No fruit? As Mr Bannatyne says "Im oot".
That's what I thought. But it's only for the initial weight loss period then it's back to Fruit Central.
Jamie - MemberWhat will you be doing to achieve that?
Running 20-30 mins 2 times a week. 300-500 cals per run = 2 x 400 = 800
Turbo 45-60 mins 3 times a week. 500-800 cals per session = 3 x 700 = 2100
Game of squash once a week. (Time allowing) = 600 cals = 600
Bike 2-3hr ride once a week (alhough injured at the moment so upping turbo time) = 1000 cals
so 800+2100+600+1000 = 4500 = oh bugger! eat less or do more then 😕
[mr motivator on] A cold you say, this is not a reason this in an excuse, and your and excuse if you use that. MTFU deal with it and shed those pounds ya big pansie!!! [/mr motivator off]
Mr Motivator has gotten to be a lot meaner than I remember. 😥
Never understood the whole no carbs thing. I'd much rather eat 'good' carbs and burn them all off untill I hit the wall.
I'm just aiming to go to the gym every evening or go out riding on my own and just go at it untill I hit the wall. On the asumption I'll have no carbs left in my system afterwards and I'll have had the benifit of doing some excercise.
Used to do 15miles each way every day, I miss those days, I used to munch down a bag of harribo with brekie at work and another one before heading home!
Weekends I'm just going to eat lots of carbs friday and saturday to keep me fueled up for riding and will be aiming for about 40miles each day.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006th1n ]here on the BBC[/url]For the weigh-in, taken from the BBC:
For a man of his age (late 40's) it's considered average that his fat % to be 22-25%.
Men's bodies contain 50% water, women's 30%.
Endurance athletes can lose up to 2-4ltrs of water per hour with exercise. If you lose more than 2% of your body weight from sweating (ie - not replaced fully) then performance is impaired.
This loss of 2% can occur within the first hour of exercise.
At the elite level, replace water loss to include water with sodium & sugars.
Look at urine colour - pale straw colour is best, orange is not hydrated enough.
Weight loss and weigh-ins can provide the person with a good idea of how much they sweat per hour during exercise.
1kg of weight loss = approx 1ltr of sweat.
Too much water before or during exercise can result in a stitch (runners more perhaps?).
Small amounts and often is the best way to hydrate.
Alcohol = net fluid loss (unless it's very weak beer).
Glass of wine = loss of 100ml of fluid.
A shot = 150ml loss.
Don't hydrate with sugary drinks.
Tea & coffee contain caffeine and so after 2-4 cups of tea, only then will the diuretic effect kick in. Coffee has 2x the amount of caffeine as tea. Espresso and such like are not good as you take in very little water at the same time.
ps - can we also expunge those twin American evils - gonna & gotten, they are NOT English words?
gonna & gotten, they are NOT English words?
Well used int' Yorkshire
I'm into the no carbs thing. I like to thing of it from an evolutionary point of view. We didn't have agriculture until about 10k years ago, prior top that we didn't eat loads of carbs as wheat/grains and spuds grew disparately so collecting lots of them to make bread or pasta was too energetically expensive. That's why a varied diet is best for you - a hand full of beans, an apple, maybe a small handful of grain or one spud etc. There appears to be lots of evidence that a happy pancreas prefers to produce enough insulin to deal with about 40g of carbs a day, most of us eat more like 350g of carbs, whilst the pancreas can do this its gets knackered hence the prevalence of diabetes.
My mate who is diabetic reduced his carbs to carbs from fruit and veg (excluding potatoes completely and no pasta bread etc) and has reduced his insulin dependency to virtually nothing. This essentially provides some evidence that his pancreas is working more normally at this low level of carb intake, although that has yet to be fully determined.
Ban America words from the written word. Next you’ll be using color, which is again, unacceptable!
Colloquialisms are fine but need to be placed in " inverted commas" when used or else people will think you don't know the difference! Having been brought up in the North Riding, I know this all too well.
Toys19 - how does this equate to most of the world's population surviving for the last 12,000 yrs on rice or the cultivation of millet going back 10,000 years?
Now - back to the OP.
Toys19 - how does this equate to most of the world's population surviving for the last 12,000 yrs on rice or the cultivation of millet going back 10,000 years?
I don't think your statement has any bearing on whether carbs make you fat does it?
The point is 10k years is not long enough for evolution to have done its thing, hence the so called paleo diets or others. So just because they eat lots of carbs doesn't mean it was good for them, average life expectancy of a caveman was about 30 years, so probably most of them died in a diabetic coma!! (Joke) In reality the vast majority would have died before middle age spread or late onset diabetes came about anyway, so there was no evolutionary driver. Life would have been too tough to have time to get fat, unless you were king.
Obesity, diabetes and heart disease are afflictions of civilization.
