Regarding argumentative folk on this thread I've been out ploughing through hub deep snow. The snow round here is ethereal! Anyhow, why are folk arguing about road dangers on a MTB forum? Try Bike Radar/Cycling Plus/RoadCC
Of course ultimately the danger comes from the one and a half ton vehicles out of control, so they should be left at home 😆
druidh - I was lucky enough to have an old set of ultra light one inch conti MTB slicks lying about for lining. Can't think of much better for the job.
Used [url= http://www.wickes.co.uk/Self-Tapping-Pozi-Screw/invt/510793 ]these[/url] screws.
I made these tyres last winter and they've done a few hundred miles with no punctures. The screws need to go through the blocks for support. Achieving this screwing from the inside of the tyre was difficult, so I had to first screw the screw from the outside to create a visible hole in the casing, and then remove it and place correctly from the inside. Mainly because of this it took ages.
Gary_M - Member
Why would you put yourself in that position, apart from stubbornness?
druidh - MemberThe bike is quicker, cheaper and keeps me fit.
It's also more fun.
Waderider - very clever!
Gary-M, i'm quite capable of making decisions for myself thanks!
Cars behind me can wait until a spot to pass appears, and i'll do anything i reasonably can to help them do so. Just like cycling in normal conditions.
Gary_M - MemberPicture the scenario of a snow covered two lane road narrowed by snow, busy with traffic on both lanes. [b]Cars driving slowly due[/b] to the conditions and due to ruts it's very difficult to switch lanes, applying brakes obviously presents it's issues. Now add a bike into that scenario and you have a very dangerous situation for all involved. Why would you put yourself in that position, apart from stubbornness?
So then you simply keep up with the cars and demand your space on the road. take one of the ruts. It helps I have studded tyres. At points I have been faster than the cars - even overtook a couple.
I have pulled onto the banked up snow on the verge when I was holding a line of cars up on a climb to let them past.
You are adamant its dangerous - IME this last week cars have been going slower and have been more courteous.
Oh - and as Druidh says again
No I don't walk cause my commute is 20 miles each way, which I'm really missing riding this week. Took the car yesterday and bus today and same tomorrow.
Many of you must live in a utopian society where cars and bikes live in harmony,everyone can ride at a decent pace and all car drivers ooze awesome car handling skills.
stuartlangwilson clearly you can, even stupid ones.
We had great fun cycling home from nursery today.
Gary_M - Member
"And northwind I find it very hard to believe you ride anywhere in half a metre of snow."
Obviously I'm not riding in half a metre of snow 😕 What's your point? The roads have less snow due to ploughing but are still mostly ice and snow, only one short stretch of my commute is more or less down to slushy tarmac.
Car park at work:
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IME this last week cars have been going slower and have been more courteous.
Ditto, had a conversation with the lass in the coffee shop about this today. She was saying how nice her drive was with everyone taking it easy and paying attention!?!
IME this last week cars have been going slower and have been more courteous.
Yep, same here.
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Snow chains from last year. Little 3" lengths of bog chain zip tied around the tyre. Worked pretty well, but needed a few more to be more effective. even just plain old zipties helped too - with the knobbly fastening bit facing downward to dig in a bit.
I am with druid and tj. I've been cycling in all week in Newcastle. I'm thinking about routes, staying off road where possible. I cycled in all last year when the conditions were the same. There is a risk but there is also a risk when the weather is fine. I actually think drivers are more cautious in this type of weather and behave more considerately.
Driving isn't an option, buses are unreliable, it's too far to walk and besides cycling in in fatastic. Coming along the river as the sun rose and cycling through the trees covered in snow is stunning.
My trainers did freeze solid though.
Hey, could you put drawing pins through the zip ties or tape?
Dont worry Gary M, I'll be sure to give your car plenty of room as I overtake it on my death trap pushbike 😆
Another awesome tyre mod there....but who has bog chain anymore? It's just sparked a debate here on flushing power.
I'm with Gary_M on this one.
I went out on the bike in the snow earlier this year with my camera to get some pics around the local area. The snow had fallen quite heavily, but there were slushy ruts in the road that the cars were using.
