on a serious note - internet trolling

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on a serious note - internet trolling

35 posts & 23 voices | Started 3 months ago by dogbert | Latest reply from cruzheckler

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dogbert - Member

Watched the Panorama thing about cyber bullying and one thing struck me........trolling, really, what is the point exactly?

I can understand if it's a spirited argument that gets out of hand or posting a slightly provocative topic and watching it gather pace (let's face it, that's all that really happens on here, 99% of it is fairly harmless) but purposely seeking out or creating RIP pages on facebook to post hateful vitriol has to be just about the scummiest thing i've seen in a long time........but then to try and defend it without the slughtest remorse and to act like it's their god given internet rights, surely these people need to be hunted for sport.

And i don't mean this as a "this forum/some posters" thread, purely a "some people/piss boiling" thread

Posted 3 months ago #
djglover - Member

Oh god, are you one of them bedwetters.

Posted 3 months ago #
maccruiskeen - Member

purposely seeking out or creating RIP pages on facebook to post hateful vitriol has to be just about the scummiest thing i've seen in a long time

Thats not trolling

Posted 3 months ago #
highclimber - Member

Thats not trolling

this.

The media say it is but trolling is just trying to start a discussion by being cock

Posted 3 months ago #
SandyThePig - Member

Yeah. Media in completely missing the point shocker. The folk featured on Panorama were thick, bigoted and abusive. I wouldn't say that was trolling really.

Being a good troll requires much more subtlety, and the ability to twist words and sentences to wind people up, without being blatently obvious. Replying with stuff like "Dead person, you were a whore" isn't trolling IMO.

Posted 3 months ago #
KT1973 - Member

Trolling is basically shit stirring. It's deliberately trying to provoke a reaction.
Like I do to some of the bellends on here.

Posted 3 months ago #
chewkw - Member

I step on you.

Posted 3 months ago #
joao3v16 - Member

Trolling is the perfect antidote to all the weirdos who think interwebs fori should be taken as seriously as real life.

Posted 3 months ago #
Mr Woppit - Member

Like the Mods, for instance...

Posted 3 months ago #
iDave - Member

"Trolling is the perfect antidote to all the weirdos who ~~think interwebs fori should be taken as seriously as~~ don't have a real life."

Posted 3 months ago #
aracer - Member

Being a good troll requires much more subtlety, and the ability to twist words and sentences to wind people up, without being blatently obvious.

So those people were just bad trolls?

Posted 3 months ago #
Junkyard - Member

WTF is the point saying something you dont mean just for a reaction..childish , immature and mainly pointless.

Of course I did not watch the programme we are discussing

Posted 3 months ago #
derekrides - Member

Yes, there needs to be another expression, those ignorant psychos (who'll immediately claim aspergers syndrome if caught) have nothing to do with proper trollism, which is in itself an art form.

Talk about giving trolls a bad name.

Especially in a place like this, troll nirvana.

Posted 3 months ago #
yunki - Member

so we've made a distinction between trolling and psychotic neanderthal abuse..

but surely trolls.. even by our concensus description.. are still nerdy little sociopathic bellends with personality defects.. seeking validation in their own skewed view of normality because they are so terrified of their inferiority complexes..?

just a thought..

Posted 3 months ago #
Junkyard - Member

wow Derek subtle as ever so psychos and Learning disability in the same sentence..if it is an art form derek then you are the one who turns up with a hammer smashes it all and then claims to be "perfomance art"
I wish you well in getting a life

Actually Yunki put it better than me

Posted 3 months ago #
DezB - Member

WTF is the point saying something you dont mean just for a reaction..childish , immature and mainly pointless.

People think its funny? (or in derekrides case: clever?)

Just as bad on here are people who's only response to a post is "Trolling, surely?" (or similar). Totally f-in pointless.

Posted 3 months ago #
Junkyard - Member

Dez are you trolling ?
IGMC

Yes they do but I still maintain it is childish, opatheitc and a bit pointless or as yunki says

nerdy little sociopathic bellends with personality defects.. seeking validation in their own skewed view of normality because they are so terrified of their inferiority complexes..

I do find it a bit sad tbh. Just say what you think, it is hardly difficult to master annoying folk and provoking a reaction.

Posted 3 months ago #
MrSalmon - Member

WTF is the point saying something you dont mean just for a reaction..childish , immature and mainly pointless.

