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Philfive - this is not in the lakes. this is in Scotland. Read the guidence I quoted.
To force walkers off the path is not acceptable. You have to give way to them.
oh god don't mention Dollywaggon to ol' TJ or he'll have a frikken embolism 🙁
hey Granville!! (AKA pennine)
crazy-legs - MemberTJ, it doesn't matter where the trail is.
Yes it does. Its in Scotland Read the guidance. Its not the same as a bridleway.
You are not being reasonable therefore have no right to access if you behave like that. Clear and simple.
I'm thinking of a colour and I'm thinking of two things you might find in a kitchen.
One starts with P and one starts with K.
Can you guess what they are?
decrying the fact that bike access in England and Wales is restricted
actually, it isn't, that's just a myth. I've been testing it for many years without let or hindrance...
penis and Klingon ??
crikey - Member
I'm thinking of a colour and I'm thinking of two things you might find in a kitchen.One starts with P and one starts with K.
Can you guess what they are?
/Pedant mode
Black isn't a colour
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I'm thinking of someone who propels cabers at highland games.
One starts with P and one starts with K.
Purple Koolaid
electric Koolaid?
TJ. That cuts both ways. For ANYONE to force anyone else off a public right of way is out of order. Be that a biker forcing s walker or the other way round. I've been forced off trails before by horse riders, walkers, 4x4s... Equally, I'm sure I could find a walker or 3 who can claim to have been forced off by a biker. Not right but it happens occasionally, almost always cos of people being stupid. Either the ones doing the forcing or the self righteous twunts who don't take the common sense approach and adopt the "I have right of way so I'm not moving".
I knew someone would say that!
How about I'm thinking of the other bit of a Zebra crossing that is not the white bit?
Err - I dunno what you are on about but the rest of us are discussing that Youtube video.crazy-legs - Member
TJ. That cuts both ways. For ANYONE to force anyone else off a public right of way is out of order. Be that a biker forcing s walker or the other way round. I've been forced off trails before by horse riders, walkers, 4x4s... Equally, I'm sure I could find a walker or 3 who can claim to have been forced off by a biker. Not right but it happens occasionally, almost always cos of people being stupid. Either the ones doing the forcing or the self righteous twunts who don't take the common sense approach and adopt the "I have right of way so I'm not moving".
not the white bit?
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No crazy legs - not in Scotland read the guidance. Cyclists have to give way to walkers. Numerous walkers were forced of the path by these idiots.
give other users advance warning of your presence and [b]give way to them on a narrow path[/b].
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Oh no, I forgot about Mr. Woppit!
but those rules are subjective, some poeple say they are riding with disregard others say they are fine. it's all open to interpretation.
Putting aside responsible access for a moment, why would you choose to do that? 'Because I can'?
It's just a crap idea.
Is the clue not in the name, "Guidance"?
exactly Paul.
why would you choose to do that?
I suppose because they wanted to, and they enjoyed it ?
I didn't think they were acting too badly. The video reminds me how that route up Ben Nevis is one of the most soul destroying paths in the country. Tower Ridge would have been a far more interesting descent!
That's from the Scottish Outdoor Access Code, a document which was drawn at the request of the Scottish Government up to outline what was and wasn't considered to be responsible access as defined by the Land Reform(Scotland) Act - i.e. it carries significant legal weight.paulrockliffe - Member
Is the clue not in the name, "Guidance"?
Phil / paul. the guidence makes up a part of the law in that its how your "responsible" access is defined. You have an absolute duty to give way to walkers on narrow paths, they did not do this. They were forcing walkers off the path
It are open to interpretation - but this is clearly a breach of the guidance thus the code. No way could riding like that be considered "giving way"
None of the folk who thing this acceptable are Scottish riders ( I think) who understand the Scottish consensus on land access
Quick look through the posting history of those saying they cant see the issue , they all seem to reside in england
All those sayng its stupid are living in scotland
pattern , i think so. Just like lager louts in marbella acting like its manchester on a friday night
Just keep pissing the locals off , knock your self out! As long as you have a good time and we are left picking up the pieces
All those sayng its stupid are living in scotland
pattern , i think so. Just like lager louts in marbella acting like its manchester on a friday night
Er.... I'm not in Scotland and I said it was stupid. Never been to Marbella either. Nice bit of anti-English stereotyping though. 🙄
PS Would that be Manchester on a Friday night when it's full of Rangers fans? 😉
Given that at least two of the "antis" are English (one may have forgotten that fact 🙂 ), I don't think you could accuse trail_rat of racial stereotyping.
Who are rangers ? You mean the newco surely ?
I can see the issue, I've never been to Marbella, I've been out in Manchester on a Friday night and I'm a Sagittarian.
Is this helping?
Possibly more useful than the previous post 🙂
lipseal - Member
How do you manage to get a 28 min video on utube?
If it's awesome enough smaller ones make way.
The CMD Arete has a lot of appeal.
Bloody stupid to ride it when it's so busy. Too close to too many walkers. Early morn/late eve only on The Ben IMO.
BUT,....
awesome water bar hopping skilz!
See Grum, another Scotland-based English person speaks up against irresponsible access..jojoA1 - Member
Bloody stupid to ride it when it's so busy. Too close to too many walkers. Early morn/late eve only on The Ben IMO.
Regardless of who should be giving way, I think it's irresponsible to be either riding off the path, or forcing others over the edges of the path. If there's not comfortably space for both (and there isn't on this particular path in places), the bike shouldn't be there.
A sunny bank holiday is not the time to be riding the pony track on Ben Nevis tbh, although I can see why you would if you didn't know just how busy it gets.
Actually, no I can't... there are much better places to go in that area!
edit- Too slow, discussion seems to have moved on. Ermm. YAY for football and odd youtube videos.
And, to further defuse the TJ/SFB standoff...
Just like lager louts in marbella acting like its manchester on a friday night
Druidh - I still fail to see what this has to do with anything other than lazy stereotyping of English people. Mind you I expect you are too addled on Irn Bru and deep fried butter to notice.
Mmmmmmmm....deep fried butter... 😛
If it's awesome enough smaller ones make way.The CMD Arete has a lot of appeal.
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Why on earth would you want to ride it with so many Walkers afoot? Doesn't look like fun at all for me just an exercise in risk taking. I'm all for cheeky riding as I think all trails are fair game both sides of the border, but I'd be too worried about hitting a walker on a trail that busy to enjoy it.
Still good to see TJ and SFB slugging out like the good ol' days. Shame wee Elfin isn't here to be snapping at their ankles as well 😀
Just looks awful doesn't it? All that effort and the descent gets ruined by all the walkers. I'm not entirely sure that too many walkers would have been upset, offended or whatever, and the riders seemed to ride fairly responsibly in the main. But it just looked crap didn't it and it looks like it would be a decent descent if you got a good run at it too.
Not sure it's worth getting overly emotional about, but that's up to you.