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define better? what didn’t you like about the luftkappe?
I did like the Luftkappes. Both those and the Debonair shafts gave a nice extra level of support.
But the Debonair shafts also significantly reduced friction, giving extra plushness.
The Luftkappes didn't do that for me.
Why do you prefer the Luftkappe Alex?
Also note that the foot nut and seal head upgrade can only be done on 20 model forks, 19 models need the full air shaft.
I was wondering whether the upgrade would work with upgraded air shafts for older forks ?
PS. Use torque caps too...
But the Debonair shafts also significantly reduced friction, giving extra plushness
wasn't able to compare the two. had the luftkappe @ 160 in a pike and the debonair @120mm.
I know of 2 people using the Torque Caps, me included. We have to be more than 5 now.
Do they work with a non boost 15mm front axle?
Yes. I'm on RS non Boost front myself, Hope hub and using the Torque Caps. Have I noticed a difference nah not really.
Great news this and will make a good fork even better now. After getting rid of my 2020 Grip 2 36 factories, the Lyrik is on a whole different level. Check the classifieds if your after a cheap set 😉
Controversial opinion but I think the seal head and foot nut should be a free upgrade to fix the unwanted unseated sag considering the price of the lyrik ultimate, that 1cm drop really bugs me.
it doesn't affect your sag though. the fact the fork compresses under the weight of the bike shows how effective its being.
Rockshox: We’ve improved our existing products with a bodge to stop people trying to claim warranty on a product that is sagged 5-10mm into the travel when the bike is static.
Fox: Lets search for that small bump sensitivity
Fixed that for you.
ta11pau1
Does mean that buying a 20 lyrik and a £20 upgrade results in a 21 lyrik.
Yup. First reply.
I wasn't asking - "Does mean that" vs "Does that mean" 😉
I was clarifying that if you have a '20 model you don't need the full air shaft, just the footnut and sealhead. Anything '19 or older, you need the full airshaft.
Well I have a set of Yaris (with a novyparts damper) & a luftkappe
But they have a 2018 csu & 2017 lowers (it's a long story)
Who's reckons this 2021 airshaft & seal head will fit ?
Well I have a set of Yaris (with a novyparts damper) & a luftkappe
But they have a 2018 csu & 2017 lowers (it’s a long story)
Who’s reckons this 2021 airshaft & seal head will fit ?
Yep, it'll fit 2016 onwards Yari/Lyrik. 160mm version below.
You'll probably have to give up the luftkappe though.
How long before we can buy the seal head and foot nut in the UK / EU?
Got a debonair air spring in the post and it seem silly to fit the old spec part. Poor timing on my part.
Yep, it’ll fit 2016 onwards Yari/Lyrik. 160mm version below.
Rockshox Air Spring Upgrade Kit – DebonAir C1 160mm (Includes DebonAirAssembly, Seal Head) – LYRIK/YARI A1+ (2016+)
You’ll probably have to give up the luftkappe though.
great, thanks!
will hang on to the luftkappe for a bit & do some comparisons
How long before we can buy the seal head and foot nut in the UK / EU?
I was told 8-12 weeks, I ended up buying the new updated airshaft and will return the unused shaft I bought last week
you got the 2021 airshaft & footnut bruneep, where from?
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found
Pre-order now for dispatch on 16/04/20!
tho jtech says B1lyris is 2016+
wwcyclery says A1lyric is 2016+
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kimbers from my local purveyor of biking goods
http://www.20twentystore.com/ProductDetails.aspx?PID=4333
So basically there’s naff all difference between them as depending on what you personally prefer either version is good. At least they aren’t taking the Micky with spares and swapping for once.
FYI only about 10% of our mtb wheel sales are with Torque cap but it’s rapidly growing. On our product you can just swap them in seconds so it’s a non-problem. As we sell aftermarket we normally lag about 12 months behind internet hype.
Neil SuperstarComponents
@ta11pau1- Sorry. I need to pay more attention next time.