Look at it this way, anyone who has had any experience of farming will know how to fatten a goose or a cow. Do you feed them fat?
just as aside, that curry was bloody brilliant.
but i'm now full of guilt 😳
Like Chucky I did a 20 mile commute this morning, so figured the Double Decker for elevenses and flap jack / crisps with my sandwich for lunch were okay.
Anybody up for making this more scientific / geeky and reporting the time to do a regular ride each week as well, to see what if any correlation there is between weight and speed? Eg the regular mid week training route or commute?
Or is this thread more about vanity than performance? 😈
[mr motivator on] A cold you say, this is not a reason this in an excuse, and your and excuse if you use that. MTFU deal with it and shed those pounds ya big pansie!!! [/mr motivator off]
Well, I'm using the whole, it's not gone below my throat argument so will be riding tonight 🙂
You're right retro.. he's more like gunnery sg Hartman... 🙄
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All I know is that my time to work on Monday was 1hr 2mins (rolling time and 20.5 miles)
Last night I had a hard ride on a heavyish bike with sticky tyres round Farleton Knott.
and this morning to work it was 1hr 9 min 😳
and now I'm truly buggered.
I think my frame of mind and how tired I am probably has more effect on [b]my[/b] riding time than my fitness at the moment.
If you can do 20 miles in an hour every day, how exactly can you be in a position to lose 10kg!
I'm just in it for vanity. Will go to work on some propper structured training once the weights gone.
8 mile commute here, rode in with the wife yesterday and had a 10mph average, rode in by myself today and got 15mph. Fairly speedy Tricross bike and country road/bridleway path.
Can't see myself getting to 20mph average! 🙂
1hr 2mins (rolling time and 20.5 miles)
So that could have taken you two hours with frequent stops 🙂
I think this thread is going to force me to buy one of these to get some fast road miles in while i cannot run due to peroneal tendon issues.....
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All others carbs/starches are out: sugar, cerals, breads, cakes, biccies, pasta, rice, potatoes, crisps, chocolate, pizza, beer, white wine ...
I think I'd rather die....
cow. Do you feed them fat?
I think you'll find cows are omnivores - last I looked.
If you are a farmer, you'll be familiar with the practise of gavage; force feeding animals. Or leblouh, force feeding the bride-to-be - in some cultures.
This has now died out in the UK since all our women folk seem to be either fat or obese!
As in most societies, people want what they're not or don't have.
Fat want to be thin, thin want to be fat, straight hair wants curls, curly wants straighteners for Xmas, and so it goes on. This post in many ways is not dissimilar. The OP wants to lose weigh so he can manage the climbs better. There comes a point at which weight loss actually become detrimental to the end game.
If you can do 20 miles in an hour every day, how exactly can you be in a position to lose 10kg!
It's only twice a week and it's my belly that needs to go, it does kill me by the way. I look like a 5ft 4" bloodblister for the first hour at work. This morning was only 17.5MPH.
Going home is always slower.
and
I'm trying to lose a stone that way i'll be under 10stone, not 10kg.
Some guy on here a couple of months ago was doing something like 25MPH commuting to work in Scotland. IIRC it was over 30 miles either way as well.
he must be a bloody hero. 😯
I think you'll find cows are omnivores - last I looked.
I think you'll find you missed my point! You fatten them by feeding them grain - carbs.
(Also cows are herbivores?)
Or he's set if computer up in km/h and reading it as miles/h :p
I used to do 15miles each way, a good time was arround 45 min getting in, a few min less on the way home. Didnt half hurt though, and most days it was nearer the hour mark in the mornings.
Still do that 15/30 mile ride as a loop whenever I'm home in order to dissapoint myself into realising quite how slow I am now!
Is the Boadman carbon bike (as above) for £999, now the default setting for mtn bikers when buying a road bike for training purposes?
What's wrong with a mtn bike on the road - put on 2.3 chunky winter tyres and train hard! (I average 13mph on the 26er, 14mph on the 29er)
(I was just checking you were still with me with the omni / herbi BTW. Cows are, as you well know, carnivores.)
(I was just checking you were still with me with the omni / herbi BTW. Cows are, as you well know, carnivores.)
Indeed. Thanks god for that. I was feeding my cow frogs last night and she wasn't complaining.
Ti29er:
Is the Boadman carbon bike (as above) for £999, now the default setting for mtn bikers when buying a road bike for training purposes?What's wrong with a mtn bike on the road - put on 2.3 chunky winter tyres and train hard! (I average 13mph on the 26er, 14mph on the 29er)
...for the record i have been road riding on a Dialled Alpine (i really should chance my frame) with coil pikes and 2.35 UST tyres. Avg 13mph on last 26 mile jaunt round Rutland Water. I am over biked as it is on my local trails (Woburn)....so on the road its just ridiculous.
