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How Much Does Price Matching Hurt The LBS?
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'How Much Does Price Matching Hurt The LBS'...causes LBS to cut overheads i.e wages which prevents attracting and keeping hold of good knowledgeable staff.
You'd think in these times people would be falling over themselves for a job,especially under 21's.Where I used to work we looked for shop floor staff for 3 months.We either got muppets who could'nt tie their own shoelaces or "I can get paid more working in Mcdonalds/Tesco".
Given most of the appalling technical (mis)advice dished out on here there's still a plenty of need for 'professionals'.Posted 4 months ago # -
What makes you think you're worthy of a response?
That's some ego going on there
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Are you new here, Woody?
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Only 9 years or so Cap'n
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Kill file then?About 90% of the posts on my computer are blank.....
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I'll say it again. Our little warrior of the people knows the cost of everything but the value of nothing.
Karma will get him if his own bile doesn't rise up and drown him first.
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Rorschach - Member
Kill file then?About 90% of the posts on my computer are blank.....Hello, hello, can you hear me?
Are you using the one IanMunro done, or have things moved on?
Cheers.
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(Peeks in to see if there's any intelligent responses, nope. Isn't really surprised, considering the recent posters. Goes off to make bacony courgetty auberginey mushroomy stuff for supper)
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Smally update for anyone not caught in the vortex of a slagging match (which failed to make it to PM after I asked)
Where I had found the £2300, the bike shop were advertising as having them but when questioned, didn't. So I didn't have a price match from them. The shop in question however, did some research off their own backs & got back to me offering £2800. Now, tomorrow I shall phone them and happily accept that offer as £400 is a fair whack of cash still to have knocked off. Long live Cheesecake!
Cheers gents/ladies/unknowns.
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I sell them at £2,100 when I don't have them in stock.
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Mate, get over yerself, get a life and stop with the ad hominem crap; where have I insulted you or made insinuations as to your mental health/drug habits or whatever? Why the need to sink to such petty bitchiness? Pathetic.
As before; you got owt you want to say to me, my email's in my profile.
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If you type elfin safety into google images and scroll down to Page 2, it appears that this thread http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/any-woodworking-experts-got-any-tips-for-elf got a bit out of hand.
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Now, tomorrow I shall phone them and happily accept that offer as £400 is a fair whack of cash still to have knocked off.
I love a happy ending Posted 4 months ago # -
just some random bits:
1. Reckon new cyclists are mush more likely to use an LBS in order to get face to face advice - LBS should (if they are good) always be able to offer a better experience than online
2. Over time for enthusiasts supply of bikes and parts is likely in the main by online as euthusiasts know (or think they know!) what they want and do not need LBS help
3. LBS will have to evolve from being suppliers to service centres to fit, service bikes and parts bought elsewhere for those than either do not have the time and/or skill to do their own spannering.. Servicing is one of the things that on line will not be able to directly compete with LBSs for.
This survey makes for interesting reading
Bikebiz Indy Retailer Survey Results:
http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/independent-retail-survey-the-results-part-one/012286Part2
http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/independent-retail-survey-the-results-part-two/012288Posted 4 months ago # -
3. LBS will have to evolve from being suppliers to service centres to fit, service bikes and parts bought elsewhere for those than either do not have the time and/or skill to do their own spannering
That rather depends on a service centre being a viable proposition. I remember Johns Bikes in Bath running a separate premises for repairs, but can recall no others. Could be viable as a mobile operation maybe? I remember fondly the time that Salisbury had 6 record shops. Now it has HMV, which sells music as an afterthought and a Classical and Jazz specialist bucking the trend. It would be a shame to be reduced from 5 cycling outlets down to Halfords in the same timeframe, which was about 4 years IIRC.
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I remember fondly the time that Salisbury had 6 record shops
And that awesome Classical selection in the place upstairs by the bus station....! Sadly missed.
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Nope, that's the specialist I mentioned above, still there
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Is it? Fleck me sideways, I thought it had closed down! Wooo! Great news! (shows how often I head down that way these days!)
On a Sarum note - Good to see Goomama in their second year! Good luck, chaps!
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Isn't on-one owned by hotlines that's owned by crc? Irony...
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Seems Specialized are getting in on the argument. Sorry if this link has already been posted.
Specialized warn retailers about Amazon App
For what it's worth I come down on the retailers side. A good LBS offers a value added service and this in tern justifies a little extra expense. I think this argument is as much about honesty and standards in a new age of shopping. We all like to browse the LBS but we also like to get best price. If you know what you want then go buy it wherever, but i draw the line at using the resources of a store to then purchase on line. Someone had it right earlier, if you feel justified in this sort of activity at least tell the staff up front. Give them the option to throw you out for the penny pinching gutter wrench you are!
I used to work in retail so a little opinionated on this one.
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bobbyatwork - Member
No. That would be Ragley.
