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[Closed] 650b+ (and other plus sizes if you like) - rim, tyre, frame, fork combinations,

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absolutely bloody mental thing it is.

review of the year.


 
Posted : 14/12/2015 5:42 pm
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Anyone tried a Rocket Ron 3.0 on the back yet .now that I have decent clearance I quite fancy one of these.


 
Posted : 17/12/2015 1:27 pm
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A 2.8 Nic on an i35 just about squeezes into the back of a Mk1b Yelli Screamy. Won't be able to do a ride test for a while.


 
Posted : 17/12/2015 3:36 pm
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That BigWig looks ace. I think it might have settled the 29er/27.5+ dilemma I've been having for my Last


 
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That BigWig looks ace. I think it might have settled the 29er/27.5+ dilemma I've been having for my Last


 
Posted : 17/12/2015 4:04 pm
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That BigWig looks ace. I think it might have settled the 29er/27.5+ dilemma I've been having for my Last

One frame for both!


 
Posted : 17/12/2015 5:12 pm
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Must say I'm looking forward to seeing your Last George, looks like a lovely bike from the blurb on their website.


 
Posted : 17/12/2015 5:29 pm
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I'll be looking at the Last with interest too.
When's it arriving?


 
Posted : 17/12/2015 5:33 pm
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February. Which is a lot more looking forward than I want, really.


 
Posted : 18/12/2015 12:33 pm
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Just been out for a quick spin on my Yelli.
First time out of the NN's as I've been ill for a bit.

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Head and shoulders above the Trax Fatty, Trailblazer combo in the wet.
I'm now able to go forwards and change dirrection. Which is nice. 8)


 
Posted : 18/12/2015 1:15 pm
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Good news Stu. I had those bars on mine too.


 
Posted : 18/12/2015 1:54 pm
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(your pics look very N Downsy).

how much clearance do you have on the DS chainstay?


 
Posted : 18/12/2015 1:55 pm
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Same as the NDS.
Mark2's have a more central design at the chainstay bb junction.

With the i35 rim replacing the Scraper it's gone up from a knats cock to two knats cocks.


 
Posted : 18/12/2015 2:19 pm
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Some setup in a Mk 1 & the gnat gets his cock lightly buffed.


 
Posted : 18/12/2015 3:12 pm
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Have you thought about trying a WTB Breakout 2.5 tyre?
I've just bought one in case it doesn't work out with NN.
Comes up at 67mm on a Scraper so will give another knats to the clearance. But more importantly it seems to be as tall as the NN.

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Posted : 18/12/2015 3:21 pm
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I assume they're the 2.8s Stu?


 
Posted : 18/12/2015 3:36 pm
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Thx no I wasn't aware of that. Good fallback if the NN doesn't work out (which is very likely).


 
Posted : 18/12/2015 3:48 pm
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I assume they're the 2.8s

Yep. Front on i45 rear on i35.


 
Posted : 18/12/2015 4:07 pm
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I have just popped a set of 3.0 Purgatory wheels on 29mm ID rims in my '13 Transition Bandit 29er. They'll work in dry conditions but it is too tight for the sticky mud I have here.

Where can I get some 2.8 Nobby Nics, I have been searching but no joy as of yet. Or what else is out there, i'm talking proper tyres, with nobs on rather than the Trail Blazers.

Super excited as the Bandit is still my favourite bike... might mean the Enduro spends a lot of time alone!


 
Posted : 19/12/2015 12:54 pm
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Thanks Stu

Just ordered a pair from Slam69 which are both Trailstar, would have preferred a Pacestar on the back but very happy, can't wait to get out on the old bike once they arrive.


 
Posted : 19/12/2015 1:12 pm
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Just need to find a S/H Solaris frame now

I think my small MK1 will be for sale, just can't get on with the 29er thing much prefer my 26" Soul.


 
Posted : 19/12/2015 4:04 pm
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Out for a ride earlier today.

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B+ really does seem to be the bastard love child of a 29er and a fatbike. What I'm not comprehending at the moment is how it seems to pick up speed out of nowhere.


 
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Spotted this on PB would be good if you picked up an older Sultan for sensible money. From the article looks like it was on 650B+ 3" wide tyres

This Turner Sultan was retro-fitted with 27.5+ tires, and is the only complete bike we have found so far in Taipei with the mid-sized fat tires on it.

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The 29" Pike fork on this Turner had average clearance with a 27.5" wheel and this 3.0" Trax Fatty.

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Had a very muddy 50 mile ride on the Zealous. I actually found the TBs very good for my local trails. It gripped 95% of the time. The only issue I had was claggy mud covering the tred- but I think most tyres would have struggled. The Zealous Mk2 has plenty of mud clearance outback and the Revs were okay. I had to stop a couple times to clear the mud out.

I'm very impressed with the big tyres and rims. The ride is comfortable but it's still easy to cover ground quickly. Love the bike!


 
Posted : 24/12/2015 10:02 am
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That Sultan looks good, as it happens I have failed to sell mine ( asking too much most likely) now Im torn between selling or building it up


 
Posted : 24/12/2015 10:48 am
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Just put the wheels on but not ridden. 3 inch nic up front, 2.8 in the rear, both on i35 rims; plenty of clearance. Looks like it should be a whole lotta fun.....

