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I've seen one in the wild
ill bet you havent
I'm all for all these companies making stuff here in blighty Adrian and Burf and Tam theyr'e a great bunch and all trying to make good stuff
I've just googled the BTR Pinner. Hmmmm it reminds me of Canfield etc etc of mid-00's. Personally I'd go the Cotic route.
ill bet you havent
A real Man-Bet or Internet-Bet?
I'm all for all these companies making stuff here in blighty Adrian and Burf and Tam theyr'e a great bunch and all trying to make good stuff
Amen to that.
Any kind of bet you like
what are we betting again, that I haven't seen a Cotic Rocket in the wild?
Amen to that.
Definitely +a million
We need more people willing to give this kind of stuff a go and build decent stuff locally and willing to try and build some new and interesting things 🙂
what are we betting again, that I haven't seen a Cotic Rocket in the wild?
not a UK produced one before you go off on ah well "I never said that did I"
haha, well I didn't say that did I? 😉
And no I haven't seen a UK produced one in the wild yet
They'll be worth the wait though I'm sure
The lesser spotted Cotic Rocket in the wild although it's not the elusive UK origin species
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Oooh! Is that one mine?
How are you liking the Slants on it brunse11?
Do they match the poppyness of the rear?
Ah no, [i]that one[/i] isn't mine, I was referring to Mike's pic!
How do you know that one's yours?
Nice to see it being built, I bet!
I don't... but it might be. I'm just sitting in a bubble of excitement.
How are you liking the Slants on it brunse11?
Do they match the poppyness of the rear?
The Slants suit the frame very well. They sit high in their travel and have a nice progressive feel. I'm yet to find a situation they don't really like. Great forks for the money. Might try them at 150mm some time, currently set at stock 160mm travel.
a bubble of excitement
That's a great way to describe the Cotic. Engaging, fun and exciting to ride.
That sounds good. Currently on a BFe (thanks Cy) which is wearing all the parts destined for the rocket. BFe is a right bloody laugh I'll tell you.
How is the UK mfg going? Wasn't there a splitting of the ways?
hmm, BTR offering the Pinner as 650b OR 26er now...
[url= https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/btrfabrications/btr-pinner-the-full-suspension-mountainbike-for-ev/posts ]Kickstarter update[/url]
This Kickstarter thing? Does it mean they wont be making anything if they don't get backers, seems not a lot of people are prepared to put their money where their mouth is Pinkbike generated 170 odd comments but no one bought one?
So, which semi-fictional British mountain bike is best?
Is it the YT Capra?
This Kickstarter thing? Does it mean they wont be making anything if they don't get backers
They would still be able to do custom one-offs, but it means without the Kickstarter funding they don't have the up front money to get a batch of the linkages machined or order a batch of CCDBA shocks so would more expensive. (probably too expensive for some)
The KS thing is to try and raise some money up front to get a batch going, they've already built a couple for customers already.
[url= http://www.btr-fabrications.com/support-and-faq/pinner-faq/ ]http://www.btr-fabrications.com/support-and-faq/pinner-faq/[/url]
They would still be able to do custom one-offs, but it means without the Kickstarter funding they don't have the up front money to get a batch of the linkages machined or order a batch of CCDBA shocks so would more expensive. (probably too expensive for some)The KS thing is to try and raise some money up front to get a batch going, they've already built a couple for customers already.
Would it not be wise to just stick to doing one offs at that price, considering the news its now available on the 650b bandwagon ,actually going back to my previous comment/Q regards money and mouth ,I can see why, I thought there were loads of them already out there in 26" the PR says there's actually only 1 in existence and that is a 26" inch bike,
Thats the thing though isn't it, they've been building hardtails for a few years, and have done a few one-off full suss frames for people including the proto for the Pinner, and feedback from everyone has been good. they're now at the stage where they'd like to produce more but need cash up front, so have decided to try KS to raise the money, otherwise it will be carry on with custom stuff or find an alternative source of income.
You can't really knock them for trying to get a small batch run off the ground this way.
It'll be interesting to see how the Swarf frame goes into production too, as I guess there may be similar financial issues to work around there too unless he has funding in place or plans on staying on a one-off custom basis too.
How is the UK mfg going? Wasn't there a splitting of the ways?
Ayup Gary aye hindsightrs a wonderful thing i should have binned the project back then its amazing what you find out through a 3rd party though,
That BTR Pinner I mean seriously a frame for £2500 made of cheapo steel, gotta be mad to buy that.
So are these Cotic Rockets still been made in the UK by bike manufacturing?
Bicycle manufacturing does not seem to be flavour of the month anymore, whilst its not officially gone pop yet its legs are wobbling
However I'm sure the pat on the back for having a go will fall on cy turners shoulders and the blame failure on mine and the saviour of it on another builders shoulders who he would pay for actually doing work
uh-oh
oooooh dear, this doesn't sound good at all.
