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Brant, don’t pay him, if you really want to then give the money to his brother.
He’s the only one with any evidence of a problem.
This is true to be fair! 🙂 I think I had more than one conversation with Brant about it many moons ago too.
This was mine after a year riding. I replaced the middle chainring at the first sign of chain suck (Think I did 3) and this happened
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This was the new stay I had put in at Argos Cycles, cost me about £220 with the paint if I recall correctly
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And it's still running with that stay virtually unmarked
Then it developed a crack in the seat tube
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Which I had welded up and sprayed again, just a £60 powder coat this time, but back to blue. This is what it looks like now....
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Ohhh! Nearly forgot.... At 2 weeks old I did this to it, stick through the back wheels 🙁
I fixed this myself, and I've since fixed another nearly identical for a mate!
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It's proper been through the wars that frame but I love it. It's had rigid, 100mm, 120mm, 130mm ,140mm forks on it, it's been an MTB, single speed, tourer, commuter (rack and mudguards, the lot) and I've spent probably about £50-£100 more on repairing it than I did the original frame! But it's still going, I don't ride it a lot and other bikes have come and gone (Carbon 456, 853 Saracen Kili Flyer, Trek Stache) and I'll never, ever sell it. 🙂
It's been through the wars
Not trying to derail the thread but what happened to Peterpoddy. He used to be all over this forum.
Still here. More of a lurker these days though, I look once a day at least but I've got better things to do mostly and I don't sit at a desk all day any more, I fix bikes for a living now. 🙂
EDIT
In a strange coincidence I was offered an interview at On-One a few months ago, but I'd just started another job closer to home... 🙂
This thread started off okay but went off on a tangent. If Brant is back at On One I'm looking forward to the next batch of products with comedy names.
If Brant is back at On One I’m looking forward to the next batch of products with comedy names.
A new 456 with no improved chainstay as there's nothing wrong with the 9 year old version, and cashback with every purchase? What to call it? Newrobdob Edition? 😂😂😂
Brant, If they do an e-bike, given that they are Yorkshire based, please call it the Um
andtrm
A new 456 with no improved chainstay as there’s nothing wrong with the 9 year old version, and cashback with every purchase? What to call it? Newrobdob Edition?
Yeah, we need names that have continuity.
So for the successor to the Pompino - the Swallow.
For the Inbred - the Mutant
I'm sure STW can help out the O-O marketting dept with other suitable choices... 🙂
For the first couple couple of years I took the bike names at face value until someone in the bike club explained them.
An e bike pompino could be called an autopompino. That way it gives a nod to its heritage but still let's you know its an e bike. Come on, who wouldn't try an autopompino at least once? 🤔
Brant, I still adore my ti 456 evo and have spent countless wonderful hours on it.
can I buy you beer and curry if you’re ever In Hong Kong ?!
Frankly I am stunned that this money was accepted, is there anyway to block a forum member so I have no way of accidentally dealing with them<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">i in future?</span>
I can't believe he accepted the money either. Got to be some bad karma in his future for that!
I can’t believe he accepted the money either. Got to be some bad karma in his future for that!
If newrobdob has any self respect at all, he needs to pay back the money, or donate to charity, and apologise, or it's time to retire from the forum imo. I hope it was worth it for £250. On the other hand, Brant has gone up massively in my estimations, in terms of integrity and business savvy if nothing else.
I've no grudge to bear against Brant or on-one, and no doubt RobDob has acted weird but does no-one think it's od Brant popping into Rob's classified ad to state he needs to sort out an issue on a frame, and then saying how the new frames that on-one are selling will be improved?
but does no-one think it’s od Brant popping into Rob’s classified ad to state he needs to sort out an issue on a frame, and then saying how the new frames that on-one are selling will be improved?
I think there are too many examples of OO/PX frames with a fundamental design or manufacturing fault.
I must say I feel let down newrobdob.
Every time we happy On-One owners defended our decision to own an On-One, he instantly interceded and told us how our paint was going to fall off and our chainstays were going to disintegrate and if not, the sky would fall upon our heads.
Despite many owners pointing out they had owned, used and abused the bikes for several years without this happening, and if it did, so what, the bike was cheap and the pence per mile return was great, he ardently maintained his position .
