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coffeeking - Member

You have to wonder how the UK government can have the cheek to criticise Libya, China, Korea etc for imprisoning dissidents, censoring free speech and oppressing civil uprisings...

...I'd like to protest about this but if I suggested that here I could be locked up. Hurrah for democracy.

The UK government will let you whinge and whine about it endlessly, even in large on-street demonstrations if you like, holding up everyone else and costing taxpayers policing fees. It'll even ensure there are investigations into how badly the police treated peope who were just protesting and get injured.

When people are setting out to cause criminal damage and mindless violence (even if it's under the veil of reason) they tend to be a bit more harsh, and rightly so. If you want to protest for the right for organised criminal activity then go for it, but that seems a tad moronic to me, but I wouldn't put it past a large percentage of he UK population to join you.

Posted 9 months ago #
yunki - Member

Gun metal skies, broken lives
Claustrophobic concrete, english high-rise
Exterminate the underclass, exterminate the telepaths

No civil disobedience, no civil disobedience

Incubating ultraviolence, psychic distortions
Slow death injectible, (my case is?) narcosis terminal
Damaged receptors, fractured speech

No civil disobedience, no civil disobedience

Control virus, hallucininatory programmes
Septicaemic interzone, psychic distortions
Satellite sickness, tv junk

No civil disobedience, no civil disobedience

What's up?

No civil disobedience, no civil disobedience
No civil disobedience

Insecticide shots for criminal cops
All jails are concentration camps, all judges are bought
Everyone's a prostitute, everyone's a prostitute

No civil disobedience, no civil disobedience

Lookout kid, they keep it all hid
You think you're free but you ain't free, just free to be hit
You're an unchannelled frequency
Nobody's listening
You're imbalanced permanent, nobody's listening

No civil disobedience, no civil disobedience

No civil disobedience, no civil disobedience
No civil disobedience

Posted 9 months ago #
cranberry - Member

we can probably be pretty sure that they won't be net taxpayers by the time they come out, or afterwards.

*sniffle* they will probably be fired from their jobs at that charity, fall out of the 50% tax brand and it'll all be the fault of those that think trying to arrange violent disorder deserves a damn good bit of punishment.

In many ways these 2 poor wretches are the victims in this sorry affair.

Posted 9 months ago #
uplink - Member

In many ways these 2 poor wretches are the victims in this sorry affair.

Surely there's a Victims Support branch in Strangeways?

Posted 9 months ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

If the intention is to send a clear message and dissuade others from trying to incite riots on the web, then I think it has worked - so on that score I have no problem with the sentences..

But 8 years would also have had that effect - does that mean that 8 year sentences would also have been justified ?

What was the judge thinking, "I better not give them just a year each, otherwise they'll just do it again, or others will be tempted to do it" ?

Quite apart from anything else, it's my taxes which is paying for this stupid sentencing.

And yeah, this is more the sort of stuff you expect from a country like Iran, not the UK.

Incidentally, a couple of days ago someone in the UK was arrested for trying to organise a public water fight :

English Man Arrested For Planning Water-Fight With BBM

And yet a couple of weeks ago the British press was having a song and dance about Iran doing exactly the same thing :

Iranian youths arrested for public water pistol fight in Tehran

Posted 9 months ago #
coffeeking - Member

I think the problem is few people consider the consequences of their online actions and fewer consider the consequences of their real life actions and how they affect others. It's about time people started to instead of hiding behind the "it's the internet, it's not real" ideal. In many ways these people need to grow up and take responsibility for their actions, making excuses for them is equally irresponsible.

What was the judge thinking, "I better not give them just a year each, otherwise they'll just do it again, or others will be tempted to do it" ?

Where's the line drawn? A week? A day? All will make them think twice, but they're stupid enough and presumably have so little to lose that only removal of liberty for a significant period will make them think twice?

Posted 9 months ago #
yunki - Member

a damn good bit of punishment.

have you ever met anyone who's been to prison..?

Posted 9 months ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

Where's the line drawn? A week? A day?

How about using "common-sense" and not stupid knee-jerk reactions when considering sentencing ?

Just a thought like

Posted 9 months ago #
coffeeking - Member

How about using "common-sense" and not stupid knee-jerk reactions when considering sentencing ?

