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Flaperon - Member

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-11396980

"Six Tyneside men have been arrested after filming themselves apparently burning copies of the Koran on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

Police said the men, all from the Gateshead area, were detained after a video appeared on the internet.

They were arrested on suspicion of inciting racial hatred and released on bail pending further inquiries."

I think it's a fairly moronic thing to do, but I thought one of the great things about living in the UK is that we can do this sort of thing if we want to.

Posted 1 year ago #
nickc - Member

but I thought one of the great things about living in the UK is that we can do this sort of thing if we want to.

No, you can't. Which is why they were arrested presumably.

Posted 1 year ago #
tron - Member

As far as I'm aware, Islam is a religion, not a race, so from the text above, no.

On the other hand, they might have been burning the Koran and using racist language at the same time...

Posted 1 year ago #
PeteG55 - Member

Whilst I agree with your point of view, and it being the great thing about living in a free country and all that, we only have to see how much of response there was to that Dutch cartoonist the other year. Wasp nest, kicking it.

Posted 1 year ago #
druidh - Member

The charge is "Inciting Racial hatred". That doesn't mean that what they actually did was racist, but presumably, a Moslem might see that video and decide they hate the British as a result.

Posted 1 year ago #
cynic-al - Member

"inciting racial hatred" - seems reasonable to me (I mean that they are culpable of that crime)

Posted 1 year ago #
barnsleymitch - Member

I doubt they were doing it in an attempt to engender greater tolerance or understanding of muslims, somehow.

Posted 1 year ago #
Filthy - Member

Whilst I don't agree with burning books, this is another attack on our civil liberties. I'm sick to death of this country and it's attitude towards so called terrorists.

It seems were not even allowed to have an opinion anymore!

Posted 1 year ago #
Spongebob - Member

If they are up for insighting racial hatred, they'll not be convicted because this was religious hatred.

Personally, I can't see why anyone would get so upset by a bunch of total strangers willfully destroying their own property, but then it's funny how religion often affects the mind!

Posted 1 year ago #
tron - Member

The charge is "Inciting Racial hatred". That doesn't mean that what they actually did was racist, but presumably, a Moslem might see that video and decide they hate the British as a result.

If that is the position taken, then it would set an odd precedent.

Posted 1 year ago #
nickc - Member

You have to understand that the Koran is not just the "Islamic Bible". It has a deeper meaning than that. It's like some-one taking for instance every possession or thing or person that you've ever held dear or love, and saying "These are all heinous and worthless, and are just fit for the bonfire"...then watching your granny go up in flames...

You'd be upset, no?

Posted 1 year ago #
Cougar - Member

If that is the position taken, then it would set an odd precedent.

Odd precedents are the cornerstone of the English legal system.

Posted 1 year ago #
noteeth - Member

I'd be annoyed if somebody burnt my back issues of Bike.

Posted 1 year ago #
cynic-al - Member

Anyone know for a fact if DailySponge is right? You'd have thought the Police might have a clue.

AFAIK the incitement of racial hatred means that folk watching the video would be incited to hate muslims.

Posted 1 year ago #
TandemJeremy - Member

spongebob - under the various acts that govern this sort of thing muslims are considered a race and are given the same protection. Same as jews. Odd tho it seems.

Filthy - I think burning book that is sacred to some is rather more than expressing an opinion. YOu equate all muslims with "so called terrorists"?

Posted 1 year ago #
Cougar - Member

then watching your granny go up in flames...

Where this analogy fails is, it's watching someone else's granny go up in flames.

Posted 1 year ago #
Drac - Moderator

I'm sick to death of this country and it's attitude towards so called terrorists.

The next ship leaves in an hour.

Posted 1 year ago #
Elfinsafety - Member

Whilst I don't agree with burning books, this is another attack on our civil liberties. I'm sick to death of this country and it's attitude towards so called terrorists.

It seems were not even allowed to have an opinion anymore!

Eh?

Posted 1 year ago #
Junkyard - Member

I find it odd that we think we have the right to burn the holiest book and act all surprised that this causes offences. A bit like me thing I have the right to come round your house and calling your wife names and and acting all surprised when you are offended and thump me /kick me out. We have freedom of specch not freedon to offend
EDIT: Is Filthy trolling or very dull witted? anyone know?

Posted 1 year ago #
Cougar - Member

the incitement of racial hatred means that folk watching the video would be incited to hate muslims.

1) Muslim isn't a race, last I checked.

2) The people watching that video probably hate Muslims to start with, I don't see as they need much inciting.

Posted 1 year ago #
thomthumb - Member

It seems were not even allowed to have an opinion anymore!

if they wanted to voice an opinion a well reasoned essay would be a better medium than burning a book.

It is similar to punching a catholic in the face and saying that you don't agree with the handling of the child abuse. it's just not the done way to do things.

Posted 1 year ago #
barnsleymitch - Member

Think they're members of the EDL. As I said before, I doubt they were doing it in order to promote racial or religious tolerance.

Posted 1 year ago #
Filthy - Member

I meant the book burning geordies were been treated as terrorists, not the muslims.

Posted 1 year ago #
oldgit - Member

Surely it's religious hatred?
Muslims are available in many races including the same as that of the book burners.
Grrr down with Muslims but not white ones?

Posted 1 year ago #
Spongebob - Member

noteeth - Member

I'd be annoyed if somebody burnt my back issues of Bike.

But you wouldn't give a stuff if i burned my own copies. Would you?

Posted 1 year ago #
cynic-al - Member

The people watching that video probably hate Muslims to start with, I don't see as they need much inciting.

Can you incite yourself to do something?

FAIL!

Posted 1 year ago #
Drac - Moderator

I meant the book burning geordies were been treated as terrorists, not the muslims.

How?

Posted 1 year ago #
RealMan - Member

I find it odd that we think we have the right to burn the holiest book and act all surprised that this causes offences. A bit like me thing I have the right to come round your house and calling your wife names and and acting all surprised when you are offended and thump me /kick me out. We have freedom of specch not freedon to offend

+1

People are burning the book to deliberately piss off Muslims.

Posted 1 year ago #
Junkyard - Member

spongebob surely you can see the difference - they hold the book to be sacred whoever owns it.

Posted 1 year ago #
Elfinsafety - Member

Most British Muslims tend to be Brown. So, it's probbly safe to assume that this was in fact a stunt designed to stir up racial hatred, yes.

I think the mistake was in giving such ignorant stupidity any publicity. Just a bunch of frustrated inadequate pigshit-thick morons with nowt else to do but hate and blame others for their own shortcomings.

Posted 1 year ago #
Filthy - Member

Drac,

Because the anti terror laws cover "inciting racial hatred".. hence treated like a terrorist.

Posted 1 year ago #
RealMan - Member

spongebob surely you can see the difference - they hold the book to be sacred whoever owns it.

Like the Americans get over their flag. Does anyone else really care about their flag the way the Americans do? Not really. Does it make burning an American flag ok? Not really.

Posted 1 year ago #
TandemJeremy - Member

racial and religious hatred act 2006

Posted 1 year ago #
CharlieMungus - Member

Whilst I don't agree with burning books, this is another attack on our civil liberties. I'm sick to death of this country and it's attitude towards so called terrorists.

It seems were not even allowed to have an opinion anymore

Have reported this to Mods.

Posted 1 year ago #
barnsleymitch - Member

I've just put the kettle on, and I think MrsBarnsley bought some hob nobs yesterday.

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