So I've ordered a shaft of J-Tech. If anyone wants a new original debonair airshaft 29"/120 - 27.5"/140 - 26"/150 the please PM.
Will sell for a much reduced priced, I paid £30.62 fro a German shop.
When do j tech expect the new shafts?
My local dealer said they'd had no Comms from SRAM yet so guessed summer time.
But I think they usually announce these things when they have stock almost ready to go?
are people seriously spending cash just so their fork sits a bit higher when stationary?
Are you new here?
Lol
Anyone using Torque Caps on Hunt wheels? I got 2 sets from Hunt, both are so loose they rattle/spin as you ride?
Yep I am. Trail wide boost hub wheel with Yari fork. I haven’t noticed any rattle but next time I’m out I’ll have a listen.
Are you new here?
should have realised the look of the fork when stationary is more important than the loss of performance when riding it.
I'm still crossing everything for an updated 2021 reverb AXS with 200mm drop, the current one has been out nearly 18 months...
Ordered from jtech. Will see how it goes!
are people seriously spending cash just so their fork sits a bit higher when stationary
I'm upgrading from an original air shaft to debonair. Given I'm a 120mm 29er, I don't particularly want to sit low in the travel if there is a better solution
It stands to reason that if the fork sags 10mm when unweighted then it will also be sitting further into the travel when you're riding, so you'll have a higher dynamic ride height with the new spring. Worthwhile upgrade with minimal outlay.
Bike will sit where you set sag to when you are on it. The fork isn’t unweighted, the bike frame etc are pushing it down. I’m his lock down is making people
Seriously gullible lol
Agree with @Robbo89 😏
I can't say that I've ever set a fork up by checking sag. It's always been by how it rides, but when I've checked it, it's been circa 10-15%. I know I'd rather have a higher ride height, with more usable travel and need less tokens to avoid slamming into the bottom out bumper.
the bike frame etc are pushing it down
Really, can couple of kilos tops of handlebars and levers plus a bit of frame can compress a fork.
My 74kg must really squash the fork to its limits
Really, can couple of kilos tops of handlebars and levers plus a bit of frame can compress a fork.
My 74kg must really squash the fork to its limits
I have a couple of forks with Lyriks fitted. Its very noticeable on my E-bike due to the weight of the bike but don't really notice it on my enduro bike.
should have realised the look of the fork when stationary is more important than the loss of performance when riding it.
Why would you say that? Did you read my previous comment about my BB being too low?
I'm going to get a 10mm longer shaft anyway and this new one will help make a more meaningful difference to ride height.
Happy now chuckles?
I've just upgraded to the Debonair spring a few weeks back.
I went for a 170mm shaft to replace the 160mm solo air.
Will see how this and the Charger 2.1 RC2 damper upgrade I did at the same time goes when I can get some decent mileage and set up time on them.
The new foot nut and seal head might be worth a go as it's only £25 and can be put back to normal if I don't like how it rides.
Did you read my previous comment about my BB being too low?
That isn’t going to help with the ride height when you’re on the bike. The fact the negative air spring is smaller means you’ll need less air for the same ride height which in turn will mean less support and bottom out resistance.
From reading the comments over on PB sounds like the Vorsprung guys might be coming up with an alternative solution to the travel loss issue.
posh
The fact the negative air spring is smaller means you’ll need less air for the same ride height
People who have actually ridden the new spring are using the same pressure.
Yes, I'll take the word of the manufacturer and those who have actually ridden it, thanks Poah.
Rofl
I've a 2019 boost revelation 140mm travel. Will this fit? On the drop down menu on j tech site they don't list a revelation? I also found this when I shopped around for a charger damper for my fork. Any idea?
I fitted the damper in January and it's probably covered 300miles on new skf wiper seals, would they be OK to reuse of I dropped the lowers again for best to replace?
Better call j tech on Tues, he is very helpful IME.
I usually re use all seals at first lowers service.
The 2018 onwards revelation uses the same chassis as the pike, i.e. 35mm so it'll fit.
The compatibility chart shows 2018 and 2019 pike/revelation 35mm both use the B1+ spring.