Just a thought like

Seriously, where do you draw the line? What would you class as a sensible sentence that acts as a deterrent to others? The range of "common sense" sentencing is set out in the laws with which they were charged and as far as I am aware they are at the lower end of the sentencing for it? (max was 10 years wasn't it?).

Posted 9 months ago #
uplink - Member

have you ever met anyone who's been to prison..?

I once employed an armed robber, went in uneducated, came out with a degree
Nice bloke too

Posted 9 months ago #
coffeeking - Member

I once employed an armed robber, went in uneducated, came out with a degree

So you got away with the planning of the heist then?

Posted 9 months ago #
don simon - Member

Common sense says to me that you should wear a helmet when riding a bike, other have a differing opinion on what common sense is, don't they? A hard line stance now to send out a strong message to potential law breakers in the future seems a bit more sensible to me than nuturing an element of society that has no fear of or respect for authority and will cost us more in the future.
Just a thought like.

Posted 9 months ago #
cranberry - Member

a damn good bit of punishment.

have you ever met anyone who's been to prison..?

I've met several over the years.

I'll agree with you that prison is not as effective as it should be, but 2 years in jail is a fairly severe punishment in my book.

Posted 9 months ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

A hard line stance now to send out a strong message to potential law breakers in the future seems a bit more sensible ........

So just one year for saying something silly whilst drunk on the internet, and which you regret the next morning, would be considered to be too soft ?

Don't bother answering that- I'm going on a bike ride.

Posted 9 months ago #
barnsleymitch - Member

To be frank, I really dont care. Given half a chance, they'd have been ruining some other poor sods life, and does anybody really believe they'd have thought about the consequences? Whether or not prison will make any positive difference, or the sentences were too harsh is another argument, but as I said, my initial reaction is 'so what?'.

Posted 9 months ago #
don simon - Member

Don't bother answering that- I'm going on a bike ride.

With or without a helmet?

Posted 9 months ago #
coffeeking - Member

So just one year for saying something silly whilst drunk on the internet, and which you regret the next morning, would be considered to be too soft ?

Anyone can claim the "I was drunk" excuse, it's pathetic. Plenty of people blame their choice to drive on being drunk and not thinking straight, doesn't mean they should be allowed to get away with it unless they kill someone.

Posted 9 months ago #
Sodajim - Member

yunki -
we need this guy in charge.. he knows how to deal with people that don't toe the party line..

Shamone!! Get your looting ass out that trainer store mother f*****!! He Hee!!

Posted 9 months ago #
konabunny - Member

*sniffle* they will probably be fired from their jobs at that charity...

Apparently it's easier to be sarcastic than to try to substantiate - or even articulate - your point.

Posted 9 months ago #
richmtb - Member

The criminal justice system in this country needs a serious rethink.

With the exception of Russia, we have the highest prison population in Europe, yet we don't have a low crime rate compared to Europe generally. So its hard to claim that prison acts as a deterrent.

Posted 9 months ago #
Elfinsafety - Member

Trouble is, with all these stupidly reactionary sentences being handed out, which are totally disproportionate with the actual 'crimes', the courts will now also be full of appeals, at even more public expense. And I imagine loads of people will have their sentences commuted to something far more reasonable, which kind of makes a mockery of the original sentencing.

I'd like to see quite a few magistrates and judges 'retired' through all this. Some simply aren't fit to hold the office they should consider a great privilege and honour to be in.

People should be sentenced fairly and appropriately, not be used as political pawns.

I can't really see as how such tough sentencing will really prevent future trouble; people will have the attitude of 'may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb', and be more prepared to avoid arrest. Or prefer targets which will be less likely to be considered by police, such as smaller shopping areas, less populated places etc.

This is all too 'shutting the stable door after..' kind of stuff. Just stupid.

Posted 9 months ago #
IanMunro - Member

I imaging the sentencing will put off quite a few.
It won't stop those with little to loose, but I reckon all the dimwits who went out for a bit of a loot for lolz will think twice.
You're right about the judges and magistrates though.

Posted 9 months ago #
Surrounded By Zulus - Member

There is no justice in those sentences. Judge/magistrate/politicians need to be jailed for passing those sentences or allowing them to be passed.

I'd say fraud by an MP was far more serious than what those boys did.