Can I say with confidence that I made the right decision to stop waiting for the Rocket back in November...?
I'm gonna give my Spitfire an extra hug this evening when I put it to bed.
Mmel + 1.
That BTR Pinner I mean seriously a frame for £2500 made of cheapo steel, gotta be mad to buy that.
Bang on, hence why thay only have one deposit for a frame on kickstarter (even at the "special kickstarter bargain" price of £2200) and the campaign failed.
Shame, they seem like a good bunch but that price for that frame is ludicrous. If you can't make something for a reasonable/competitive cost then it's a loser I'm afraid.
Oh no! What's gone wrong???
Sounds like Cy Turner has gone elsewhere and he won't pay Mike?
I thought it was a joint venture?
That BTR Pinner I mean seriously a frame for £2500 made of cheapo steel, gotta be mad to buy that
The raw materials cost is a tiny fraction of the total, have you ever looked at how much CF actually costs for just the materials?
It's all in the labour and R+D, ~2K is the same as you'd pay for any custom built full suss frame with a CCDB whatever the material.
Bang on, hence why thay only have one deposit for a frame on kickstarter (even at the "special kickstarter bargain" price of £2200) and the campaign failed.
Didn't it hit about 6.5k at the end? Must have been at least a few deposits there, if they had let it run longer and pitched at 2k or less then it might have had more luck, perhaps offering it with a cheaper shock instead of the CCDB might have kept the cost down too...
Anyone else been keeping an eye on the Swarf news, the Curves are looking really swish 🙂
Not sure what the final cost of the Curve is going to be but it's funny how >2.5 K for a Santa Cruz/Spesh/etc. which is mass produced and is not custom at all and nobody bats an eyelid, but proper custom low volume frames and suddenly people think it's not worth it, is it a big company vs little thing?
Intrigued to know more about what's going on with the Cotic Rocket/BM story though!
Didn't it hit about 6.5k at the end? Must have been at least a few deposits there, if they had let it run longer and pitched at 2k or less then it might have had more luck, perhaps offering it with a cheaper shock instead of the CCDB might have kept the cost down too...
No mate, only one of the available deposit or BIN options was purchased.
To be fair £2.5k for full custom individual geometry isn't bad, even if it is steel. For a standard steel frame (even with a little bit of carbone) £2.5k is ridiculous.
No mate, only one of the available deposit or BIN options was purchased
So it was, just had a look, shame, lots of backing on the smaller pledges though.
Pretty sure both the BTR and Swarf frames are available with full custom geometry if that's what you want.
Anyway, anyone got more info news on the MB/Cotic thing?
Was hoping to see some UK built Rockets appearing by now...
I'm also intrigued, I was looking forward to the new Rocket and really excited at the what Cy was doing...
I really hope it all ends well.
Well if you look at mickmcd's flickr account [url] https://www.flickr.com/photos/compositepro/14600920078 [/url] there is a picture of a Rocket frame saying that this is the only one that will be built there. Leads one to assume that they're no longer working together.
Having a look at all the other pictures it looks like a lot of work and time had been put in too.
Just caught this thread from a while back;
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cotic-rocket-to-be-uk-made
Si's comments;
Today we are announcing the from now on all Cotic full suspension frame production is happening in the UK, built at a new production facility I have co-founded. This factory is Bicycle Manufacturing Limited, or BML for short. Does what it says on the tin!
About 2 years ago I met Mike McDermid, who is my partner in BML and the manufacturing brains of the operation.We began working on this project after it became clear to Mike that using the latest automated techniques and equipment combined with high skilled hand made production, it would be possible to be competitive on price with Far Eastern supply on high end products with a flexible, high quality UK operation.
Mikes comments;
Bicycle manufacturing does not seem to be flavour of the month anymore, whilst its not officially gone pop yet its legs are wobblingHowever I'm sure the pat on the back for having a go will fall on cy turners shoulders and the blame failure on mine and the saviour of it on another builders shoulders who he would pay for actually doing work
Did Cy co-found and establish BML only to let it die? What happened to all of the expensive equipment? Is it being sold off?
Sounds like Cy Turner has gone elsewhere and he won't pay Mike?
no nothing like that at all completely the opposite hes put a lot of time and money in ,in personal terms however for 18 months work one of my p60s looks like a monthly pay check for some so yes you have to draw a line somewhere
The UK made Rockets will still be happening from the conversation I just had ONLY THEY WILL BE MADE BY HAND the first one was assembled yesterday it went together with the precision of a swiss watch
precision of a swiss watch
bah! we don't want any of that Swiss nonsense, we want good old fashioned British precision, that's the whole point! 🙂
Glad to hear they will still be being made, fingers crossed it works out well for all involved.
Agreedfingers crossed it works out well for all involved.
Rick Draper
So are these Cotic Rockets still been made in the UK by bike manufacturing?
Please tell me you're not thinking of another new bike?????