I love that he didn't case the landing, he cased the takeoff! Heroic effort though.
thegeneralist
Full MemberNot much as most of my riding tends to be XC, but I’ve done some bits and pieces in:
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One of these was not like the others 🙂
I’m not sure what, beyond slightly more initial material, means a boxxer commands more money than a pike or lyric. 600 for used select grade seems steep to this trail rider, but as you’ve identified, it’s supply and demand. DH is an expensive game to be in.
volumes plays a massive part. A few years ago I read a stat along the lines of specialized sell something like 1000 demo's a year, compared to 20,000 stumpjumpers.
specialized sell something like 1000 demo’s a year,
They might sell 1001 if they'd make one in a bloody adult size
They might sell 1001 if they’d make one in a bloody adult size
I don’t understand spesh’s sizing convention, but they currently offer 3 sizes and sell 1000 total. You propose they add a fourth size, requiring a new front triangle mould to make a minor increase in sale numbers?
Lots of tall guys seem to end up on Santa Cruz.
I don’t understand spesh’s sizing convention, but they currently offer 3 sizes and sell 1000 total. You propose they add a fourth size, requiring a new front triangle mould to make a minor increase in sale numbers?
I think the complaint is the max reach is 465mm which is short compared to modern trail bikes (and shorter than some more recent dh bikes). I think DHers tend to follow fashion slightly less (and def slower), maybe partly due to the slower product cycles but maybe also that really long bikes aren't as quick for people who are really fast?
Fair comments
Bike geo is still not an exact science- is it really the reach that people desire (within reason) or is it the wheelbase and or front centre? A slack Dh will be longer than an on trend long reach trail bike.
Reach (from the riders perspective) increases and stack decreases, the steeper the slope you point it down. Gravity remains vertical. Perhaps the “dh bikes only make sense going fast” is actually “dh bikes need to be on a downslope to handle right” because in most cases you cannot have the former without the latter.
As a seasoned buyer of 2nd hand mtb bits those have definitely been mis-described. They'd be ok/average rather than very good. I'm not sure if I'd be happy but beggars can't etc and if there's not much available then I guess you'll just have to suck it up and chalk it to experience. At the end of the day everyone's opinion of condition is different. I'm surprised there's not more about at the moment though - it's the end of the season.
They look like crap. Plenty of boxxer select 180mm around that people take off nearly new kenevos that go for £600. Just need a 200mm airspring for £30 or so.
To be shocked and horrified search the absolutely knackered ohlins in dual crown on pb.
You propose they add a fourth size, requiring a new front triangle mould to make a minor increase in sale numbers?
Just saying that I might personally buy one if they came up a little longer. I'd love a full Ohlins Demo. I'm a fair bit taller than Loic Bruni and they have to make him a custom front triangle with a longer reach. So where do they get the idea that all 3 versions of the retail frame need to be tiny?
Anyway, we're going way off topic.
Buff those Boxxers up, get some new graphics and crack on! I'm sure they'd benefit from a full service as well.
Buff those Boxxers up, get some new graphics and crack on! I’m sure they’d benefit from a full service as well.
That's what i've done this morning using some trim gel. 75% of the marks on the sides are on the decals, so they're £18 to swap, if i place them straight up and down instead of the funky angle the Rockshox use i reckon i can get 100% of the side marks covered.
So it's really only the cable rub where the brake cable is routed, but i usually cover that area with tape anyway to protect the fork from cable rub lol... so i wouldn't notice..
You've got some great answers here, so I'll just say: on the balance of condition, price, description & the seller being willing to take them back... get that refund pronto and find a cheaper, better fork.
No judgement on you that you've overpaid, but you have. And you've got a chance to recoup. Take it.
Late to the thread, but
"Condition: Excellent"
No, condition is "Battered" (maybe "ok" condition if they work well)
Think I like about Pinkbike sales, is if you right-click the photo and open in new tab (on Chrome/Edge) you get the full size pic so can check out the details.
eg.
which looks almost like a different fork from weeksy's photo 😛
They’re used, they’re available for a price, you were happy to pay that price, now you’ve got the thing that was for sale, in the condition it was advertised at. Unless the photos hid serious damage or the damage was done after the photos were taken i don’t think you can expect a refund.
If they are in good condition mechanically, I don't think you have any reason to complain.
A nice polish and bright lighting can make a scratch look like reflection. And a poor photo can make some dust look like a scratch.