He would not accept our argument that we knew at that price the bikes may not be perfect but we bought them with realistic expectations of what they were, good handling no frills bikes.
When he failed to convert us to his cause it usually ended up with us labelled as fanbois, which I believe is a category of punka wallah.
So I admired his vehement persistence and adherence to the cause of bringing down the repressive mighty O-O empire which, after all, is far from perfect.
Now I is disappoint. 🙁
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BTW Brant has played a blinder in restoring O-O's reputation. £250 was never better spent. This may end up in the business texts as the opposite of a Ratner moment. 🙂
Let's brainstorm on new products names:
Lady pleasurer (comfy seat post)
Wakey Lady (women's fat bike?)
Nah then
The Heathcliff
Big Unit or Pie Eater (men's fat bike)
The Misogynist (for the elderly gentleman's Sunday ride)
So, I've had a few on one frames, and always enjoyed them. The last was a 45650b which was great. But now, I've become accustomed to modern geometry, and their frames seem a bit dated for me personally.
I hope there will be some new designs soon.
I saw this thread start a few days ago and was amazed to see it run to 8 pages! The whole Robdob affair seems a little odd but to be fair he has a point on the frame being fundamentally flawed and whilst plenty of people seem to have an awful lot of money on this forum and can afford to just buy other stuff some people don't. It's seems some questionable behaviour from both sides but nice to see it resolved either way.
I've always thought of Brant as a bit of a legend and the way he would be active on this forum is something some other manufacturers could learn from. As for me, my Ragley blue pig was an amazing bike! I loved it. I've had others but it holds a real special place for me and was that bike that really allowed me to push my skills and make me the half decent rider that I am today. It took me to my first proper trips away, Various places in Wales, Fort William WC course as well. I was forced to sell it a few years back to make space but I couldn't see it go so sold it on the cheap to my friend who lives down the road, that way I still get to ride it!
Good luck Brant, perhaps you can bring OO/PX back from being cheap to being good value. There is a big difference and in today's times of biking becoming the new golf and people willing to spend insane amounts on fancy new standards etc.. , consequently driving the price of biking through the roof, there has never been a better time to offer some good quality and sensibly priced stuff to the rest of us.
John
Brant has played a blinder in restoring O-O’s reputation
Nah. Brant has restored Brants reputation (not that it really needed it).
Well this thread took a turn, highly amusing looking in from the outside
@Newrobdob I'm guessing you have the means to pass that cash on to your brother, might be the gentlemanly thing to do
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BTW Brant has played a blinder in restoring O-O’s reputation.
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I wonder what conversion Damascus was using…
*Probably “The Damascus’ theory that OO are shite”
* Disclaimer - This might be true these days 😂
However I rocked the single speed steely bitd and absolutely loved it. Although chainsuck on new Inbred was such a royal pita that that got moved on sharpish!
The Dirty Harry that suceeded those was my first foray into carbon frames and 29ers and wow! This think was quick, direct and comfortable except had some funky headset issues iirc but could have been the fork bung in the rigid carbons. :/
I honestly believe that Brant and fellow colleagues were doing it for the love and to create an opportunity out designing frames etc to begin with.
Later on down the line, it expands at such a rate so are we customers to partially blane for overloading them (probably not) just it’s like the old saying,
give them an inch, and they’ll... meaning in my context that the cheaper they offer something for, the more expectations a customer has.
Oh! I have never had a bad experience with them over the phone and Brant was instantly helpful bitd over a chain tug query.
👍 even though I should have returned that chain sucked new inbred frame.
Newrobdob I’m guessing you have the means to pass that cash on to your brother, might be the gentlemanly thing to do
God no. Nowt to do with me, I don’t wanna get involved in that up there! ^^ 😀
Clearly I'm a bit late to the party. My OO/PX experiences have all been great -shoot me now. Forks ,frames ,gloves, bib shorts, helmets, glasses, tubes,tyres,so many tyres,MTB,road,CX and commuter,pedals,tools,pumps, bags,tubeless tape and fluid,hats caps merino sweater etc etc.My 2008 "gas pipe"456 is still going strong,a great versatile design and was £120 including headset iirc.I rode it with a 120 and then a 160 fork for a few years then sold it for the much lauded Evil Sovereign in Tange rather than 853 flavour but still 3 times the price of the 456.By comparison it was heavy,dull and just didn't make me want to go out and ride like my 456. Suffice to say I sold the Sovereign and bought my old 456 back from the guy I had sold it to and still ride it now. If ever I win the Southcoast suspension win your dream bike draw I intend to eschew the carbon Santa Cruz bling ting and get 4 OO/PX offerings instead 🙂
Have been following the thread and thinking about it all my bikes excluding the full suss are on one/ planet x.
