[Closed] Armstrong charged with doping

One might say that it's starting to get a bit farcical now

Lance Armstrong ?@lancearmstrong

Wow. @usantidoping can pick em. Here's ([url= http://tinyurl.com/cgxmzwq ]http://tinyurl.com/cgxmzwq[/url] ) 1 of 3 Review Board members studying my case. ?

Didnt the FBI do "their job" before them ?

proof that you know nothing about the case against or for LA.
proof that you you are not aware of fiscal reasons not competative reasons of the previous investigation (and as a side note why that was suddenly dropped)
proof that you are not aware of the wish for LA to take a 'legal' angle and have his day in court where his legal team and $$$$'s can come into play instead of the USADA panel ratified by the cycling and olympic authorities (of which he is/was willing subject to their laws)

isn't there a second hand car thread where you can share your insights?

hora - I think it's clear you think Lance is clean. But can you at least PRETEND not to believe the "never failed a test" line? Everyone knows he failed tests, you just have to work out whether you believe the excuses or not.

Personally I don't care about him doping in some respects as a lot of riders did it, a lot of riders failed to blow the whistle and are all complicit and that was the era. However he seems like a spectacularly unpleasant man (never met him, could be wrong) and not worthy of the adulation heaped on him considering some of the things he's done.

Every time this comes up, I think about the effect it might have on Livestrong funding.

don't worry Livestrong doesn't have that much to do with front line cancer research. Livestrong will play an important part in his post conviction perception/contrite admission and retribution though 🙄

I'm pretty convinced that he doped, too much of the evidence is too damning....as for the 'never failed a test line' he was positive in the Tour de Suisse but donated rather a lot of money to the UCI around the time and it all got sorted out for him! As for the 'everyone else was doping' line, well not really......lots were, most of the top 10, but there were riders of the time who were pretty consistent ie Cadel Evans and Carlos Sastre whom imo got cheated out of numerous titles.

As people have said though, its all in the past now and you look at the top 10 in a couple of the years and its pretty tough to find a winner if Lance is DQ'ed....just put an asterix next to each of his wins to confirm that they are 'cheated wins' al la Riis' and lets try and move on....If Cadel wins again this year then I for one would be pretty confident that we've had two years of a clean winner-that hasn't happened for a while!

he is without doubt the best [b]Tour De France[/b] cyclist of the recent era by some distance

FTFY

Thats ok. There will be another agency lining up with tainted smackhead witnesses and blood produced from unsecure and unknown storage.

I think the current acussers are deluded themselves. Like Lance said. He gave numerous samples on demandat anytime and never failed. Sooo....jog on

I've worked it out, finally! Hora, you're Lance Armstrong aren't you? Sneaky little Texan!

Did he dope before his cancer battle? I beleive he did.
Did he after? A cancer survivor putting god knows what into his blood? No. Plus he past numerous tests posr first TDF win.

A cancer survivor putting god knows what into his blood?

Stuff like EPO, that's used in cancer recovery?

I wasn't aware he's believed to have doped or tested positive before cancer / tour wins tho. True?

Hora, you have nothing.
You have no sensible commentary to offer on this, just a belief. You seem to be either ignorant of many of the accusations leveled at Armstrong or wilfully naive regarding them.

I've been following Armstrong from before his WC win, through his cancer and his return. I thought it was the best story ever, until I started to realise that all was not what it seems.

I suggest you have a look at the Doping forum thread on roadbikereview, or the Clinic thread on the Cycling News forum.

Sorry fella, but he's had you on for many, many years.

A cancer survivor putting god knows what into his blood? No

Are you honestly saying that no cancer survivor takes drugs? Are you? If that is what you are saying you are an idiot

Plus he past numerous tests posr first TDF win.

So what, means nothing. There was no test for synthetic EPO in 1999. there was in 2004. They tested his blood from 1999 in 2004 and it was riddled with synthetic EPO, but you know all this, so I may as well bang my head against a wall.

I suggest you have a look at the Doping forum thread on roadbikereview, or the Clinic thread on the Cycling News forum.

Because, everyone knows that interwebular fora are all full of absolute, better than a proper legal process FACTS don't they?

😐

If that is what you are saying you are an idiot

he is, even if he isn't. ❓

One might say that it's starting to get a bit farcical now
Lance Armstrong ?@lancearmstrong
Wow. @usantidoping can pick em. Here's ( http://tinyurl.com/cgxmzwq ) 1 of 3 Review Board members studying my case. ?

Interesting that LA witters on about due process in his case, but refers to someone who has had no charges bought against him as a 'perv'. probably wants to disable his twitter account if he's sensible

Can I take a guess that you're in the hang, draw and quarter him camp, warton? 😀

I think he doped, and I think he should be bought to justice, mainly because of the man he is.

He's ruined the lives of a lot of people who quite simply didn't deserve it.

the Livestrong foundation is dubious at best. any 'charitable' organisation that pays it's founder 200k to turn up to an event, and spends more on legal fees for it's founder than anything else needs to take a good look at itself. IMO 🙂

EDIT: For context, i was a 'believer', i had the wristband etc, but the more I read around cycling the more I realised that he wasn't the man he made himself out to be.

CFH, I'm not suggesting that internet fora are the fountain of wisdom, but there is a large amount of information contained therein.

Anyone who thinks LA is innocent of all charges has a good deal of explaining to do, so you may as well be as fully informed as you can be.

Or simply stick your head in the sand and pretend that everything will be ok.

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Ignoring the rather obvious homo-eroticism, I see even Armstrong doesn't slam-that-stem...

Yeah, but I'm prepared to let that slide on account of how low he can go.