Isn't on-one owned by hotlines that's owned by crc? Irony...Posted 4 months ago # -
I don't think it's acceptable to do even if you tell the staff. They will be aware that if they say no it is unlikely that they will see any more of your money. Telling them that you're taking the piss doesn't make it right.
Actually, I think it might make it worse.Posted 4 months ago # -
Telling them that you're taking the piss doesn't make it right.
Actually, I think it might make it worse.Agreed.
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Buy it as cheap as possible, learn how to fix it all your self, sorted.
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i dont do d.i.y either.
thats what the yellow pages is for Posted 4 months ago # -
There is another side to the traditional distributor and dealer network LBS vs online brands .
Back in the day in the mid 90s before on-one was born , we were a distributor of many brands - Rocky Mountain , Powerbar , Hed , Lemond , Odyssey etc etc - and being a smallish distributor in the mid 90s when the cycle market was undergoing a distinct consolidation . Small dealers either going out of business or being swallowed up by bigger ones getting bigger, and bigger ones are not interested in niche products or small suppliers , the business back then was about consolidation and the arrival of the corporates .
Couple this with the inward invasion of big powerful brands like trek , specialised , giant - offering huge long credit lines and massive dealer support , what happened to smaller distributors like us , the LBS literally told us to f*** o** , so despite being a long established distributor albeit a small one we were left in no mans land with no dealers wishing to commit to our stock .
So forgive us for moving with the times , we have to sell our stuff and pay our staff , and when one door gets closed you have to open another, the door that opened was the online market and it revolutionised the way we all do business .
Many , in fact , most of the LBS from the early 90s that we did business with are long gone , and the wheel has turned again.
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See, the thing you've missed (and it's a big one), is that whether I spend my money in a LBS or online, it's still going into the economy.
Well basically I stopped here, you're just so wrong. I appreciate you a lot, but I think that what you've done makes you no better than stoner or Z11 or CFH. You don't just walk in a shop try stuff and buy it somewhere else because it's cheaper. How would you feel if someone asked you about what kind of design you could do for a website, you did a sketch and with this sketch they'll go and get it done somewhere cheaper. You won't be a happy bunny will you. And you'll be right. People in the bike shop are not only part of the economy, but more important they are part of the community. You know the guy next door, the butcher down the road, the baker, the small hi-fi shop. All are more likely to but back in your community what you gave them. And most important they are more concern about you enjoying your bike than CRC or some bloke on a forum. I suspect, most of your local bike shops pay taxes, to both government and city council, and the more you spend in the shop, the more taxes they pay. These local taxes go toward local child care, road maintenance, bin men, local police forces and probably the local branch of the FC. So basically your local community of shops subdivides your riding. We can't really have it both ways. It's either you think it's YOUR money and you must enjoy it the WAY you want, get the best value for it. And that makes you a capitalist, whether you like it or not and all your nice talks about NHS, pension and all is just smoke and mirror. Or you accept to get less value for your money but somehow help your community and that is called socialism and yes a pair of shoes and a rear mech might not be as cheap as you get them on-line. But you do get a lot in terms of services that you don't get on-line.
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Juan, why the comparison?
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I'm not a socialist, should I avoid my LBS?
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Just showing his personal bigotry I guess.
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Well you don't strike me as a socialist Flashy
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Hmm, OK. So, Stoner, Z11 and I are somehow "bad" because we don't subscribe to your view?
Seems allthepies was right.
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Juan. Are you saying buying from Evans is a socialist activity? That's very strange. Actually, your whole post is a bit strange.
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Well basically I stopped here, you're just so wrong. I appreciate you a lot, but I think that what you've done makes you no better than stoner or Z11 or CFH.
You don't just walk in a shop try stuff and buy it somewhere else because it's cheaper. How would you feel if someone asked you about what kind of design you could do for a website, you did a sketch and with this sketch they'll go and get it done somewhere cheaper. You won't be a happy bunny will you. And you'll be right. People in the bike shop are not only part of the economy, but more important they are part of the community. You know the guy next door, the butcher down the road, the baker, the small hi-fi shop. All are more likely to but back in your community what you gave them. And most important they are more concern about you enjoying your bike than CRC or some bloke on a forum. I suspect, most of your local bike shops pay taxes, to both government and city council, and the more you spend in the shop, the more taxes they pay. These local taxes go toward local child care, road maintenance, bin men, local police forces and probably the local branch of the FC. So basically your local community of shops subdivides your riding. We can't really have it both ways. It's either you think it's YOUR money and you must enjoy it the WAY you want, get the best value for it. And that makes you a capitalist, whether you like it or not and all your nice talks about NHS, pension and all is just smoke and mirror. Or you accept to get less value for your money but somehow help your community and that is called socialism and yes a pair of shoes and a rear mech might not be as cheap as you get them on-line. But you do get a lot in terms of services that you don't get on-line.
Oh whell.
I think you've got me all wrong on this one, as have quite a few people. But if you want me to be a villain, then I spose that's up to you.
Happy New Year!
X
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