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Posted : 24/12/2015 4:50 pm
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that looks like trouble.


 
Posted : 24/12/2015 7:14 pm
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Does anyone have an actual measurement for a 2.8 nobby nic on a wide rim like a scraper?


 
Posted : 31/12/2015 6:52 pm
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Pretty sure sstu measured it to be 72 or 73mm earlier in this thread. I don't have any calipers to do it accurately on an i35. It also depends on where and how much the chainstays curve in as I find it gets tight at that point with the sidewall of the tyre.... if that makes sense.

Going to try back to back runs on a hardtail comparing the plus with 29er on Saturday. On the full sus it all felt a bit vague with the suspension and soft tyres, hoping it's better with the hardtail which is what the wheels were bought for in the first place. That said my gut feeling is that for pure speed a 29er with proper rubber will be faster than the plus size.


 
Posted : 31/12/2015 10:23 pm
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Okeydokey, thanks for that 🙂


 
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Does anyone have an actual measurement for a 2.8 nobby nic on a wide rim like a scraper?

[url= https://farm1.staticflickr.com/754/23532054741_e81bab07c7_k.jp g" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/754/23532054741_e81bab07c7_k.jp g"/> [/img][/url][url= https://flic.kr/p/BRrW2K ]Nobby Nic 2.8[/url] by [url= https://www.flickr.com/photos/stu-b/ ]multispeedstu[/url], on Flickr
It grew a couple of mm after a couple of rides.


 
Posted : 31/12/2015 11:02 pm
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My 3.0 NN (just mounted to a Scraper) comes in at 79mm. As SSStu says, I expect it'll grow by a couple of mm.

My [b]3.5[/b] FatBNimbles are the same width 😆

Nobby Nic looks like a "proper" MTB tyre. Should be able to cope with the current slop levels better than the FBNs - though I'm just running it on the front at the moment.


 
Posted : 01/01/2016 10:23 pm
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Thanks again fellas


 
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In the process of trying this on my mk1 Yelli, bought a i45 Scrapers wheel set, a 2.8 VeeTire Bulldozer for the rear and a Specialised Purgatory 3 for the front, (Pike 140 forks)

The Bulldozer only clears the chainstays with 20psi, it being tight on the LH, going to offset the rim to get it centre but even then reckon it's going to be touch and go if I can actually ride it, not sure what to do if it don't work so open to suggestions?

The Purgatory has yet to arrive from Evans ordered Tue! unlike Next Day Tyres for the Bulldozer ordered 3pm Tue and in my hands 9am Wed morning.


 
Posted : 03/01/2016 12:03 am
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As per earlier posts in the thread, 3.0 purgatory's on 45mm scrapers wont work in standard pikes. In the stand they will just roll, but when on the trails and turning they do rub. 2.8NN's are perfect for pikes as you can also fit a mucky nutz which really does stop the sh*t flying up into your face.


 
Posted : 03/01/2016 10:41 am
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Thats odd, i've been running mine for weeks with zero issues


 
Posted : 03/01/2016 12:08 pm
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To clarify I mean 29er rct3 pikes


 
Posted : 03/01/2016 12:13 pm
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Any pics of the clearance with that setup bigh?


 
Posted : 03/01/2016 2:01 pm
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Update Yelli mk 1

Wheel now tweaked so it sits central, still not much chainstay clearence but at least the tyre doesnt rub any more 🙂 Tubeless milk added (not keeping pressure) and a quick spin down the road and all seams fine, will be waiting on the front tyre before a proper ride.

Ive ridden with 'bigh' and his setup with the Purgatory 3 on the front with a Pike RCT3 does work with no mudguard which is why I ordered one.


 
Posted : 03/01/2016 2:16 pm
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Wheel now tweaked so it sits central, still not much chainstay clearence but at least the tyre doesnt rub any more

At least until it stretches overnight?


 
Posted : 03/01/2016 3:22 pm
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It's not easy taking a photo to give an idea of clearance is it, I reckon theres 4-5mm. I have ridden it a hell of a lot, through the worst conditions possible. At no point did they rub or deposit large amounts of mud onto the forks. I've been very pleased with them quite honestly. I have a rrp thingy and a crudcatcher which seem to be keeping me fairly clean.

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Posted : 03/01/2016 4:38 pm
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That's the sort of clearance I had at the back of my lurcher and it was definitely 'polishing' the frame but I guess a back wheel has more load on it.


 
Posted : 03/01/2016 5:34 pm
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Bigh - what pressure are you running though? I guess there could be variance in the tyres as the one I got from specialized had slightly less clearance and @ 10psi it rubbed on one side in tight fairly high speed turns and berms.

Im running 45mm scraper rims on 29er RCT3 pike just to clarify

Had the wheel redished a couple of times as the clearance side 2 side wasnt even, but gave up and now run a 2.8NN which is just as good but with more clearance of course.

Ive found with the scrapers the sweet spot for pressures generally with 2.8 and 3.0 tyres is 10 PSI as it provides a great balance of grip without noticeable side to side roll.


 
Posted : 03/01/2016 5:34 pm
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15 ish in front, im 15 stone with kit so i'm reluctant to go much lower


 
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