Posted 9 months ago #
kimbers - Member

i suspect sentencing will be greatly reduced on appeal
if not echr would hopefully get involved just to p!ss off the rightwingnutjobs (tm) even more

either way i think some lawyers stand to make a lot of money out of these riots

quite amusing to see brentford magistrates court all busy again as its about to be closed down

as i said before

1.2 million claimed by mps had to be paid back, but only 4 of them broke the law apparently

yet you can get 4 years for being a **** on the internet

un-freaking-believable

Posted 9 months ago #
uplink - Member

And I imagine loads of people will have their sentences commuted to something far more reasonable, which kind of makes a mockery of the original sentencing

i suspect sentencing will be greatly reduced on appeal

Quite possibly but the shock effect the 4 years has [presumably] had on them is worth it IMO
Let them sweat a bit more, thinking that they should be a bit better off after appeal but with a niggling doubt that maybe the sentence will stand - it's all good

Posted 9 months ago #
MSP - Member

Right who's up for some rioting and looting tonight? Meet up outside M&S at 7pm, maybe even do some pillaging as well for good measure.

Posted 9 months ago #
Elfinsafety - Member

Best hold back on the raping bit though eh?

After all, we are more civilised these days.

Posted 9 months ago #
uplink - Member

Meet up outside M&S at 7pm

Which M&S?

Also, 7pm is the usual time that the Handwringers Society meet up and they often want some poor misunderstood ~~villain~~ victim of society to tell their story
By the time the societies members have stopped tutting and weeping and with the usual break for coffee, it's often gone 9

Just a thought

Posted 9 months ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

coffeeking - Member

.....doesn't mean they should be allowed to get away with it

So where's the bit where I say "they should be allowed to get away with it"? Go on, tell me - I'm serious. You can copy and paste it if you want.

Just because someone has a common-sense approach to sentencing, it doesn't automatically mean that they think the guilty should go unpunished. Although I can understand how simpletons who rely on knee-jerk reactions might think so.

4 years for what they did is stupid - end of, as far as I'm concerned. In the same way that 16 years for what they did would also be stupid. But pointing out that a sentence is clearly stupid doesn't mean you don't feel the law should be upheld.

Posted 9 months ago #
Cougar - Member

I think you're all missing the most important factor in this story,

... which is that the guy on the right is actually snooker legend Steve Davis.

Posted 9 months ago #
bob_summers - Member

Jordan and Perry? Good job the judicial system has told me they're bad mans, coz I wouldn't have thunk it given their names...

Posted 9 months ago #
coffeeking - Member

So where's the bit where I say "they should be allowed to get away with it"? Go on, tell me - I'm serious. You can copy and paste it if you want.

Just because someone has a common-sense approach to sentencing, it doesn't automatically mean that they think the guilty should go unpunished. Although I can understand how simpletons who rely on knee-jerk reactions might think so.

4 years for what they did is stupid - end of, as far as I'm concerned. In the same way that 16 years for what they did would also be stupid. But pointing out that a sentence is clearly stupid doesn't mean you don't feel the law should be upheld

I would consider a lesser sentence to be "getting away with it lightly". Your opinion differs from mine, get over it.

Jordan and Perry? Good job the judicial system has told me they're bad mans, coz I wouldn't have thunk it given their names...

Slightly dangerous ground, the only "crim" I've known personally was called bob...

Posted 9 months ago #
HoratioHufnagel - Member

Thats completely ridiculous. These people are clearly just morons. All the riots were organise on a closed messaging system.

This just tells everyone one the justice system is now broken as far as the riots are concerned. Its turned into nothing other than a tool by which Cameron can stay in power by showing how hard he's being on people involved the riots, regardless of the crime.

Maybe if all the MP's had come back from their holidays before it was too late they could have prevented it in the first place?

Posted 9 months ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

coffeeking - Member

I would consider a lesser sentence to be "getting away with it lightly". Your opinion differs from mine, get over it.

Help me get over it by not talking complete bollox with regards to what I am saying.

Nowhere did I say that "they should be allowed to get away with it". And now having realised your own stupidity, but only because I pointed it out, you claim you said "getting away with it lightly", which is clearly false.

Why don't you stop and think about what people are saying, instead of just going into tabloid-fuelled knee-jerk mode ?

Posted 9 months ago #
yunki - Member

As usual the right wing nutjobs are becoming unable to walk (or think) properly due to compulsive knee jerking..

Posted 9 months ago #