Calling the condition excellent was clearly a lie but it happens a lot. Barely used, as new etc get used a lot in 2nd hand adverts when an item has clear wear and tear. I personally like to be as honest as possible when selling something so there's little chance of comeback.
Well we've moved on from the discussion now, they did honestly clean up better and with some new decals will look fine. Functionally they're great and they're getting a lower service and set of seals as we speak.
Am i ecstatic, no, not really. But looking round Ebay and Pinkbike, unless i throw in another £300, i'm not getting much better really.
In other news, the XFusions have been repaired now. £228 with a service and new lowers... bargain.
So i'll also have a 2nd set of forks and i can then make a decision based upon the actual functionality of the forks and which he prefers. Arguably the Boxxers are better than the Xfusions and being air are more adjustable for size and weight over the Xfusions (although you can of course swap springs).
Always surprised x fusion don’t get more love. My mcqueens are miles better than my revs for a similar price point.
Always surprised x fusion don’t get more love
We were a little dubious about them from a few comments when buying the bike, but he's gone really well with them, both front and rear and whilst they don't have all the adjustment of the Boxxers, they actually set-up pretty well with the dataloggoing/telemetry with the spread being pretty decent.
When i bought the Boxxers i didn't know i could get the XFusions repaired so arguably i jumped the gun a little bit... but it'll be interesting to see if we can get the Boxxers better for him than the XFusions managed and see how he goes when he's back to health. We've got all winter to see and find out before making any decisions.
Weeksy jumping the gun - never!! 🤣
Weeksy jumping the gun – never!!
It's one of my stregth/weaknesses depending on how you look at it. I like things done, sorted, right... Sometimes it plays to my advantage, sometimes it bites me a bit... This one, i'm not 100% pleased, but it could have been a lot worse and it's all OK 🙂
The lowers are not really in "excellent" condition and he's done his best to take photos of them looking good, but if they move OK, and a bit of spit and polish removes the worst of the cosmetic damage, then I'd probs keep them.
My thoughts:
- Wow, is 600 really what people are paying for a SH base level Boxxer? But that's irrelevant, you were, and you did.
- I wouldn't describe them as excellent
- I'd expect a SH DH fork to be pretty battered externally. That really doesn't look too bad (ignoring the excellent part)
But crucially
- you lost the right to take advantage of his decent offer to return them the moment you fitted them to a bike. That's tacit acceptance IMHO
But crucially
– you lost the right to take advantage of his decent offer to return them the moment you fitted them to a bike. That’s tacit acceptance IMHO
Well as said, he was still happy to take them back, even afterwards..
However... i kept them anyhow.
Bit late to the party, and I don’t DH so no idea if the price is right, but agree the condition shouldn’t be listed as excellent. That said, I can see a lot of the scratches you talk about in the ad photos so not sure he’s deliberately misrepresented and since he’s offered to take them back I doubt there was any conspiracy.
If it were me and my bike I’d polish them up and get new decals, but I can understand your worry as if it were me I’d want to make things as perfect as possible for my lad.
Hope the boy is healing well, that’s a pretty painful looking crash.
Hope the boy is healing well, that’s a pretty painful looking crash.
Thank you, he's getting there mate, bit less delicate day by day.. he'll soon be back.
You’ve got some great answers here, so I’ll just say: on the balance of condition, price, description & the seller being willing to take them back… get that refund pronto and find a cheaper, better fork.
Ditto.
They look shagged
Excellent condition is a downright lie, the lack of close up photos of the lowers would've made me suspicious, if I was the seller I'd include photos more like yours and slightly battered lowers and rebound adjuster would be a more accurate description.
I wouldn't have asked £600 for them, but I have a conscience and like to able to sleep at night. Those pb photos made me chuckle a little, was he in the nip, the mind boggles.
Edit.
Full disclosure, I didn't even look at page two before commenting, yikes.
Yes.
They look shagged
They do. And the seller has been massively disingenuous describing as 'excellent' with very selective photo angles.
Well we’ve moved on from the discussion now
Or so you thought... 😉
Well, i've moved on.... the condition doesn't matter now... they're in the bike lol
What I don’t understand is doesn’t everyone clean up the frames and forks that they are selling and polish then up with some nice silicon spray or similar? If the decals are all scratched up I either removed them completely or replace them if I can get some dirt cheap/have spares. You can always tell someone you took them off because they didn’t match the rest of the bike or you wanted a stealth bike, etc.