Like all my frames and but the newer geometry didn't suit me being tall, if and newer frame are drawn up consider longer and taller for xl. I find the 20" seat tube make the bike look strange with two foot of seat post sticking out.
Since designing and building my own bike i've much respect for any bike designers. Front triangles are fair simple but the bb area and joining rear triangle to the front whilst making the joint strong enough. The thought of doing it to a time limit, produced in another continent and to have every imperfection picked over is just not fun.
angeldust
If newrobdob has any self respect at all, he needs to pay back the money, or donate to charity, and apologise, or it’s time to retire from the forum imo
Don't you think the above is just a little bit over judgmental?
I mean, you seriously think he should leave the forum over this?
Come on.
I have no doubt that the inbred fault was a real thing, was accepted as such and rectified later. On One have been the Ryanair of bikes for years and they are what they are. The issue is that RobDob sold it on stating that the known problem was fine even though he would then bleat on about how not fine it was for years. Terrible form.
& on that note, BACK TO THE BRANT MOBILE ! 😆
Don’t you think the above is just a little bit over judgmental?
I mean, you seriously think he should leave the forum over thi<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">s?</span>
It sure puts the realman brakes saga in the shade
Coooome again ?
I mean, you seriously think he should leave the forum over this?
Certainly not! I think he should keep Brant's £250, and offer his opinion at every opportunity. It'll be much more fun. 😃
Confused here - error in not reading the whole thread and then reading the classified ad.
Has someone just been given a cash gift for something they bought nine years ago & said they had no problem with in the add thread?
Turns out it wasn't actually him that bought it. It was his brother in law.
The 2007 Inbred 29er that I still have in almost daily use as a commuter may be a bit scruffy in places but has done many thousands of miles rigid and at times suspended as a road and off-road commuter, sportif road bike, tourer, trailer tug and everything else. The paint hasn't lasted as well as the 'Barry White' finish on my 26" Inbred hill-commuter frame but that paint job is special; deep gloss black with gold flecks and after 8 years in that case, not a flake, crack or scrap of rust anywhere. Both have been stunning value over their life spans.
I've never been unhappy with O-O service or quality/value for money. I hope Brant can help breathe new life back into the organisation.
Brant Brant Brant - how long between you rejoicing and your designs becoming available to buy?
Hobnobrobber has went very quiet ?
Good to know the Gods of quixotism are alive and well on stw amongst some posters.
angeldust
If newrobdob has any self respect at all, he needs to pay back the money, or donate to charity, and apologise, or it’s time to retire from the forum imo
No, he's opinionated, his opinions are not always right but that never stops him which means he's perfect for stw.
I can't believe that anyone would seriously think it was okay to accept 250 pounds from the pocket of a former employee of a company that they'd felt had underperformed. To take the money in order to fix a problem with a completely different bike having sold the initial one whilst claiming to have no issues with it truly is underhand. Not too late to do the right thing and give the money back, unless you've already spent the money on some cheap upgrades for your new bike from Planet X / On-One 😉
Sometimes, this place is odd.
People are very odd.
Good luck Brant. Looking forward to seeing your new toys.
Me too.
Daughter has a newish Inbred and a PX Carbon roadie.
Bikes are ace, customer service variable, which isn't his fault. Quite the opposite in fact.
He's a nice bloke. He hasn't bought me a curry but he did give my Mrs a free torch at HtN which, coincidentally enough expired last week.
Any chance of a new one?
If OO were to take this thread and print it on a t-shirt I'd probably buy one in each colour.
Order about four sizes larger than you need, eh?
Just, you know....🙂
Like my td-1 longest surviving bike I reckon.
My summer season helds its own in the Alps as well
Wish id bought an early pomp rather than the tricross ss I did buy though 🙁