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I'm not sure if these are good/bad/ugly, but £349.99 (rrp £1299.99) including Rock Shox Monarch shock seems like great value? Should I be tempted despite the unfashionable wheel size?
http://www.ukbikesdepot.com/m90b0s717p14051/GENESIS_Grapil_Full_Suspension_Mountain_Bike_Frame_2013
I'd want to make sure I was covered in the event of it snapping.
Were they renowned for that?
EDIT: a bit of googling suggests that they were susceptible to snapping at the chainstay welds.... Does anyone know if the early issues with these frames were sorted?
They were dropped from the range pretty quick. Make of that what you will.
They rode nice though. And they'll have a full warranty. If it cracked you'd probably be given a refund or a Saracen.
Good point... shame as most of the reviews I have found seem to rate them.
They look fantastic especially at the price ?? Do not like the fact they are not in current range though ?
I had a green one that snapped at the chain stay, totally out of the blue (scared the bejaysus out of dog who proceeded to follow me out of the forrest, barking his head off) Was replaced under warranty by madison eventually, but I would make sure you have warranty back up. Grand wee frame apart from that!
Mate picked one up (barely) used from a friend of a friend that works at madison. It's a lovely trail bike - he was very anti FS but gave in because the bike was such a steal, he's loving it and is a whole lot quicker. I think he would say that it climbs fine and descends with confidence but is tight enough to not feel too wallowy if that makes sense
If it helps anyone, I emailed UK Bikes Depot and they have confirmed these frames have a re-designed (presumably non-snapping) rear triangle.
If it helps anyone, I emailed UK Bikes Depot and they have confirmed these frames have a re-designed (presumably non-snapping) rear triangle.
Thanks - I had asked same question but not got a reply yet, now to do the hand wringing so soon after xmas splurge 😕
Looks like it can be made fashionable again by fitting it 650b style. See the note in the item description on uk bike depot.
Thats a great buy . the head tube being 44mm also means you can fit any fork in there as well . ( apart from full 1.5 obviously ).
Geometry info here if anyone's interested
Anyone got one already? Be interested to know if they are now definitely fixed
So this is a 26" frame that can take a 650b? Hmmm, tempting - I'm considering a replacement for my heckler. Good find!
Argh I'd have bought one if not for the Mega TR I bought last year
damn it... what headset do i need for 1 1/8?
look at nukeproof they do a headset for 44 to take that size.
I have one and have had for 18 months. Running 1/8th forks with a crownrace adapter working on 1 1/2 bearings. I ran my first frame hard for 12 months but it started to suffer from play in the bushes/axles in the shock pivot. When I tried to replace them it became apparent that my frame was a very early one with a non-standard arrangement (possibly a preproduction run). Anyway, long story short, bits could not be found so eventually was given a new frame. I compared chainstays on both frames and they were identical. Both frames I have had have taken a good beating without breaking. I would question how big a tyre you could fit if you did opt to try 650b.
At that price I may buy one as a spare!
Much of the reason Genesis dropped them (as I have been led to believe) is that Madison wanted Saracen to be their major FS MTB range while Genesis should stick to traditional HTs and touring/racing bikes. Much of the developement of the Grapil can be seen in the Aerial bikes.
it says on the advert the tyre size is 2.1 to 2,2 tops. not sure how big that comes up compared to a 26 and a 2.35 or something.
I had one, lovely frame, sorted geometry, but it snapped too. An early one before the 'redesigned' rear end.. I would doubt much clearance for 650b tyres...an ikon would go in I'm sure.
these frames have a re-designed (presumably non-snapping) rear triangle.
I'm not seeing much of a redesign in the website image but as it was a weld penetration problem maybe they just welded them correctly second time around.
I wonder what the warranty is like on these considering their frail history?
Nowt to do with warranty, all about SOGA
Nowt to do with warranty, all about SOGA
Exactly, a dodgy history, or fact they are discontinued means SFA in terms of your consumer rights. You should buy this with as much confidence as you would any other frame. Remember your contract and obligation to sort any issues lies with the retailer anyway, not a manufacturer who may or may not still be making the product.
It's a great buy, I've passed on to a couple of mates already!
i'm sure it'll be fine. (i might keep the old hardtail frame though...)
What size are the 6 footers (with long legs) riding.
Pondering one as my larking about on bike 🙂
6 footer here. Mine is a large (20 inch). with 70mm stem and 740 bars and seat pretty much as far back as it goes. Would not fancy anything smaller TBF but then I like a long bike
Would this be any better than a 2010 5 spot frame?
Thats a great buy . the head tube being 44mm also means you can fit any fork in there as well . ( apart from full 1.5 obviously ).
You can run 1.5" with a 44mm headtube; just need an external top cup.
Anyone know the headtube length for the large theres a misprint in the catalogue unless it hax a 2ft headtube
The other model in the catalogue has the correct head tube length printed.
cheers
Just built up my cotic soul, which was a also a steal, but also have a 29er hardtail, had thought about a FS frame, but couldn't find anything at the right money.
Damn and blast.....
this will be my first foray into the world of full suss - trips to Peaks & Lakes last year taught me that my legs & arms will thank me 🙂
Headtubes are 115mm, 120mm & 135m btw
What is the crown/downtube clearance like? I'm thinking of using a 150mm fork so would like to fit an integrated headset to keep the front end at the same height.
Bit of a bargain, anyone got theirs yet and can weigh the frame?
The only thing that puts me off is the frame having bushings.
Frame weight was approx 7lbs. Bushings worked great on mine.
£330 on Ebay.
Really tempted but I'm bit of a bruiser on a bike and the chainstay history doesn't fill me with confidence.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genesis-Grapil-Frameset-/111569644588
I don't see what's wrong with this deal??
Unless a failed chainstay can cause a fall? If its redesigned crack on. Not literally!!
No warranty on the Ebay one.....?
Unless a failed chainstay can cause a fall?
you'd think...
the issue is it doesnt appear to be a design issue but an manufacturing defect (insufficient weld penetration), and the fact it's discontinued model at massive discount suggests Genesis have no faith in it* and there wont be any spares if it does fail.
*speculation in thread is it was down to streamlining brands, but youre taking a gamble on all the issues being resolved or discounted.
Which isnt to say its not tempting!
Mods, please delete this thread (until pay day)
I'm actually seriously tempted to buy one of these just for a spare - I've no real desire to replace my Hemlock, but it's getting a bit long in the tooth now and £350 is about what I'd expect to spend on a serviceable second hand replacement.
If I had some disposal cash this would be the Mrs new frame, tis a great deal.
Actuall if my appraisal goes ok on wedsneday you can put it back up then