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  • It may have hit the fan in Ukraine – passenger jet shot down
  • wwaswas
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    Malaysian passenger jet reportedly shot down.

    Beyond a tragedy for those personally affected this could escalate things internationally very quickly.

    jambalaya
    Free Member

    Plane definitely down, very sad as all aboard are lost, bit too early to confirm it’s been shot down but Russian’s seem to be suggesting so

    hot_fiat
    Full Member

    Oh no. 🙁

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    muppetWrangler
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    ignore me, I can’t read headlines apparently

    footflaps
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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28345039

    And then

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28354856

    Looks like the same incident but possibly initially thought to be a fighter jet not a passenger plane…

    makkag
    Free Member

    Correct URL

    I saw the other bbc one earlier but poster above must be right !

    ell_tell
    Free Member

    Whether it was shot down or an aviation accident very sad news either way for the loss of the pasengers.

    Will have been a tragic year for Malaysian Airlines too what with the loss of their other aircraft.

    njee20
    Free Member

    Looks like the same incident but possibly initially thought to be a fighter jet not a passenger plane…

    I must say I saw the first headline and just assumed military, very odd if that’s not the case, surely if Ukraine were accusing them of shooting down a plane they would know if it was military or civilian?

    jambalaya
    Free Member

    Russian sources saying it was Ukranian missile.

    As per link above it was an Amsterdam to KL flight

    martinhutch
    Full Member

    Rebels in eastern Ukraine say they shot down two Su-25 jets on Wednesday.

    Quote from BBC report.

    One Su-25, One airliner?

    EDIT: Wondering how commercial traffic could be anywhere near airspace in which rebels are known to be regularly taking potshots using ground to air weaponry?

    honeybadgerx
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    Sadly, there’s maybe been the assumption that the rebels have not much in the way of military training, and no access to higher tech, high altitude missiles, so high-level flights may still have been operating.

    martinhutch
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    According to the Telegraph, someone downed a Ukranian transport from 21,000ft three days ago, something which had escaped my attention.

    jambalaya
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    Tensions have been high in the last few days with the Ukranians suspecting Russians of shooting down their planes (EDIT: @martin yes that’s the same incident). Rebels typically don’t have higher altitude surface to air missiles, only government forces.

    hot_fiat
    Full Member

    @FF Separate incidents. The Su25 was alegedly shot down this morning, the Malaysian jet only left AMS after midday.

    Drac
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    The UK Foreign Office said it was aware of the reports of the crash and was “urgently working to establish what has happened”.

    mrchrispy
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    You can watch the track on planefinder disappear around 13.10 😮

    wwaswas
    Full Member

    I wonder what’s going to happen in Gaza during the next 24 hours now the world’s collective eye has been drawn elsewhere.

    Some may see it as a good day to behave in ways they don’t want to be noticed too much?

    rossi46
    Free Member

    Sad news 🙁

    Are Malaysian Airlines jinxed then at the moment?

    jambalaya
    Free Member

    Sky quoting a Ukranian source that it was a Buk missile, these are launched off the back of a armoured vehicle.

    A flight from Holland is going to have been full of holiday makers, very sad.

    Drac
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    Anton Herashchenko, an adviser to Ukraine’s interior minister, was quoted by the Associated Press as saying the plane had been hit by a missile at an altitude of 10,000m (33,000ft). The claim could not be verified independently.

    rossi46
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    I have to ask though, why would an airliner fly over a warzone? Or even a potential warzone?

    Mackem
    Full Member

    ..some bloke on BBC World was wondering about this, basically said the plane shouldnt have been there.

    chewkw
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    Dammit! Not another M’sia airline …

    I will fly pass Ukraine airspace in mid August to KL then to fly M’sia airline for further connecting flight.

    Damn! Very bad publicity for M’sia airline because the other local airline is not one I will fly that often …

    RIP passengers.

    😐

    Edit: if they shoot me down I will come back as one of the 3 horsemen of apocalypse … with black death. 😈

    slimjim78
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    I just found myself thinking for a minute what it would be like to be aboard a passenger airliner struck by a missile in mid air, and not die instantly..

    Awful awful awful.
    What is going on?

    ThePinkster
    Full Member

    What is going on?

    The whole world’s gone f*****g crazy, that’s what’s going on.

    DaveyBoyWonder
    Free Member

    on BBC now as well. Bloody hell….. fubar

    notmyrealname
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    If the aircraft was shot down by Russia, the consequences will be incredibly far reaching.

    I think it might be the end of Malaysia Airlines now after losing two aircraft within a matter of months.

    RIP the poor folk onboard 🙁

    sobriety
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    If the aircraft was shot down by Russia, the consequences will be incredibly far reaching.

    Or they’ll just hang the poor bastard who pushed the button out to dry and carry on regardless. 🙁

    johndoh
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    At the moment both sides are blaming the other but you would assume that the eyes of the world are very much on that region due to the ongoing conflict – surely there must be a spy satellite somewhere that has tracked events?

    sobriety
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    The US will have access to satellite imagery that should be able to identify ultra-violet plumes if a long-range surface-to-air missile was fired.

    From the BBC.

    johndoh
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    But that is after the fact (that technology is claiming to be searching for traces of plumes left in the atmosphere after firing), surely they were watching anyway?

    Kryton57
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    wwaswas – Member
    Malaysian passenger jet reportedly shot down.

    [tinfoilhat]
    No one making the obvious link with the previous Malaysian plane?
    [/tinfoilhat]

    Ro5ey
    Free Member

    Can a plane really be shot down by a surface missle at 30k+ feet?

    Honest question

    matt_outandabout
    Full Member

    [tinfoilhat]
    No one making the obvious link with the previous Malaysian plane?
    [/tinfoilhat]

    I have a metal umbrella, come and shelter with me.

    slimjim78
    Free Member

    Can a plane really be shot down by a surface missle at 30k+ feet?

    Honest question

    Apparently so, from a BUK mounted vehicle

    DaveyBoyWonder
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    6 miles isn’t it so I guess in the grand scheme of things, its not too far for a missile to travel.

    What they thought a plane at 30k ft was a risk to them for though, I’ve no idea. Its not going to be dropping bombs from that height…

    matt_outandabout
    Full Member

    Can a plane really be shot down by a surface missle at 30k+ feet?

    Honest question
    The Wikipedia page for the missile system being reported suggests a maximum target altitude of 25,000ft…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system

    joolsburger
    Free Member

    Ro5ey

    Yup pretty easily too. It’s only 6ish miles and a StA missle is very capable of doing so especially a slow, steady target like an airliner.

    Target engagement zone

    aircraft

    altitude – 15 m – 25 km
    range – 3–42 km

    TBM

    altitude – 2.0–16 km
    range – 3–20 km

    sea targets – up to 25 km
    land targets – up to 15 km.

    vorlich
    Free Member

    Grim news.

    Point made on BBC that the rebels have no air capability, so why would the Ukrainians be using StA missiles…

    sobriety
    Free Member

    so why would the Ukrainians be using StA missiles…

    [Tinfoilhat] They’re pissed off at the Russians for knocking down their planes, and this is a good way of stopping them? [/Tinfoilhat]

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