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So what does CFH do I wonder...?
Flashy's real name is Hotrock Allez-Stumpjumper. The licencing agreement has kept him in appalling plastic footwear for years.
So what does CFH do I wonder...?
lives off the face mask royalty fees
I think he's an international man of mystery...
I'm having very bad thoughts about the Allez.
I got my local shop to weigh a 56cm Allez Elite, minus pedals, but plus bell, reflectors, plastic doofer behind cassette etc.
Came in at 9kg, and I charitably choose to believe that the weight of the bell/reflectors etc. is approximately the same as the weight of a set of Look pedals so they cancel one another out.
Think I can get that down to 8.3kg (ish, based on printed weights so probably not quite that low) spending another £750.
So now I'm looking for similar bikes which would cost £1750, weigh the same or less but still offer a similar package.
The Rose XEON GF keeps coming out top of the list, and I'm slightly more keen on the white/green/black colour scheme than I am on the Blue/orangey-red scheme of the Allez. Rose has press-fit BB unfortunately but I don't think that's a deal breaker any more. Rose almost certainly lighter (if printed weights are to be believed) and you get more Ultegra for your money.
Anecdotally, sounds like the Allez offers more tyre clearance, and I don't need to wait for it to be delivered, plus I can test ride an Allez locally.
Hmmmmmmmm.....
I reckon you could save ~400g on the wheelset straight off perhaps with a set of Novatec Jetflys or Chainreaction's Prime wheels for either side of about £300. Add a set of decent ~220g tyres like Conti 4000s and that will be a bit more. Thats assuming the wheels on the Allez will be quite basic?
£100 on sensible, carefully spec'd finishing kit would save a bit more. Deda do stuff that is quite light at good prices. I've found Uno stuff on ebay fine also.
I don't think it should cost £750 to save 700g weight on a £1k bike if you do your research.
£1 - 1gram is not that far off for weight saving , but things are improving especially at the lower end and it's not all about spending the most.
Spesh sworks or ritchey wcs alloy stuff can be had for sensible money
Possibly don't *need* to spend £750, but that's for components that meet all my other various fussy criteria, for instance I really want either Fulcrum Racing 3s or Shimano RS81s as I like the bearing systems both wheelsets employ. I'd assumed a saving of 200g for the wheelset and 200g on tyres...
Also give consideration to your own weight/power when looking at wheels
https://www.bellscycling.co.za/product/2018-enduro-coil-296fattie/
something doesn't seem right there, it doesn't mention a flip chip in the description but then lists a HA and a low HA but then only lists a SA, I thought flipchips impact both HA and SA?
edit: also the 11speed GX seems wrong with 12speed GX just coming out, this bike will be £5k so why the poor spec!
[quote=oikeith > https://www.bellscycling.co.za/product/2018-enduro-coil-296fattie/
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something doesn't seem right there, it doesn't mention a flip chip in the description but then lists a HA and a low HA but then only lists a SA, I thought flipchips impact both HA and SA?
edit: also the 11speed GX seems wrong with 12speed GX just coming out, this bike will be £5k so why the poor spec!
It is listing the new 150mm command post so it [i]feels[/i] like the 2018 spec
The colourway which is on there website matches that of recent pictures of Graves'/Keenes' bikes. Slight geometry changes semi confirmed? Guess crankworkx would be the logical place for any announcements.
https://www.bellscycling.co.za/product-category/bikes/maountain/camber-trail/
Shit hot Cambers!
I don't think there any big changes just a dropper post and cheaper prices
Oh you the geo on the enduro changes by shock length
'plus a geometry that can be “adjusted” via a shock extension with a “low/high” setting.'
I saw the S-Works Stumpjumper today. Exactly the same as the 2017 model from what I could tell. It's green on black instead of red.
Oh, and it's gone up to 8 grand. Which is nice.
So the 2018 enduro is confirmed:
http://www.mbr.co.uk/news/bike_news/2018-specialized-enduro-364050
Two things, bb is a bit high and the price is a bit strong!
