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I've ordered a 29er front wheel for my hardtail to give the mullet thing a try. 35mm rims front and rear. Currently 27.5 X 2.6 DHF front and 27.5 X 2.6 Dissector rear. There's nothing "wrong" with the current set up. On the contrary I really like it. But I fancy trying out an alternative. I think the thing I like is the 2.6 width on the wide rims and what that does, rather than necessarily the tread patterns.

I'm kind of thinking to put a 2.6 tyre on the 29 front as well, rather than going thinner than the back. Exo strength carcass would do on this bike and I like stuff like DHR/DHF - grippy all year tyres I suppose. Don't mind it a bit draggy on the front but I think a seriously heavy tyre would be counterproductive. Don't care what brand. There are a few tyres listed in the size but I'm struggling find UK stock. Anyone got any recommendations?


 
Posted : 15/03/2021 8:31 pm
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The specialized store have a few options showing as in stock. I run one of the eliminators on the front of my hardtail and have been getting on pretty well with it for local sandy/loose over hard trails. Was thinking about moving the eliminator to the back and sticking a butcher on the front over the winter but I seem to have just about survived with the slaughter on the rear so far and may just leave them as they are now.

https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/butcher-grid-trail-2bliss-ready/p/173629?color=272200-173629&searchText=00120-0014

https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/butcher-grid-2bliss-ready-t7/p/187434?color=300880-187434&searchText=00121-0012

https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/eliminator-grid-trail-2bliss-ready/p/173627?color=272180-173627&searchText=00120-3244


 
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Interesting. Thanks. @bigginge I'm not clear on the specialized compounds and carcasses - are those two Butchers different carcasses? "Grid" Vs "Grid Trail"? One also quoted the T7 compound while the other just says "Gripton". Sorry - another tyre manufacturer means a while new set of jargon... Trail carcass sounds right but since the quoted weights are about the same I guess they're the same on that front, in which case I'd pick the softer of the two for a front tyre I guess.


 
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I’m afraid I’ve not quite worked out what’s going on with the new specialised tyre line up yet. NSMB have a review of the new butcher up which covers some of the new tech (link below) so may be worth a look. Though their tyres seem to be slightly different to the ones in the links above.

https://nsmb.com/articles/specialized-butcher-t9-tires/

Edit: forgot to add all the ones I have are the older gripton rubber with grid casings.


 
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There’s a couple of eBay sellers with 29x2.6 Minion DHF/R in stock


 
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Are your forks 29" or 27.5"? Have you checked you'll have enough tyre clearance?


 
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A few options then although a pretty restricted range. Magic Mary is another, and maybe what I'd most like to try, but can't find stock. WTB Vigilante another one? I can't immediately see UK stock for that in suitable specs either.

It looks to me like the Grid Trail T9 is the spec of choice for a Butcher on the front. It exists in 29x2.6 and is a good deal in Germany but I can't see it in the UK. And reviews suggest big differences between the old grid trail and the new ones with the T- compounds. So there's the mid hardness T7 Butcher or a dual compound DHF available but ideally I'd like T9 or Maxx Grip on the front I think.

My fork is a 29 Pike. Boost, current spec. Whether a proper "plus" tyre would fit on 29 I don't know but I'm assuming a 2.6 should.

Frustrating that without Brexit there'd have still been a reasonable selection of good tyres available despite covid.


 
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If you have a Dissector on the back, try one on the front too. I recently replaced a 2.5 DHF with a 2.4 Dissector and very happy with it. Lighter, rolls slightly better, great cornering grip, and probably better braking too.


 
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Where do you (mostly) ride?


 
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Vittoria mazza 2.6? A few places have UK stock.

It's similar to a DHF, just newer.
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Ooh that Mazza could be the answer. Clearly suitable, there's stock and they don't offer a bewildering range of different compound choices so my simple brain stands a chance at the shopping bit. 👍

I don't fancy a Dissector up front. In fact I wouldn't go out of my way for another on the back. What I like about that tyre is, I think, about width, volume and how that works with a wide rim. I'm fairly insensitive to different tread patterns on the back, within reason, but not so much on the front where I care more about grip and very little about drag, and would leave something like DHR/DHF/Mazza/Mary on all year.

Thus far 90% of this bike's riding has been local forestry unofficial trails, Devon. Roots, soft at times but not claggy, flinty enough you want a bit of puncture resistance, some fairly steep stuff. It'll go further afield though at some point, when such extravagances come back. Occasional visitor to the Tweed Valley (family there).


 
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Yep there 2 versions of Vittoria trail/enduro tyres, the TNT which is trail (exo+ level protection with pinch flat inserts) and the TLR which is the enduro 2-ply casing.

All have 4 compound rubber. I've got a 2.6 mazza on my FS and love it, used mainly on natural terrain, rocks, roots, soft trails etc.

They're fairly fast rolling too even with the level of grip.


 
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Thanks @ta11pau1 I've gone for the Mazza trail.

Bit pricey but sounds just the job. And anyway pretty much the only option that was in stock with a compound you'd go for on the front, the right size, carcass etc. Will be interesting to see how I get on...


 
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"My fork is a 29 Pike. Boost, current spec. Whether a proper “plus” tyre would fit on 29 I don’t know but I’m assuming a 2.6 should."

Bags of room for a DHF29x2.6, enough room for a Mudhugger shorty too. Pike Boost and also F34 boost.

Even a MASSIVE DHF29x3 will fit, but annoyingly it will buzz under compression, damn!
but a Surly Dirt Wizard 29x3 will fit either fork! (about 2.9 actual on i40 rim, importantly it is not as tall as the DHF)


 
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Mazza and 29er wheel fitted and ridden. Just the once but I have to say so far it seems bloody good. Whether that's diameter or tyre I've no idea. Conditions are lovely too, so it might be that.

2.6 Mazza 2-3mm narrower than a 2.6 DHF on the same rim.

Some of this may be newness but I think it's more aggressive than a DHF. Taller knobs maybe, or squarer, or something, and lots of cuts in them. Doesn't feel draggier to me but I guess if actual science was applied that might go the other way.


 
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