personally not so bitter and resentful as to not help people because they may not be thankful. For all you know they lent their last tube to someone else who was unprepared.

For all you know they lent their last tube to someone else who was unprepared.

nope they were not. They weren't even carrying water with them.