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Really not sure anyone who has routinely driven to ride a bicycle for the last 30 years can take the moral high ground here.
Not sure you can single out eBikes either in a society where electric vehicles (mainly charged off fossil fuels) are becoming very common and electronics featuring batteries are basically disposable.
Still better than the ****s who think “going for a drive” and then slinging McDonalds wrappers into a hedge is a valid leisure activity tho 😂
I have routinely driven to work and the shops for 30 years too, not sure what the point is. So anyone who drives to a shop has no business buying environment friendly products? I've pointed out that an activity I enjoy seems to have become less environment friendly over time. This seems true to me. Things are not black and white but it seems agreed here that MTB in general of any description is just not green in any way and their is no distinction between trail centre ebiking and cycling on your own in the wilds. I'll get my coat...
chrismac, that leaves me speechless.
Probably a good thing 😎
just don’t agree with your whole premise, that MTB was ever a particularly eco activity, when you talk about Driving for rides or holidays, etc or that now it has become worse than anything else. Everything in society is less eco nowadays, MTB is just following the general trend. For example, kids routinely being driven to school/clubs etc whereas those journeys would’ve been by foot or bike years ago.not sure what the point is.
It shows that left t its own devices the planet is fine as Giai stated.
Define 'fine'. The planet does not care about 'fine' because it's inert. Only we care about 'fine'. So by attaching a human judgement to the state of the planet you are placing your own criteria for what constitutes fine.
Now - if you don't change how things are being done, then things people treasure will be irrevocably lost; but more importantly hundreds of millions of people will die due to food or water shortages. So according to my definition of the world the planet will absolutely not be 'fine'.
The only meaningful solution is not tinkering round the edges with so called green initiatives but to encourage the dominant species to reduce its rate of reproduction to stem the growth in population.
No, the other meaningful solution is to use the resources available more efficiently.
electric vehicles (mainly charged off fossil fuels)
That is changing very quickly.
Don’t fit people ride ebikes too ?
Oh gawd, are you one of those that thinks buying an EV is going to save the planet? 🤣 Less cars/car journeys are what’s needed, how they’re fuelled makes VERY little difference. 😉electric vehicles (mainly charged off fossil fuels)That is changing very quickly.
how they’re fuelled makes VERY little difference
For the moment ignoring the assumptive ‘are you one of those bla bla save the planet ‘ strawman (and the assumption that EV owners are typically unaware of the need for reducing journeys overall)
..Do you have figures/some citation for the above claim?
You used caps punishment too, so I’m assuming that you mean ‘VERY little’ as in ‘almost negligible?’
My understanding is that (ie):
average “lifetime“ emissions from electric cars are up to 70% lower than petrol cars in countries like Sweden and France (where most electricity comes from renewables and nuclear), and around 30% lower in the UK.
They say the picture for electric cars will become steadily more favourable as nations shift to clean electricity.
So according to you, what does ‘VERY little difference’ look like? And which studies do you reference?
Define ‘fine’. The planet does not care about ‘fine’ because it’s inert
the planet will still be here in a million years and supporting life due to its position in space. The question it’s will that life be what we have now? My view it’s that it won’t be and a has happened repeatedly through the climate and geological record the dominant species of the day will die out, unable to cope with the changes on the planet and be replaced with one that can. Sure humans are doing their best to speed that process up.
If as a species we want to remain dominant then we can either use less, or have fewer people. Using less needs to be at an industrial scale. So do we carry on building cars, cruise ships, stop digging raw materials out of the ground?