[Closed] Genesis Longitude thoughts

I like the frameset color. They really should get the website updated with 2015 bikes.

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I've just had a check of our stock bike - I reckon plenty of room for 22/32/44, yep. I was cheking for a customer earlier, the bikes and frames are all in stock at Genesis/Sportline, so pretty quick for us to order in (they're usually next day delivery to us)

Sizing - depends on much more than just ST!

Another Fargo copy?

I have a Fortitude and am hoping to replace it with a Longitude.

I ran drop bars on mine for a while to try and emulate that road/touring style.

Without a seriously high rise stem the drop bar posistion really didn't work for me.

Perhaps with a longer steerer and or a posistion change it may work but the IMO the non suspension corrected geometry has an intentially low front end.

My Fortitude in drop bar mode:

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Geometries for those who are interested (sorry, STW removes all spaces so it comes out looking a little jumbled)

Frame Size 16" 17.5" 19" 20.5"
Seat tube (centre-top) 406 445 480 520
Seat Angle 66.8° 66.8° 66.8° 66.8°
Head Tube 125 135 145 160
Head Angle 68° 68° 68° 68°
Effective Top Tube (horiz) 583 611 638 663
BB Drop 70 70 70 70
Chain Stay (from front of d/o) 458 458 458 458
Fork Offset 50 50 50 50
Trail 98 98 98 98
Wheelbase (from front of d/o) 1105 1134 1149 1188
Stem Length 80 80 80 80
H/Bar Width 720 720 720 720
Crankarm Length 170mm 175mm 175mm 175mm

I think that this bike looks clever

I don't think its quit a Fargo as its tyres too 3 inch. Also fargo is intended from drop bars?

why the slack seat angle?

This is weird variation. Sold with drops but along top tune and tall head tube

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The colour [s]way[/s] scheme, fork shape mount options screams Fargo to me.
Not that is a bad thing, but a bit of imagination around the colour at least wouldn't have gone a miss.

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letmetalktomark - what are those tyres?

Sold with drops but along top tune and tall head tube

Longitude's looking good. If drops aren't quite right/hard to set up feeling right as they are on many bikes, loop bars do a great job for that sort of thing ime.

How would you fit an Alfine?

willjones - Member

letmetalktomark - what are those tyres?

Some old IRC Hurricane(?) Cross tyres. 42mm

Made in Japan 8)

Looking at Mister P's figures the same sized frame i.e. 20.5"" in the Longitude is a much bigger frame than my Fortitude.

160mm HT 😯

thanks for the geometry info mrP & for the info on chainrings SimonB, plan is to sell my Equilibrium which I haven't used for over a year 😳 & get something that is more touring based & suitable for offroad - have to have a better look at the geometry then find a local shop that has stock & can place an order for a frameset for me 😀 like the look of the drop bars on your fortitude mark but prefer the control of wider flat bars myself

Another Fargo copy?

Having ridden both I can say that they ride very differently.

The Longitude is a much nimbler ride.

Geoffj - both adventure orientated bikes, but that's as far as the similarities go.

Longitude is build with alt bars or standard MTB bars in mind. Fargo is built for drops.

Longitude is way longer in front end, and slacker in head angle.

Longitude is built for 29+

Re cosmetics - they're nowhere near the same colour. Longitude is grey with blue, not champagne coloured.

Struggling to see the similarity apart from the adventure slant, but Longitude is more of an MTB/adventure bike, Fargo is more of an off-road tourer.

66.8deg seat angle?

I can imagine that being the angle between the chainstay and the seat tube, but not the seat angle to the horizontal...

Aye - that's an error. Not even the portion above the bend on the seat tube looks anywhere near that slack.

Struggling to see the similarity apart from the adventure slant, but Longitude is more of an MTB/adventure bike, Fargo is more of an off-road tourer.

Tomatoes Tomaytoes

Tomatoes Apples.

😉

66.8deg seat angle? I can imagine that being the angle between the chainstay and the seat tube, but not the seat angle to the horizontal...

Looooong week! 🙂 Should read 71deg (all sizes).

