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I was surprised to find my `old' Stumpy frame was only 1lb heavier than my Soul at 5.4lb.
Now this all sorted (well kind of)...Cy can I also suggest that you introduce a custom colour scheme much like Orange or Santa Cruz. Even being able to pick from the orange, green and blue on each bike would be brilliant and I'd be happy...(checks wallet)...to pay a bit more too!
Scamper - really? [start playing Dvorak, New World No 5] Good old bus the stumpy they're still as good as most bikes out there I reckon, mines an 06 comp, eeh she could tell a few tales, a triggers brush special she is, but she's definitely starting to feel the years/abuse/lack of maintenance...as such it'd be nice to have a slightly firmer start to the suspension stroke without the platform damping/would be good to see a more progressive spring rate/nice to have a stiffer rear end/internal cable routing/tapered head tube for 16% increase in lateral stiffness/virtually any bullsh*t excuse to buy a new bike - in hot pink
Have a 5.Spot and a Flux (I'm a mug for Turner basically). Have to say that the Flux is every bit the bike for 90% of the riding that I do and can handle the other 10%, albeit not as fast as the 5.Spot. Took it around the long loop at Penmachno last weekend. Seriously eroded in places, so way more black than red for the majority of it. Flux kept up with 160mm Enduro no probs. Honestly think that lots of bikes we ride in this country are over-gunned, but fully appreciate that its ultimately down to the individual. therefore, my vote would be for the 100mm, but I guess that that bird has already flown.
Finally 😀 A 120mm to 140mm travel steel framed full sus gets my man bits fizzing in anticipation, for years i've held off buying a full sus as i have an irrational hatred of alloy hydroformed bikes and as for carbon?....Pffft! - a bike should look like a bike not some god-forsaken monstrosity of a multi legged squatting/shitting dog like so many uglies out there, shameful to admit but a bike should have looks along with function and a clearly defined fit for purpose ability. Sounds ideal for my type of riding Cy, when can we order one?, if you need extensive testing done bring it up to Galloway, we'll treat you to some sweet off piste big hill trails up here along with the usual 7stanes stuff.
(Kenny here, I spoke to paul on sat)
Cy
Great review, the problem is always building in strength, as these bikes are going to be ridden hard by some.
As well as a light "woods" Soul I have an Orange five with two complete wheel sets the bike then weighs either 27.5 or just under 29 lbs BUT completely different in character. I only run 140 mm bolt throughs and Maxle back end.
Which is why going to a 100 mm fs soul would be the one for me!
Make a prototype (68 head with a firm 120 up front and 100 rear) in large and i'll buy it when your done. Seems like a few others would like that type of bike also.
Too late for the vote, not that it matters because a full sis bike is not on my radar. But for my tup-pence worth, how about a proper, as in 21", Soul with swappable drop-outs, so I can run it SS? Or even resurrect the 26" wheeled Simple?
However, the key thing that pushed me away from this option is that 120mm forks aren't stiff enough for the situations the geometry gets you into.
Is a 150mm Rev really *that* much stiffer than a 120 Reba thru axle (or equivalent models for Fox)?
Yes. It's partly stiffness, partly travel, but my preference on the Rocket is a light ish 150mm 32 stantion fork which I have no trouble with at all. As you can see from my letter I got myself into some deep scary trouble on similar geometry bike with shorter travel.
I'm sure Cy knows more about marketing mountain bikes than me, but I'm not sure who would actually buy a mini Rocket. In theory I'm the target demographic. I think the Rocket looks good and could be ideal for the sort of natural Scottish trail riding I enjoy, but I worry that it may be too much bike. So a 120/140 version sounds great and may get a few more people looking at the brand. But, unless it is significantly lighter or handles significantly better than the existing Rocket I expect I'd end up thinking that I might as well have the extra travel just in case I ever need it.
It will be interesting to see what Cy does with the bigger wheels though. There are definitely some gaps in the market there.
Cheers
Andy
I think it sounds great. By the sound of it the frame will weigh 2lb ish more than than a Soul, plus a bit of extra weight for the longer fork, which isn't a massive hike. Think I might be sold, I've been considering something similar to a TRC which isn't crazy money!
A longer fork as 20mm 130-150 Revs only add on circa 80g to a QR Reba weight. Going on what Cy suggests, looking at my reasonably tough 1x9 Soul build which includes Revs, Arch EX and 180/180 Deore brakes you'd be looking at a 27-28lb bike depening on tyre choice. Be interesting to see the price, though.
Obviously price isn't set at all yet, but I can't see why anything we're doing would mean it costs more than the Rocket, so I'd expect similar pricing. Major variable will be what shocks cost by the time we're in a position to sell some.
Cy
Fastest bike I have been on recently was a 140 mm 29 er, so fast it needed air brakes, well into warp speed. Crashes probably leading to an orthopaedic unit visit! However the biggest problem is rim strength , as they were being trashed at a regular rate due to the impact speed. Bigger tyres, yep ok but then you have a 2 kg plus rotating mass!
So the best 29 er for my skills/self preservation was a lightweight 120 mm full sus 29er,
Just a thought!!
I'd still just buy a rocket.
A rocket won't be that much heavier than the shorter travel bike and already is supposed to handle "like a short travel bike, until you need the extra travel".
The top tube is pretty much the same length as the Soul, so wouldn't be worried about it being too long.
Oh hold on... a Rocket is still quite slack by comparison... hmm. Not sure.
Yes I am. Still want a Rocket.
Rockette?
Pocket Rocket?
Surely this frame has to be £1000-1200? Or you just may as well buy the rocket which can cover all based?
Must be nearing completion? 😀