I was trying to take up as much road as I could to try to stop people overtaking dangerously, but they still were. I tried riding in one of the ruts, but people were just driving even further out of the lane to pass. You could sense a few people attempting to overtake and then pulling back, then trying again, and again before finally just gunning it past.
Cars behind me can wait until a spot to pass appears
The CAN, but frequently they DON'T.
I decided on knocking it on the head after a few dodgy miles.
I'm have no doubt in other situations when there had been slightly more snow or slightly less, then it would have been safer. But, in this particular situation it was not particularly safe and the risk of a collision seemed a lot higher than being worth it.
Each situation needs weighing up on an individual basis.
I love riding in the snow, but i did bail out on the commute yesterday. I walked up to the "main" road, watched as two cars failed to stop at the roads and slithered across the junction and ended up on the opposite side, followed by another car turning right, which lost grip and then mounted the pavement again on the opposite side of the road. They were all travelling too fast for the conditions and I didn't feel comfortable with sharing the road with idiots like that, paticulary when you see some of the cars driving around with 7 inces of snow on the car and just a little porthole cleared in the windscreen for them to see out of.
Still, a day off work allowed me to go proper riding in the afternoon. Riding in the snow rocks!
its quite simple, if you think its too dangerous for me to ride wtf are you doing driving?
why should i or anyone else accept the 'fact' that everyone should be allowed to drive all the time regardless.
I'd say that you are much more vulnerable on a bike, and in an accident (and the odds of having one must be higher in winter conditions I would say) you will more often come off worse, even if it is not your fault.
For nobody to use the roads in winter isn't going to happen, and I for one opt for the extra protection of a car in these conditions.
Each to his own of course...
Forced off the back lanes / sustrans route and onto the main road this morning due to snow depths.
Found most cars were giving me plenty of room (more than usual) and were waiting for their chance to overtake rather than forcing past. I am sure some of them became frustrated / angered by my presence but hey-ho.
Yes there were risks and hazards but the car is currently abandoned at the bottom of my road in deep snows, the train is being canceled / severely delayed and 18-miles is too far to walk.
extra protection for who?
oh, you, oh thats alright then.
[i]if you think its too dangerous for me to ride wtf are you doing driving[/i]
I think it's too dangerous for me to ride, I'm not fussed what you do. My commute is 20 miles each way across a moor, I tried it in the snow in January this year and it wasn't nice, I felt very vulnerable and no doubt about it I was a major hazard on the road. If your commute is a bimble across town then it doesn't really compare.
Yeh riding a bike/driving a car don't really compare in the vulnerability stakes do they? Hit a very small patch of black ice on a bike and you're down, hit the same patch on a car and it isn't an issue.
Anyway as I said I got the bus, much less stressful.
Out of interest to those that do carry on riding in these conditions what do those that care about you think? My wife, who isn't normally a worrier, said the other day that she was so glad I'd chosen not to ride as she worries herself sick if I ride when it's icy.
I've ridden to work all week, except today when I took the car as the roads weren't as bad and I had to dig the car out last night to go and do some shopping.
In the mornings I was significantly faster than the traffic I was held up quite a lot by traffic crawling at 10mph on main roads that were no more than slushy, so who was an inconvenience to who?
On the way home the traffic was sparse and generally gave me plenty of room.
I have never felt so close to death as when I was riding down the bus lane from Hyde Park Corner towards Knightsbridge, on a Brompton, in the snow, with a double-decker ten feet behind me. One mistake and game over...
My wife came off her scooter on black ice last year - so slippery there wasn't a single mark on her clothing, despite the copious bruising.
Well a lot of people on here moan about the state of the driving on the roads and then take their bike out in the ice (fair enough the people that have no real alternative) but why put yourself in that position when you can avoid it, after all we are all our own safety men so why put yourself at the mercy of some idiot in a car.
falkirk mark - do you wrap yourself in cotton wool and never leave the house?
