mike_p – Member

they will be strong, cheap and light

Oh no they won’t! Pick any two.

Well at £275, 3.7lb and they exceed the new CEN testing (which a lot of steel frame’s don’t), it appears that they are

Time will tell though

PAs were raced at national level 4X, they can take jumps!

That’ll be a P7 then . . . .

must admit that carbon Whyte is mightly tempting! Not for me but for people who earn good money!

For the price of the Whyte Carbon frame, you could get an Ibis Tranny, and I know which one I would prefer.

Should be OK to jump, if Lopes is racing 4X on it

“at £275, 3.7lb and they exceed the new CEN testing (which a lot of steel frame’s don’t), “

Yes but the steel one which also exceeds the CEN tests is £260 and 5.5lbsish isn’t it?

Its the aluminium one that is £275 and 3.7lbs

thats my point, the Al one is strong (passes the CEN test), cheap (£275 compared to £600 for a Cove) and light (3.7lb compared to the Cove’s 4.5lb or the PA’s 5.5lb)

So if it is any good it its strong, cheap (well cheapish) and light.

Isn’t the CEN testing way in excess of the forces most bikes undergo in use? I remember a thread a while back where Cy Cotic and Brant Whossischops both said that it had sent them back to the drawing board, as nearly all their existing designs would fail it.

As an aside, I love the way this forum turns everyone into an expert on bike design if they hang around on it for long enough. 😉

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I don’t think anyone has posted anything that stupid (well at least for here) on this thread have they?

Don’t put pictures of Ibis Trannies up please….

a bit worried that Stif will cut the price by 30% like they have on the Mojo’s by any chance 🙂

I am starting to sort out my parts mountain to sell, and if I raise enough I would love to get a Ibis or a Ti frame.

Can’t afford one, don’t need one.

It’s a mantra of sorts… 😀

I love my Cove Handjob its great up and down – only the misses doesn’t like the name 😕

and people have a lot of time for a Cotic soul.

The OP’s description of his riding suggests that what he needs is a “mountain bike”. There are a wide selection available.

We analyse this waaaay too much. 🙂

Cove Stiffee. Where others fail, your Stiffee will remain proud forever.

What BigDummy said ^^.
Any XC-biased HT frame will do the job.

No-one has mentioned Pace RC305 yet though… (just to throw it into the mix)

We analyse this waaaay too much

This is true, but i don’t think they’d take kindly to endless discussions about BB height or tyres, on parrot fancier world

and another Prince Albert here

Santa Cruz Chameleon every time…does it all….

love mine

Stiffee.

All CEN has done is make headaches for everybody not because its a test that they have to pass for now at least but

its a flawed test and there are many ways to get a frame to pass
on top of that theres lots of erroneous information from test houses that just dont make sense when you stack up the facts the best on ive seen was that just one frame out of 5 or ten passed …hmm but its classed as a pass

Its a farce and not very representative of a great deal when you cant even say the test was performed reliably

lots of companies are swapping steel for other materials and this could result in decent aluminium and carbon (oh just can’t wait for the carbon frames are shit comments coming soon)frames getting a rather bad rap

miffed because in a world where a chav can forget to do up his quick release and get loadsa money because they had the right legal counsel its can rapidly become open season on bike companies

I wouldnt worry about CEN at the moment its in a state of flux

remember the good old days when you just bought a great frame and beat the shit out of it till it broke!!!any frame that makes you happy

Got a 456 – very happy with it (tho the paint is poo)

Ridden a Soul – very nice too.

Currently like the look of a Whyte 19, but another to add to the list that I don’t think has been mentioned is the Kinesis Decade Virtue – they do look nice. I reckon CRC have them.

Ooh – just spotted, they’re still calling them the Prestige.

bit like a chameleon, only cheaper, and angles that suit a faster ride.
Changeable drop-out for whatever gears/single thing you fancy. Built tough, but not too heavy.

I love mine.

Soul, if you can stretch to the cost, very very good frames indeed. Innerleithen one day, 20 miles of natural XC the next, brilliant at both. But undeniably not cheap

P7 or if more cash Soul.

I reckon the £599 Ti456, if it happens will be worth a look as well.

No-one has mentioned Pace RC305 yet though…

In my case that is deliberate. As I have just built myself one it is naturally the best bike available. But as I have not ridden it yet it seems premature to comment. 🙂