Oh and Boardman is £850 😉
Whats wrong with road bikes for their own sake, lets face it none of us are 'training' to be national XC champ.
I just ride whatever bike I feel like, and over the winter the road bike just makes sense, can get a couple of hours riding in, put bike back in the shed and it wont cost me a penny in wear on parts. The mountain bike could easily eat £20 in parts on a bad day!
Me
thisisnotaspoon
Chucky (aka Vortex Racing)
tiger_roach
Swift
takisawa2
TheDoctor
AndrewBF (5kg)
lrd (5kg)
toys19
Jamie
ianpinder
stevio
Dimmadan
neninja
Diawl
FROGLEEK
Bedds (6kg)
andy7t2
Toasty
thegreatape
DaddyFool (7kg)
Breathe in lads....I'll just squeeze in at the bottom here...cheers. Email on its way.
[url= http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_502001_langId_-1_categoryId_165710 ]£999 at Halfords. CF jobbie that's all the rave reviews are about.[/url]
Rutland Water - sounds flat, or are you Jesus on wheels?
Right now a mtn bike 'round these parts on the minor roads makes perfect sense as they're are in a dreadful state. In the winter it makes sense too as you have more contact patch with the wet, slippery road surfaces. I sold my Trek 2300 on eBay last week (£461) as it never left the shed.
Wow, lots of people joined in now, if we all lost the claimed weight that'd be the equivalent of one of these according to google:
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Be interesting to see how we do as a collective, and who loses the highest percentage of initial body mass.
So far,
User weight target height bmi
toys19 90 80 #DIV/0!
swift 100 90 178 31.56
Andrew Falkingbridge 88 83 #DIV/0!
The Doctor 86 75 186 24.86
Ian Pinder 172.3 #DIV/0!
Chucky 71 63 162.5 26.89
Jamie 70 67 170 24.22
Toys 19 90 80 168 31.89
takisawa2 104.5 94.5 175 34.12
Stevio 82 #DIV/0!
Simon 84 74 #DIV/0!
frogleek 95 85 #DIV/0!
toasty 97.7 87.7 #DIV/0!
andy7t2 89 79 185 26
Garry_lager 100.9 93.9 183 30.13
The great ape 117 107 #DIV/0!
lrd 80.5 70.5 170 27.85
spacemonkey 87.3 77.3 #DIV/0!
Bedds 74.4 64.4 #DIV/0!
Daddy fool 86.8 78.2 #DIV/0!
#DIV/0!
Just looking at these figures and one leaps out: The Doctor.
To go from 86 to 75kg is asking a huge amount. That would leave you with a BMI of 21.6. (I guessed a DOB 1970)
I've been down to that BMI and there was nothing of me, you could see striations in my back & shouldre muscles and people kept asking me what was wrong, if I was ill (I'd been solo trekking in the High Andes for 2+ weeks).
Ti29er, how do you work out your final BMI?
In fact TINAS how did you work it in the first place as I haven't a clue what mine was
Can you change my target weight to 66.5kg. Might as well make it 10.5stone as it has a certain ring to it 
@thisisnotaspoon
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Tiger6791 weight 92kg target 82kg Height 180cm BMI 28.3[/b]
Just done 1hr 30 mins on turbo HR monitor says 1242 Cals
2-days in & alls well.
Have resisted jaffa-cakes at work & surprisingly resisted usual fridge binge-fest with the boys when we came in ravenous tonight. Just had nice "treat"...meringue nest with strawberries, blueberries & creme freche.
Off to MachX / CyB Fri so hopefully burn a few calories there. 😉
Fair play to you all. I am trying the slower method of moderation and a bit more exercise. Have cut back mid week alcohol and upper my commuting distance and shed about 6 or 7 lb on the last month. It will take longer to get there but I think I will ne able to maintain it. Good luck!
BMI = weight in kg divided by height in meters, squared
eg
Thisisnotaspoon is 87kg, 1.81m tall
87/(1.81*1.81) = 26.55
Grilled Chicken salad, game of squash booked for 3pm.
I can feel the fat melting away. Only 9 weeks 4 days to go
A tough group ride last night and jacket spud with salmon for lunch.. I'm also feeling good - even the cold seems to have faded today 🙂
I'm off the rails, had a cake with lunch today and had to have a sandwich before bed last night as there was nothign left in me!
Off to Swinley top session jump gulley untill i can't walk anymore.
Where do I sign in?
76k need to be down to 70 ideally 66.
had a cake with lunch today and had to have a sandwich before bed last night
This is not a problem and there is room to get this back.
Cake = 350 Cals
S/W = 400 Cals
So on the turbo or a quick hours ride and bad work undone! Back on track no reason to give up 😆
count me in 🙂
no chips for me post ride tonight then.
I'm off the rails, had a cake with lunch today....
Burn him!!!!
I just had a pint so guess i should torch myself while we are at it