Re: HT lengths - very diff. beast to the Fortitude. Same 445mm non-suspension corrected fork length but a taller HT to compensate. Less head-down and racy than Fortitude.

Better photos here: http://www.unitycycleworks.co.uk/products/genesis-longitude-frameset-putty-grey-2015

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Frameset ships with Alt bars, Orbit Equipe headset and Mr Control chaintugs. Chipps has the 17.5" sample currently so expect a review in the upcoming months.

 

Hi all! Rich from Unity Cycleworks here.

I noticed you guys had linked back to the site, specifically to the Longitude.

We're in the process of building up the frameset to sit alongside the complete bike in-store, so check the site later this week.

These framesets, including the complete bike, are available now, so if anyone has any questions about the geometry etc, you can reach me at unitycycleworks at gmail.com.

I am so tempted.

😐

Should be ready to roll on Wed. Nice finish(much darker than the 11' Fargo and with completely different geo), mine's going to be a SS/hub geared rig with hub dynamo...more pics to follow!

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Mister P: many thanks for the geometry, I wonder where you got it from as their Sales Rep couldn't forward me one!

Cheers!

It looks really nice built up!
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Can the frame take mudguards? I can't tell from the pics.

Yep, it'll take mudguards.

55mm probably. We're running with 2.4" tyres, so you'd have to go smaller.

Ours is a work in progress... hence the lack of chain and chain catcher.

Yes can take mudguards, I'll post a picture shortly, when I'm back at my computer.

It looks really nice built up!

We're gonna display this in store, alongside the adventure build. We hope this'll fill the gap the Fortitude Race left behind.

We're a Genesis Demo centre too if anyone's interested...

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SKS mudguards from Germany Bluemels Set 29er 65mm black
Used the cut off stay from the front to form a bridge between the pannier screw holes for the rear guard. Apart from that it was quite easy and I didnt have to cut the guard.

tyredandcranky - what size demo Longitudes do you have?

🙂

kazafaza, I got it directly from Genesis HQ. I walked downstairs to their office and spoke to them 🙂

I bought one of these (complete build) to thrash around thetford during the winter, and for some tours I have planned next year.
I am in now way qualified or expert enough to provide a detailed review other than to say I bloody love it. No bike previously has given me such instant and long lasting grins.

Only minor issues (and very minor), are stock bars are a tad too wide for me/thetford, and I seem to constantly scratch my calf on the drive side rear rack braze on, but taking out the bolt fixed that.

Tootallpaul - Not sure we'll have a Longitude demo, but I'll check. We've had a stainless steel Croix, the stainless steel Volare 20, and the Day One Di2. Right now though we've got a 17.5" Caribou!

Pop in for a coffee if you're near!

Not near unfortunately...

🙁

Just had word from the kind folks at Sportline / Genesis, that we've got a 19" Longitude demo on its way!

If anyone's near, pop in for a coffee and a chat!

There was little point the Longitude sitting around at Genesis HQ when it could be put to good use by you at the shop. If I was closer I'd have delivered it and taken you up on that coffee.

Thanks again Mister P! We'll take it out for a spin and get another video online!

Rich - when & how long are you likely to have the demo for? Am I right in thinking you are in Swansea?

Hi Dickyboy, we'll have the demo until the end of the season, and yes we're in Swansea. Postcode is SA4 4HJ
If you like, send me an email at unitycycleworks at gmail.com, and I can let you know when it arrives?

Hi all,

We've got the Longitude custom build up online, and there's some detail shots to boot!

http://www.unitycycleworks.co.uk/products/genesis-longitude-custom-build-2015

This could very well be a bike that will be my first venture into a 29er, looks like it could be a good singletrack runner and cover some miles as a tourer.

Sorely tempted still. I think it will wait till spring though.

Loving the Custom Build tyredandcranky.

🙂

Think I will be waiting to spring aswell, between now and then I will gather up the parts, can anyone recommend a set of wheels for singletrack use to run a ten speed.

geoffj - Member

Another Fargo copy?

More of a Surly Krampus copy. I like it though.

