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It's at the extreme end, but there's a murder conviction for the white supremacist who drove into a crowd.
His defence was that he panicked and did it for his own safety. ****ing lawyers!
If a UK driver was found to be guilty of deliberately driving into a crowd you don't think it would also be a murder case in the UK?
That is a murder conviction not dangerous driving.
Kerley - yep.
Found guilty of murder after driving a van into people outside Finsbury Park mosque leaving a man dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42910051
But also car driven into a crowd outside Oxgate mosque - arrests made. Surely attempted murder?
No.
"Stokes is appearing at Willesden Magistrates’ Court today charged with Section 18 GBH, aggravated taking a vehicle without consent, causing injury by dangerous driving, driving without a licence or insurance, and racially aggravated harassment with intention to cause alarm or distress.
McDonagh and O’Donnell are charged with aggravated vehicle taking, vehicle and property damage."
I would guess that he was charged with the above as that was more likely to get a conviction than trying for attmepted murder, but obviously I don't have all the facts that the Police / CPS do, nor am I an expert on what you need to prove for attempted murder to 'stick'.
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For attempted murder in UK you need to show the accused was trying to kill, not just hurt and/or act recklessly.
but obviously I don’t have all the facts that the Police / CPS do, nor am I an expert on what you need to prove for attempted murder to ‘stick’.
Precisely.
So what was/should the driving instructor who deliberately drove into the cyclist have been charged with?
Edit, it was careless driving, why not assault?
Not sure what you are talking about, but GBH/ABH/assault is the sort of thing I'd expect, unless it was arguably accidental.
From that description it looks like he didn't actually make contact, though strictly speaking that shouldn't matter (assault doesn't require contact). I guess careless driving is easier to prove.
GBH/ABH/assault is the sort of thing I’d expect, unless it was arguably accidental.
My point is that drivers get done for careless driving if we're lucky when they assault a cyclist by driving into them.
It's proving the deliberate intention that causes problems with charging.
I noticed somewhere the other day a driver got 9 months for a crash where a motorcyclist was killed. Not just pedal cyclists who are vulnerable.
Point is?
Isn't recklessness sufficient?
I mean if I wondered down the street waving a machete around and someone was hurt...