And who loves the bike so much that he is keeping it and intense are sorting him out. All bike frames have issues at some point. You just seem to have a real chip on your shoulder about intense and I'm pretty sure that's not the first time you've voiced your opinion about the company.
Ah well at least hasn't snapped.
Trace every time. VPP beats DW on trail bikes.
DW is about anti squat, and VPP is about pedal efficiency.
2 very different principles that work better for different styles of riding or riders IMO.
I've ridden them both, and VPP wins out for me on trails.
I like that Pivot a lot too...
I've ridden them both, and VPP wins out for me on trails.
Fair enough. You like VPP and your entitled to your opinion.
It rides really well. I'm not pushing DWL, Pivot or Turner here.
All I'm saying is that there's loads of great bikes on the market so why deal with a company that has QC issues.
Like everything else every company has problems but some much more than others. I am not the first or last to have this issue with this particular company. If you go back to page 1 lots of others have too.
This thread has become totally laughable....
I had some sympathy with Hora (he resides were I escaped from)....... but come on...... get out, ride the **** thing and have some fun.
Turner, Intense, Marin, or **** written on the frame doesn't make a jot of difference. Neither does 1/2 a degree here or there.
Short forks or long forks, air or coil, 34psi or 32psi; it is still a bike.
Get something strong enough for how you ride (or weigh), and go and ride its nuts off.
The grass isn't greener 
Skyline-GTR....... Oh dear :-))
Look when I research a potential new bike I read the reviews.
Unfortunately most of those have nothing but praise for the bikes they are reporting on.
Not really much of an independant opinion is to be found on official websites or mags.
So then the next place to look at is unbiased consumer reviews which is places like this.
If I see a thread asking whether somebody should buy brand X or Y isn't it fair to say X based on your personal experience with the company?
Internet forums....unbiased.... Oh dear God.
PS if you still have that 6.6 hanging on the wall in your garage/shed/wherever it's kept at Hugor Towers, can I have it?
PS if you still have that 6.6 hanging on the wall in your garage/shed/wherever it's kept at Hugor Towers, can I have it?
Hugor Towers is in Australia. I'm working here for a few years. I love this place. It is such a mountain biking mecca compared to Aus. I didn't bring my faulty bike frame with me. It wasn't high on my priorities!!
Can I have it when you get back? I reckon I can get the pivot bolts to stay in.
Seriously, enjoy Aus.
I assume you meant 'compared to the UK' BTW.
First thoughts? Work in progress.
Not a bad thing. Set shock at 30% sag but I wasn't using all the travel (30%) left at least. So I dropped the psi to 150 (I'm 205lb's). Still not using all. Does the linkage etc need 'breaking in'? Btw no pro pedal and rebound to almost fast.
The front is a tad high (king in longish headtube so I was also going to source a lowish stack headset. I also think for my taste itd be better at 150mm rather than 160mm travel.
Otherwise good!
What shock are you using? RP23 or DHX air?
RP23
Have a look back at what stanley said.. the rear will be a bit stiff to start with but will bed in with a few good rides.
Get it built, and get it ridden...
I wouldn't worry about not using all your travel personally. If you over sag your shock it will climb terribly.
I'd set your sag at 30% and ride it like that. After a few rides it will bed in and your sag will increase. You'll need to put more air in to get it back to 30%.
Just a FYI, on the 2010 5 Spot you can only angle-adjust the headtube by 1 degree. No more.
You'll never use all the travel - the air just compresses to its finite point then of course it has no where to go.
Well at somepoint I was going to tinker and buy a used coil shock..
Hora - What exactly were you expecting?
What manufacturer in their right mind would allow a bike to leave the factory knowing that some borderline-retarded, ham-fisted benny-hill-a-like like you is able to radically alter the geometry, then go and ride down stuff on it.
That would be an ambulance-chasing layers wet dream. You really are an utterly spasmodic numpty, aren't you?
Are you saying Works Components, Cane Creek and Saars make a fundamently flawed product?
hora - Member
Are you saying Works Components, Cane Creek and Saars make a fundamently flawed product?
I think he's saying that you are the kind of guy who would fit a Chris King headset with a hammer and screwdriver and as such, should not be trusted to alter the geometry of a bike.
No. I'm saying you are fundamentally flawed as both a product and a concept
I wouldnt go near anything that involved correct alignment.
Kryton57- wrong!!
Fox do understand what happens when you compress air!! Yes- air springs do "ramp up" at the end of travel, but surely this is a good thing? Prevents bottoming out too often?
I bottom out my 5-Spot occasionally (forks too) and regularly go through about 95% of available travel, without having it set up so soft that it becomes a wallowing pig.
Hora, as above, it will get more active as you put the miles on.
you just need to keep it long enough 
ps. watch out for stones getting trapped in the DW link too.... ggrrrrrr
Maverick ML8? 165mm travel, 6.9lbs, amazing climber, nice angles with a 160mm fork on it and £699 at J E James.
In the Alps this year I rode a mates Carbon Nomad and another's Alpine 160 and they all raved about the ML8 - I preferred it to both of theirs.
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