agree with cookeaa incidently. if i hadnt shattered my knee last year, i'd be preparing for pearce series right now...
i still ride bmx every day.
im just a biker. just right now im VERY interested in roadying. find it odd that people call it ghey.
easily the hardest (physically) riding i have tried to date...
All Cycling is good… FACT!
amen to that
It is tough isn't it. Thing is there's no one there just having a go for fun. You have to be as good as the man in front.
I think I'm starting to talk myself out of racing again.
I'm sure I've said it before.... Road racing is about using your head just as much as your legs, it's not about who's fittest, it's about who is smartest...
It really used to wee me off that the guys who struggled on training runs always beat me; they knew, I didn't...
yeh your both right. i even took my turn on the front on the way out, trying to be nice etc. really hurting, and when i peeled off i basically went from the front row to dead last. wasnt a good sign!
Hmmm tried to be nice. I know you said you were new to it, but I didn't realise you were born yesterday 
I've been thinking that I need to take a road bike to the Alps. You can threaten to burn me if you want, but I don't care.
Road riding (like any other riding) is f**king brilliant.
was informed (read: stitched up!) by my mate that it was a 'gentle out, then race back' kind of affair.
well i've never ridden that fast into a headwind so i've no idea if they thought it was gentle out. didnt have enough lung left to ask...
Anyway, for proper willy waving, we need to see power surely?
Training with a proper plan and power meter seriously focusses your training effort. Whereas before I could spend 2-3 hours generally riding/training, I can now focus my effort and get better results in half the time!
Road riding demands more constant and sustained power output whereas MTB requires quick flutuating power output. Road riding is fantastic for fitness training because of this but MTB requires something a little different.
End of the day, just riding a bike is fun 
Saw Dave Brailsford recently at a talk... they seemed to have boiled road racing down to power too.
i know there's more to it (as my tactical ignorance helped to prove)
but he was talking about wiggins' weight loss before the tour etc. and aiming for a magical sustained power output of (IIRC) 6.5W/kg.
never trained with power myself. so im not sure how acheivable this is for us mortals.. but was claimed to be a good number for alpish climbing.
/...magical sustained power output of (IIRC) 6.5W/kg.
Well according to my turbo I'm under 2....
Edit - ah that's Watts/lb so about 4 for me over 45 mins on the turbo though not sure how accurate that is.
Yeah it's all fun. But I couldn't do roadying beacause big wide roads depress me, you really see how slow you're going.
Nice tight, singletrack feels faster, and I need the stimulation of technical features to keep my mind off the pain. On the commute I take the longest route with the most crossings, kerbs etc. What I really don't like about the road is how you feel the pressure of the cars around you.
Must have been nicer 100 years ago.
Interested in the most economical way into power training.
IIRC that guy up there said if I'm to just train for about 40 miles I need to be averaging 26MPH. I think I just went home at that point.
6.5W/kg is really quite impressive!
I did a fitness test in January, with a cold, and mine was 4.68W/kg. I've dropped a bit of weight since, so should be over 5 when I do a proper test again. Training Peaks tells you all the numbers when you upload data from a PowerTap, but I don't do long enough intervals in training for it to mean that much!
I get just as excited touching up my road bike(s) as i do my MTB(s).
Ridings good too.
Would happily do either right now.
As long as your riding your keeping fit which equates to pay offs on or off road.
Interested in the most economical way into power training.
I do all the power related training on the Fortius and the general endurance training outside when possible. I find it makes for an ideal mix.
I couldn't really see the point of spending nearly 2k on a road bike setup when I train outside as much on the mtb as the road bike, the same with racing. Although I could buy 2 units for each bike 
Here is my field test graph from last Decemeber, this was my 1st test and whilst not really impressive on a willy waving front it just shows what information can be recorded and used.
Interstingly I did the same field test again 5 weeks ago before starting the full test program after edurance training and my average power was 10% up already which I was really pleased with.
I haven't calculated my W/kg yet, may see if I can work it out tonight after my VO2 max training.
Here is my field test graph from last Decemeber, this was my 1st test and whilst not really impressive on a willy waving front it just shows what information can be recorded and used.
I don't care, it looks WAY cool.
These Tacx Fortius things expensive are they?
/googles.
GAH!!
I have an I-magic with the Fortius software, but I'd rather stick needles in my eyes than use it, it really is so boring! Used to use it more at uni, when I lived in the middle of a city, but now it's gathering dust in the cupboard!
I've had a PowerTap on the road for about 2 months now, and that is awesome, combined with TrainingPeaks WKO software it can do all sorts of crazy analysis, which is all very interesting.
Edit: you can also use a PowerTap on any turbo trainer just as effectively, one up on the turbos with power IMO.
lol at njee20, I actually quite enjoy the Fortius and have had no choice in recent months dues to large amounts of snow making training outside almost impossible.
PowerTap and the likes are certainly the better/best (or maybe proper) option if it fits with you. Would love one as an addition but the budget is already blown this year
Anyway, I am very happy with my progress on the Fortius so far, I really rate them.
It's undoubtedly a very powerful tool, I think the Fortius with the motorbrake is much more accurate than the normal I-magic.
Just out of interest, how hard were you trying on that session?
So if I've got one of these somewhere in the garage can I use it for power training?
Just out of interest, how hard were you trying on that session?
Not making excuses honest, it's the only graph I have uploaded on the net to show off the analyser
It won't tell you your power output no, that's the useful part. All that appears to do is be able to simulate a fair bit of resistance!
Edit: and what was your average power output for the 8 minutes? That'll give you an idea of your W/kg.
So if I've got one of these somewhere in the garage can I use it for power training?Tacx Swing
Edit: and what was your average power output for the 8 minutes? That'll give you an idea of your W/kg.
I really really want to get out and ride now after reading this, if I'm not well by Sunday I'll go loopy. Two weeks off the bike is pure misery.
Blue skies and dry tarmac climbs isn't it.
Hmm, bit icy on the way in this morning. A few high cadence reps. 16mph and 181W average.
Should be a nice ride home, it's good and mild today, two 15 minute blocks at 250W. Sadly I'll be horribly overdressed from this morning, so I'll try not to enjoy it too much!
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