Well said. One of the lamest things on here is someone saying something daft, realising they're looking like an idiot, and then saying "Ha ha, I was just saying that for the lolz and I got U hook line and sinker".
Trying to save face when being an idiot by claiming to be an even bigger idiot.

Posted 3 months ago #
southbeds - Member

Nimrod Severn AKA Darren Burton. check his new facebook page

Posted 3 months ago #
teasel - Member

trolls.. even by our concensus description.. are still nerdy little sociopathic bellends with personality defects.. seeking validation in their own skewed view of normality because they are so terrified of their inferiority complexes

Very nicely put, particularly the highlighted bit.

Bit sad really...

Posted 3 months ago #
greeble - Member

http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_9693000/9693594.stm

Posted 3 months ago #
duntmatter - Member

Say what you mean. Otherwise who are you?

Posted 3 months ago #
derekrides - Member

Junkyard - Member
wow Derek subtle as ever so psychos and Learning disability in the same sentence..if it is an art form derek then you are the one who turns up with a hammer smashes it all and then claims to be "perfomance art"
I wish you well in getting a life

Actually Yunki put it better than me

Dude everyone puts stuff better than you..

As for hammer smashing - too manual for my taste - I tend to the Damian Hirst technique with "performance art" employ others, that formaldehyde is sooo smelly.

Posted 3 months ago #
DezB - Member

Dude everyone puts stuff better than you..

followed by..

I tend to the Damian Hirst technique with "performance art" employ others, that formaldehyde is sooo smelly.

Except you eh?

Posted 3 months ago #
Junkyard - Member

Dude everyone puts stuff better than you.

Very amusing but not quite everyone

Posted 3 months ago #
derekrides - Member

DezB - Member

Except you eh?

Dude how could you?

I thought that post was really kewell, even googled the formaldehyde spelling..

I'm wasted here..

talking to junkyards ffs

Posted 3 months ago #
maccruiskeen - Member

Proper trolling isn't winding people up for fun, or bullying, or posting deliberate offensive, derogatory or defamatory material. Its starting or contributing to a conversation in a way that prompts a knee-jerk from people to reveal more about themselves than they are aware of, and especially to make them reveal their flaws. Socratic Irony.

Most PR driven news stories are trolls, most radio/TV phone-in-phone-in-your-opinions shows are trolls. The Daily Mail is a massive troll site, trolling both its readers and its non-readers

It has been suggested that the perfect troll is a thread that starts:

"I see Margaret Thatcher has been rushed into hospital. Heres hoping!"

Posted 3 months ago #
teasel - Member

The last part is wonderfully ambiguous and as you point out, would bring out some folks true nature...as long as they weren't trolling of course.

I think we can at least agree that the term internet troll is as ambiguous as your example, the reasons for their actions being incredibly varied.

Posted 3 months ago #
maccruiskeen - Member

What is a mystery though... no matter how 'clever' is why anyone would bother. There are plenty of funnier and more rewarding things you could do with your time - like rubbling lard on the cat's boil for instance.

Posted 3 months ago #
tagger - Member

It has been suggested that the perfect troll is a thread that starts:

"I see Margaret Thatcher has been rushed into hospital. Heres hoping!"

That's not a troll, that's simply spreading mailocious news about a great woman, your sick.

Posted 3 months ago #
yossarian - Member

Troll is a lazy word used by lazy people. It doesn't mean anything anymore. Argumentative? Troll. Rude? Troll. Stubborn? Troll (or TJ). On a wind up? Troll. Etc

Those people on panorama were being nasty bastards. Why invent another meaning for a different word?

Troll is a rubbish internet word. CBA with it.

Posted 3 months ago #
maccruiskeen - Member

your sick

my sick?

Anyway, heres hoping...... she gets well soon.

Posted 3 months ago #
maccruiskeen - Member

Those people on panorama were being nasty bastards. Why invent another meaning for a different word?

Its just lazy journalism, you can make old news new news if you make technology the vector. Like crap about someone being murdered by a guy they met on facebook, as if thats signficant in a way that being murdered by someone you meet on a bus, or at a wedding, or at the opera isn't

Posted 3 months ago #
tagger - Member

maccruiskeen - Member

Those people on panorama were being nasty bastards. Why invent another meaning for a different word?

Its just lazy journalism, you can make old news new news if you make technology the vector.
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cruzheckler - Member

does he still have a real active profile?

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