Is there a geometry diagram anywhere?

I can't decide if I need a 19 or a 20.

🙂

I'm 6 foot and used to have a 56cm road bike.I have the 19" if that helps.

6 ft 4.

L roadrat
19" Inbred
19" Sawyer
L Solaris

I'd like to know the TT length if anyone has it.

6'2" and got 20,5" with 60mm stem and offset seatpost - fits me well enough to do 60 miles on the first run... It is longer than the Fortitude it is replacing though!

BONUS QUESTION: what is the ETT on 19"? I don't fully trust the geo chart on the previous page...

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EDIT: will post the ETT for 20,5" when I get back home tonight...

Just ordered mine from the Bikeshak, I'm 5'8" and went for a 16" as the standover of the 17.5" Genesis 29er in the shop seemed quite high for the nominal size. Getting excited about building it up now 🙂

I want one of these but would struggle to justify one in addition to my Fortitude and Stooge.

Kazafaza, this would my first 29er what wheels and tyres are you running as I would be buying the frame/fork but would like to run 2.4 tyres?

I've got [url= http://www.ison-distribution.com/english/product.php?part=HUSPPX25K ]SP dynamo[/url] and XT M765 hubs laced to [url= http://www.chickencycles.co.uk/index.php?cat=19&sub=31 ]Ryde Trace Enduro[/url] rims with Bontrager XR3 2.35 tyres.
The only reason I haven't fitted Knard 29+ tyres is because they were out of stock in folded version. Now I reckon I will wait for [url= http://store.trekbikes.com/product/bontrager+chupacabra+tire.do ]Bontrager Chupacabras[/url] 😈

BTW: Effy toptube on 20,5" is ~645mm.

Long!

Edit: And more pics please 🙂

Yeah, I'd be interested to see more photos, particularly of Longitudes built up with 29+ rims and tyres.

Cheers for the TT measurements kazafaza.

Anyone out there got a 19 that they can measure?

Also- anyone know of a retailer in the South East who might have a 19" in stock?

Evans only have them available to order.

Also- anyone who has bought a frame- what did the frame come with?

The frame comes with 20*deg, 20mm rise, 710(?)mm bars and FSA headset(cartridge bearings), touch-up paint, ss chain tensioners, cable clips...

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I don't suppose any of the Longitude owners are in the South East?

I cannot work out the sizing at all...

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tootallpaul - What would you like to know about sizing? We've got a 19" demo in stock so I'm happy to measure up.

I could try and find out anything you need to know about the Longitude direct from Genesis.

Fire any questions at unitycycleworks at gmail.com

We've got limited edition Genesis Tshirts with every 2015 model, these are currently exclusive to us!

Genesis website has been updated with 2015 bikes today.

Now someone at Genesis needs to take a ruler and double-check the geometry charts!

Hi, I've joined up because I saw this thread, and thought I'd share the experience:

I've picked up a 20.5" Longitude on Cycle Scheme(I'm 6'3"), and sold my 22" Cube LTD Race, "dutch style" pub bike that's mainly used with the kiddies, and will sell my old Surly Crosscheck too when the frame is welded up.

I've broken the n+1 rule because I think the longitude will do all the things I was doing with those three, and I want to try 29+.

I chose the longitude rather than a Krampus because the Krampus is v.expensive, my crosscheck was a fine bicycle(12-15000miles/6 years), but much, much heavier than other decent steel frames I've ridden, and it broke. The Longitude on cycle scheme comes in at half the cost, and I love my old Genesis Vapour, which is now taking over as commuter from the Surly.

Enough pre-amble: what's it like?

Long! I've swapped the stem for a shorter higher one. Feels the right size for me.

The steel frame feels immediately more springy and lovely than my old crosscheck ever did - could be just shiny new bias, but I think it's better. The conti tyres are good, make the wheels huge, but the fork is very solid, less spring than the crosscheck, and something to get used to after riding the Cube. I've had a couple of short rides, gone up and down some long shallow staircases and it climbs really well, going over stuff that would have stopped any of the old bikes with my crappy technique. I like it, and the stock tyres are great.