Bottom bracket is 6mm lower than last years in low setting. Releasing the flip chip as a retro fit is also great news for 2017 owners
is it still proprietry shock mount?
I'd heard from a pal about the E29 getting tweaked again, wasn't sure whether to believe it or not. Turns out it's true and the thing is still too bloody short.
Hope the flip-chip update will be free to 2017 bike owners, as Spesh have made such a balls-up of this.
is it still proprietry shock mount?
Yep
I rode a demo 2017 Enduro 29 and loved it, I wouldn't say Spesh have made a balls-up. It was the cheaper Comp model too rather than a fancy-pants one.
I rode a demo 2017 Enduro 29 and loved it, I wouldn't say Spesh have made a balls-up.
I'm riding a 2016 one and the 2017 was virtually the same. Changing a frame after one year is almost unheard of, so that's what I meant by balls-up.
BB height is a personal thing, but my E29 was ridiculously lofty until I swapped the shock linkage for the shorter 650b one. Which is kind of what this flip chip is allowing riders to do.
I rode a demo 2017 Enduro 29 and loved it, I wouldn't say Spesh have made a balls-up. It was the cheaper Comp model too rather than a fancy-pants one.
Chakaping up there owns one, so I'd say he's qualified to comment. [b]edit - he beat me to it![/b]
I like them, apart from that daft shock mount.
I agree. Seems like changes that should have been on the 2017 model though.
Now a lot of people with the last model bike that's only a few months old. Bound to have knocked some value off second hand prices
Are the changes in geometry solely due to the flip chip, or have they actually added material to the top tube and down tube to lengthen the front end?
If the latter, it's no small task...
Frames are longer, so they've had new carbon moulds made for two years running.
Good stuff over on PB
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/specialized-update-enduro-for-2018-first-look.html
The steerer tube things is cool but not available aftermarket
The E29 head tubes seem long for a 29er that will need at least a 160mm fork.
The E29 head tubes seem long for a 29er that will need at least a 160mm fork.
Same length as last year and shorter than 2016. Overall stack height has been reduced
I suppose the 120mm-odd on the large stood out for me because I'd have to upsize to get the correct reach.
Yeah the 2016 HTs are also too long.
Cha****ng the headtube on the large 29er is only 110mm
The S Works frame only Enduro is.....
Yum.
I stand corrected, was reading the chart wrong.
That's a good move then.
Anyone know when the 2018 linkages and yokes will be available to buy for the 2017s?
CaptainFlashheart - Member
The S Works frame only Enduro is.....Yum.
Just looked it up and my god you're right. Looks lovely.
Anyone know when the 2018 linkages and yokes will be available to buy for the 2017s?
Pinkbike seem to think that the shock yoke will be available aftermarket for 2017 Enduro owners.
[quote=PJM1974 ]Pinkbike seem to think that the shock yoke will be available aftermarket for 2017 Enduro owners.
If not I'm sure Bike Yoke will make one
Wonder if the 650b yoke does the same job on the 2017 29er as on the earlier models.
If not I'm sure Bike Yoke will make one
Oooh...*googles*
This is very interesting. I've a 2014 Stumpy Evo 29er, which won't take an angleset, nor is there room for an offset bushing (I run a Monarch Debonair which fits *very* closely to the forward shock mount). I did think about skimming off a couple of millimetres from the shock yoke to slacken the front a little, but this looks just the ticket.
Thank you!
[url= https://www.bikeyoke.de/en/bikeyokes/ ]Bike Yoke[/url]
I like this one. The S-Works is too much money for me even at mates rates.
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I kind of wish they'd stop being so consvervative with the geometry though. A few mill here, half a degree there etc. I know they have to sell a new model every year but they're being left behind.
The other bike I'm strongly considering is a Geometron which dwarves the Enduro. The Spesh is a much nicer, better looking off the shelf package and no doubt will be very highly rated but I'm very tempted to buy something a bit more radical.
For the record, I'm 6'2" and I'm just starting to see bikes that fit properly for the first time despite riding since the mid 90's.