Now that's my kind of party
No but I do not want to end my life under a bus on a frozen road TJ
[i]falkirk mark - do you wrap yourself in cotton wool and never leave the house?[/i]
From the man who's scared of lap dogs and classes throwing a snowball as assault 🙂
THIS IS A MOUNTAIN BIKE FORUM, NOT A ROAD CYCLING FORUM.
Mind you, I've just been out and can no longer plough a furrow off road.
Its all down to personal preference - I suggest we leave it there 😉
Waderider thats such an insightful post, although why you've bothered posting on this thread is kinda beyond me.
TJ from a man who rides through red lights to avoid 'dangerous junctions' I just don't get you sometimes.
TandemJeremy - Member
falkirk mark - do you wrap yourself in cotton wool and never leave the house?
TJ - am I wrong about this or is it you that often talks about risk assessments for whether to wear a helmet or not, depending on the terrain etc??
If so, why the comment about fm wrapping himself in cotton wool? He's made the judgement (risk assessment) that it's not worth the risk to his own safety to ride in the current conditions.
No need to make snide comments.
I for one have not ridden in the evenings on the road since the weather turned bad. Mainly as I came off last year on some black ice that was on the far side of a humpback bridge. By the time I saw it, it was too late to stop, so I did my best to stay upright but went over on it. I then slid into the centre of the road and carried on for about 10m or so. If I had been on a main road with a car behind me I probably would have ended up underneath it.
So thanks all the same, but I'd rather 'wrap myself in cotton wool' and sit this one out.
Nice personal attacks folks. Ta
HA HA HA
TandemJeremy - Member
Nice personal attacks folks. Ta
Pot. Kettle. Black??
Or did you not type this:
TandemJeremy - Member
falkirk mark - do you wrap yourself in cotton wool and never leave the house?
Ay common' guys......
We all have opinions.
As an aside I had no black ice this morning but at about -11 C my gloves didn't work very well 🙁
Not a personal attack at all but your opinions seem to change to suit.
Not at all Gary. My opinion is consistent - just differs from the mainstream. I ain't gonna argue it tho - but I will say perhaps my slagging of falkirk mark was OTT
Yesterday I cycled along a 2 lane A road - there was about 1.5 lane width available - conditions were dicey - and I did wonder if I should be on the road..... but there was hardly any traffic and there was plenty of room for overtaking - I didn't feel as though I was holding anyone up, and cars were only doing 20mph. At one point the road narrowed due to roadworks - so I just hopped onto the pavement. I rekon it's easy enough to judge if it's safe or not - just use your loaf 😉
As for ice - 3.8" of rubber at 6psi is the answer to that! 😀
Gary_M, at least I'm only occasionally filling the internet up with crap. You're developing it into an art form on this thread. You need to get out on your bike and live a little.
Just a thought, but black ice is pretty much invisible and unexpected.
As it's -8 outside and been snowing for over a week with feet of snow piled at the side of the road. I'd struggle with anyone who said an accident was due to black ice here in Newcastle.
It's just ice and you should be expecting it no expecting the roads to be clear.
[i]You need to get out on your bike and live a little.[/i]
Yeh as I said over 6000 miles ridden so far this year, so I don't have anything to prove. You?
And why is it crap if I'm contributing to a discussion?
As for ice - 3.8" of rubber at 6psi is the answer to that!
I wouldn't go boasting about being flaccid and less than 4" 😀
Oh the joys of the UK. Here is Sweden my daughters school bus did get stuck but I rescued her by attaching the sledge to the back of the bike and pulling her home. All the big roads around here and a lot of the little ones have either dual use pavements or proper cycle lanes. Having great fun cycling to work and back practising my drift turns literally as I most often end up in a drift.
Not meaning to deflect you all from the the important job of making remote personal attacks on people you've never met (!) but I seem to see an idea for a ghetto tyre mod. Liking the whole cable tie thing, and the bath chain is a nice variation but hard to get right? Has anyone tried making ghetto tyre socks with sacking fastened on the tyre with cable ties? Seems to me would also add lateral grip, would be cheap, and best of all would be ghetto. Presume has been dome before? If so, please resume the attacks. Thanks for your attention.