It's a photo shoot for a magazine, not a wind tunnel test! 🙂

I've just done a bit of googling, and as far as I can tell, Lance never actually slammed a bike. Surely if we're going to persecute him for something, it should be for that.

This knowledge is quite saddening, I'm gonna go somewhere quiet and think about it for a while.

It's because the early Trek OCLV bikes had small headtubes, in all sizes of frame. LA always rode with a few spacers, so I did too... 😥

This sucks.

Hes not been found guilty.

However for amateur sleuths that doesn't compute

[i]Hes not been found guilty.[/i]

You keep clinging to that thought, but the longer you do, the more uncomfortable it will be when you begin to realise that all is not as you thought it was.

You keep clinging to that thought, but the longer you do, the more uncomfortable it will be when you begin to realise that all is not as you thought it was.

Hes not been found guilty.

Not strictly true.

Theres never actually been a case against him. The first case, involving the blood from 1999 was never actually a proper case, and the latest one was mysteriously dropped, even though the investigators were more than happy they had enough to proceed. Their boss told them there was no case to answer, and refused to tell them why.

There's a case against him now, with 'more than 10' witnesses, all of them ex team mates and team staff prepared to testify.

Don simon is hora? That would explain why I've never seen you together...

Are you now anti-neutral? 🙄

Strange. Funny how all the Tour cheats are caught within a couple of years huh.

I was replying specifically to hora, hence my use of his words and my quoting of them to ensure that it was obvious.

..to most.

Now on this subject I have a thought

There was a quote from a multi Tour winner who said " you cannot win the Tour on Evian"

just for the record I have a clean CRB check

Is it because I have never done anything wrong ????

No its because I have never been caught 😆

If you know what I mean 😉

[i]Strange. Funny how all the Tour cheats are caught within a couple of years huh[/i]

Mmmm. Makes you wonder if there was some kind of special relationship between people who didn't get caught and the UCI. Maybe some kind of donation related issue, perhaps.

..to most.

Warton 'more than 10'.

So in a years time he'll have been found guilty then?

What was the official outcome of the fbi investigation?

Oh look a UFO heading towards Area...

Good night haters of achievement.

Maybe some kind of donation related issue, perhaps.

What, are you possibly suggesting that Lance Armstrong donated 100,000 dollars to the UCI? really? what if he was in business with the vice president of the UCI? That surely wouldn't be allowed would it?

What was the official outcome of the fbi investigation?

Can you read? Yes? Then read about it, and just maybe you might learn something

heres a snippet though

USADA has said previously that at least 10 former Armstrong teammates and associates would testify against him, but vowed to keep the names confidential

Strange. Funny how all the Tour cheats are caught within a couple of years huh

really? only most investigations of organised doping based on non competition testing evidence take years and are ongoing.
there are still open investigations of spanish/italian teams and riders that are yet to run the course. these investigations are never as clear cut as a positive in competition test, and often riders who never test positive from random testing during racing are still implicated in investigations or banned.

I'm not really having a pop at hora, only having a go at his fingers-in-ears attitude.
I've been there, been the Armstrong fan, been shocked when it was suggested he wasn't clean, and slowly but surely read all the stuff there is to read about him.

It's like a child who thinks that he can get away with telling a lie, then has to tell more lies to support the first lie, then has to ask or make other people lie to support the lies he told to support that first lie.

It should have beeen obvious that too many people knew too much, but it seems that a lid has been kept on it, at least in the mainstream media. The American websites, roadbikereview and cycling news have had people who didn't believe the clean story for years now. Initially they were seen as cranks, oddballs with axes to grind. Funny how things turn out...

Hes not been found guilty.

However for amateur sleuths that doesn't compute

i'll tell you who is guilty, Hora for buying a piece of yellow plastic on ebay for 4.99 (free postage) just so he could feel like he 'believed'.

It's like a child who thinks that he can get away with telling a lie, then has to tell more lies to support the first lie, then has to ask or make other people lie to support the lies he told to support that first lie.

a bit like landis before he finally came clean, which is quite a story, the child abuse conversation with LeMond and the subsequent events etc.

funny how LA uses what Landis has said/written to both discredit and back-up his own 'story'.

when the dust settles it's going to make an interesting film, you really couldn't make this shit up.

I think the other thing worth mentioning, and a thing even I've forgotten about, is that it's not about LA alone... There are 5 others under investigation too, most of whom have a lot less cash to fall back on and no publicity machine.

It will be interesting to see if any of them crack...

http://www.knowledgewiki.org/article/2005_Tour_de_France?enk=5sFmiQeBRqEGGcYZZhkmqUaBxhkmmYaJBslmmSa5ZIE=

ok people look at the 2005 final rankings

Lance won
Basso 2nd - busted
Jan Ullrich - never tested +ve but admitted following investigation
Mancebo - found guilty by the spanish investigation Puerto (which evidenced for Ullrich)
Vinokourov - busted in 2007
Leipheimer - mate of Lances, never tested positive but Gerolsteiner (the team he rode for) were disbanded for other riders' busts
Rasmussen - thrown out of the tour for lying about missed tests, later admitted to clubbing money together with other riders to buy a blood plasma centrifugal stripper

Cadel Evans is generally considered to have ridden clean throughout his career was 11 minutes back

but saint lance beat all the users of blood doping and epo and testosterone without any assistance from any dope, and not just by a few seconds but 5, 10 minutes...

And he refers to Michele Ferrari as his 'family physician', a doctor who has been banned by the Italian cycling authorities for repeatedly supplying dope to riders

Lance did everything that all the others did. the UCI turned a blind eye and McQuaid and his cronies all need the sack otherwise the sport will never improve

Mancebo - found guilty by the spanish investigation Puerto (which evidenced for Ullrich)