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APF
Nuclear power + EFW plant for nottingham ride 25th June
Don't know why there's a fuss about fracking.
Surely being able to [url= http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/04/09/5-videos-showing-fracking-can-make-water-flammable/ ]burn your water[/url] is a bonus? 😯
jameswilliams54 - Member
Nuclear power + EFW plant for nottingham ride 25th June
at last some common sense in the Energy debate
Dear OP. I do not think you are aware of the significant amount of fraking which already happens in the UK. Fraking presents a very significant source of revenue for the uk, and I emphasise the very.
If you can reference your accusation I'd be most grateful, otherwise...
Ed
Fracking is not new; it has been around as long as wells have been drilled for oil. In the early years, they used nitroglycerine! 😯 This is a nitro carriage in a museum in Titusville, Pennsylvania.
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The oil industry started with Drake's Well in Titusville (north of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania). Here's an article on [url= http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/history/4569/the_shooting_stars_of_drake_well/539930 ]shooting the well.[/url] I think modern hydraulic fracking is probably safer...
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Why are people so bothered about bit of potential pollution from fracking? We love pollution, and nearly everyone goes out of their way to produce as much as possible by making sure they drive absolutely everywhere.
Are there not loads of coal mine things in Nottinghamshire?
Earth tremors/mini earthquake in the Blackpool area was attributed to fracking?
The Government then said its completely safe.
So our area looks like its next. What if similar happens- cracks in my plaster/house?
Whats wrong with wind turbines?!
Whats wrong with wind turbines?!
Because by all accounts they are a bit useless.
Why are people so bothered about bit of potential pollution from fracking? We love pollution, and nearly everyone goes out of their way to produce as much as possible
Because it is suddenly NIMBY time, close to population and in your face visible.
I mean, the OP obviously joined in the protest against the Beauly-Denny line....
What do they do with the fracturing waste 'water' in the UK?
Bury it deep underground where they hope it won't seep into normal water. The chemicals cannot be removed and enough water to supply London is used and made useless forever.
It's not like Nottinghamshire doesn't have a long and illustrious history of being able to cope with potentially dirty energy production. Coal mines, oil wells etc.
Might be more interested if you were going to have a protest ride against the open cast mine at Trowell, very close to the bridleways that get us Ilson riders out round Cossall and Strelley. But then the mine at Shipley hasn't caused as much disruption as we first feared.
What a waste of time. Do you really think big business is going to pay the slightest attention to anti-fracking protests? The lust for energy profits overrides all other considerations.
What great idea, you can ride up to the UK's first oilfield just down the road.
http://www.dukeswoodoilmuseum.co.uk/index.htm
While I agree with some of the posts above, I think fracking is different to other issues I may have let slide. Different enough to get this old hippy off his arse and making a fuss again anyway.
Yes, we have mines here, and they caused, and are causing environmental damage. However, if we knew then what we know now, we could have acted differently.
Fracking is an environmental disaster. Poisoning the groundwater really isn't a good idea.
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/04/fracking-us-toxic-waste-water-washington ]Here's an article from the newspapers.[/url]
Anyway, if anyone wants to come along and find out more, you are very welcome.
APF
Ooh, look - a bandwagon!
In other news, Caroline Lucas MP accepts that Fracking is no worse than ordinary gas extraction, and that she's happy enough to keep using gas as long as we get it from abroad!
So if we stop Fracking there will be less oil for us. This will mean the price goes up or we use our cars less or we buy it from others.
Are there risk free, non polluting energy sources that will replace oil ?
In reality its going to happen, we will continue to **** the planet and no government will step in to change this.
The article you have linked mentions nothing about poisoning ground water. It talks about waste water, waste water that is treated by a waste water treatment plant, funnily enough. The Americans do things differently to the UK, over here the water would not be stored in such big lagoons, space is simply not available. Regarding the volume of water and radioactive contaminants, standard stuff in the industry, you should have off your arse years ago if it concerns you, the numbers from cracking are comparable per well to what's done in the North Sea, and there are a LOT more wells and oil/gas being produced out there.
FYI. I do work a bit with oil/gas however I am actually trying to reduce my usage, much more effective than trying to block something we need because everyone else is wasting what resources we are already accessing.
When and where's the pro-nuclear pro-fracking protest?
Are there risk free, non polluting energy sources that will replace oil ?
Yeah we're all going to have windmills on the car that spin faster the faster you drive to give you more energy.
And they'll shortly suss out how to make windmills spin 24/7/365 and produce enough heat to heat up the furnaces used to smelt the alu, steel and glass and concrete used in their manufacture, and to synthesise carbon fibre from CO2 in the air rather than from oil.
Pot N Kettle.
Notts if full of mines (as said)
Bless your heart, you've been drinking contaminated water since the 30's.
Wouldnt it be simpler to just stop population growth ?
I though because we banned carrier bags at the shops all these issues will go away.
No, the poor third world population who make the carrier bags are now without a job. Consequently they are starving and homeless now.
Oh frack off!
We need more nuclear, more mines, more drilling and less beardy, hippie tree humpers whining about the polar bears with their heads in the sand.
...and worse still its bloomin road ride!
SINGLETRACKworld
Nuclear power does seem to produce an awful lot of power.
What's the alternative?
Gas? Ok theres a problem with the bear wrestler so he could cut us off.
Coal? Nice pollution.
Hydroelectric? Will never meet the power requirements.
Solar farms? As hydroelectric.
Wind turbines? Nimbys don't want in land. At sea fishermen don't want.
What else can someone suggest?
Sooooo much bad science in that Guardian article.
Guardian = Daily Mail for hippies & lefties
Basically the only real solution is a lower population.
So, stop haveing babies you lot.
I live quite near to Barton Moss and know a few 'green warriors' who regulalry protest there and their arguments against really make me laugh. As mentioned above there's probably about 10% fact/truth in their arguments and what is fact is unregulated stuff from the good Ol Land of the Free, USA. The famous YouTube vid of the flaming tap appears to be their main argument!!
I'm a tunnelling engineer so know quite a bit about the enviromental issues when mining/drilling underground and I know for a fact that the EA won't let you anywhere near a water source without some considerable proof that you won't affect it.
I also sit next to a geo-scientist and have read various geotechnical papers on the matter and the potential effects of fracking are minor compared to what has been and will continue to be caused by coal mining! I haven't noticed them ever protesting outside our remaining coal pits??
The only way to have a sustainable energy source in the UK is to have a bit of everything, wind and solar just cannot provide our requirements alone.
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Wouldn't the world be a different place if you had to know the real facts and be able to present a coherent, scientifically correct argument before you were allowed to protest against something?
I haven't noticed them ever protesting outside our remaining coal pits??
Or any of the thousands upon thousands of closed ones, since they are the highest risk to people and property, probably much more so than fracking.
Nuclear power does seem to produce an awful lot of power.
What's the alternative?
Gas? Ok theres a problem with the bear wrestler so he could cut us off.
Coal? Nice pollution.
Hydroelectric? Will never meet the power requirements.
Solar farms? As hydroelectric.
Wind turbines? Nimbys don't want in land. At sea fishermen don't want.
What else can someone suggest
Thorium. China is getting heavily behind it and will leave the rest of the world behind in the process.
Fusion? Always 10 years away? ITER seems confident it's very close.
When is the pro fracking ride? So when the [url= http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/2012/decommissioningplan.html ]10 Nuclear site [/url]are decommissioned over the coming years we don't have to by all our energy from France.