So the knards arrived last night and I stuck them straight on to see what the clearance is like if you just ignore the bottom ring at the front. The answer is tight = about 5-7 mm on the lowest gear at the back. More investigation required and I'll probably sort out different cranks as recommended - only had time for up and down a few kerbs outside the house, so can't comment on handling, it seemed good.

Just had a read around and fatbike folks seem to accept 2mm and up as acceptable tyre-chain clearance, so I think I'll wind in the adjuster to avoid selecting the small ring at the front and see how it goes.

kazafaz, like the crown-mounted Revo, but surely it gets filthy with no mudguard?
I use mine on my bars on the mtb and on the for crown on the road bike and even with full length mudguard, it gets covered in crud.

stretchtoo - what's the knard clearance like from the seat- and chainstays? is that on the stock 35mm rims too?

Thanks [b]ir_bandito[/b], the [url= http://www.muckynutz.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=50 ]Face Fender XL[/url] is on its way, hope it'll help!
I have another light on my helmet for night riding hence the Revo sits as low as poss for different beam angles...the thought of mounting it on the bmx-style peg has crossed my mind! 😆

[b]stretchtoo[/b]: pics with fat~ish rubber, please!

So are Knards okay on the stock 35mm Alex rims then?

frood - loads of clearance on the frame.

& yes, I read that knards work down to 35mm, then I googled and found this:

http://www.pedalingnowhere.com/gear/surly-knard-review-27tpi-velocity-blunt-35-29er/

Which is pretty conclusive. Shame I can't leave the family behind and do a similar test, but I'd miss them.

I've read that the 120tpi is looser fitting, so I've gone 27tpi and they took a bit of getting on, but once they were on the bead (pumped them to 30 psi to seat them) they seem firm. I doubt you can run at very low pressures that 50mm rims take, but still.

With the stock triple the 20t ring at the front is out of bounds, but I think I'll get away with the middle ring, 30t is fine. 😀

I'll have a look at the FAQ here and see if I can get some pics up.

Must just stress that I only got the tyres on last night, so I've not done any serious off road tests yet, I've looked at the profiles of the Alex rims and the blunts the chap used in that blog and they're similar. Fingers crossed.

Finally remembered to measure my 19inch Longitude. Don't normally worry about measurements, just what feels right. So please don't shoot the messenger if not 100% accurate. Marked up a picture to show what I did measure.
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Thank's shuhockey.

I think I'm going 19".

May be time to spend some money methinks.

Genesis reckons 63.8cm ETT for the 19", that's a BIG difference!

Trigger pulled- 19" frame appeared to match my existing Solaris and Roadrat nearest.

🙂

I measured mine from the middle of the top of the headtube to the middle of the seatpost at about level. As in the picture, so this may differ from the genesis measurements.

2.5 hours up into Lyme Park, down Mudhurst Lane, through to Roman Lakes and back via canal and Middlewood Way picking up a bit of single track. No problems from the knards running at 24/26psi front/rear. 30t middle ring low enough because it climbs like a gazelle. No clearance probs using cranks as a double. Very pleased!

Forgot the phone today, but here are some ropey photos I took in the garage last night, just in case anyone is interested in knards/clearances:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/24230160@N04/sets/72157647069235094/

I'm just going to ride it on the stock cranks with the bottom adjuster wound in to prevent accidentally selecting the granny ring.

Oh this is ridiculous

What on earth would I do with this bike

why am I googling 3 inch tyres

Why did i notice its under the cycle to work scheme limit

Just go away

I've really enjoyed my Longitude so far even if it makes my singular swift and salsa vaya both feel like they're on borrowed time!
It's really nimble and rides much lighter than picking it would suggest!

Questions:
It was supplied with the chain tugs installed. Is everyone running gears using these, or is shifting optimised if I run the wheel as far forward as possible, also reducing the w/b which to my mind is a good thing?

Also, After a few horribly wet rides I really like the idea of running it with full length gaurds. How much does this complicate the removal of the rear wheel?You don't have to undo the guards or anything?