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64 posts & 32 voices | Started 2 years ago by PeterPoddy | Latest reply from bigyinn

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spooky_b329 - Member

If you've got your new cover note, you could send it recorded delivery to the seller and ask him to tax it using your cover note.

Had the same problem when I bought a van recently, sent a good copy of the cover note but in the end the seller decided he couldn't tax it as apparently they take the V5 at the same time so they can send it off with new owner details. He wouldn't do this as then the van was in my name before I paid for it, but he was a dealer. A private seller may be a bit more trusting?!

I'd go for the trailer option anyway, even if you get it taxed and drive it home it would be nice having the trailer following if it has any gremlims.

Edit: details...can't remember if its the cover note/policy schedule/insurance certificate you need to post...check first

Posted 2 years ago #
juan - Member

you know you could have a real bike for less than that don't you?

Posted 2 years ago #
tinsy - Member

pp, looks nice, not sure why I had an old one in my head, I might have been thinking GS rather than GT, rekon that was a good buy.

If you cant get your insurance up to him in time for taxing, then it doesnt sound like you have a great deal of choice but to ride it home, as I said I got caught in similar circumstances, and my fine was £40 after a bit of a begging letter, there was no mention in the fine of insurance being void, though I am certain insurance company's use the words on their documents (of course they would)... If anything really bad happens you will find the MIB sort out payments, at least they did when I got run down by a an uninsured drunk driver many moons ago.

Posted 2 years ago #
mk1fan - Member

You'll be able to tax it over the phone with the DVLA. They can check it's MOT'd and Taxed even if the online system is not uptodate. However it does mean that you'll be taxing his moped until you sign on the line.

You do seem to be confusing what's convenient for you with complying with the Law.

The fact that it's 120-miles away and the only day you have to collect it is a (this) Sunday does not give you exemption from the Law.

Hiring a Van for the day will be cheaper than a fine (which will be for no valid insurance and no tax). God forbid you cause an accident and you need to make an insurance claim which won't be paid out.

I've got to second whether the bike will make it as well. It has been standing for a while and even if it passes an MOT it doesn't mean that it's going to be reliable, low mileage or not.

Surely a kindly STWer can lend a van for some beer tokens??????

Posted 2 years ago #
tinsy - Member

mk1fan... incorrect I just got done for it in similar circumstances, the fine was purely for not having TAX, nothing whatsover to do with insurance.

I do however agree that PP should be able to sort out some way of taxing the bike as he has 6 days to do it in.

Posted 2 years ago #
tinsy - Member

On all the borrowing van ideas, you cannot just borrow a van, with comercial vehicle insurance you have to be named on the policy. FACT.

Before the yes you can if you have full comp and the van is insured blah blah blah, thats just not the case on vans.

Did someone mention Gilera's?

Posted 2 years ago #
hels - Member

"you cannot just borrow a van" aye you can, I lend people my van all the time - I either add them to my insurance as named driver or they have their own insurance which gives them third party cover with my permission to drive the vehicle.

All I ask for is that it returns clean no matter how dirty it was when I gave it them, and they put gas in it. (I am wise to this and loan it out with about enough to get to the nearest gas station)

Sorry Peter Poddy that wasn't an offer.

Posted 2 years ago #
Olly - Member

i pressume, as its a bike, it doesnt have any forward facing plates?
i wouldnt be suprised if average speed cameras and other cameras connected to a network rather than being stanalone, were connected to the DVLA database of untaxed vehicles.....
whats the probability it conks out on the 120 miles home?
for the sake of 20/30 quid, get a trailer/van for the day

Posted 2 years ago #
thisisnotaspoon - Member

What car do you have?

We've had (not all at the same time);

a Moto guzzi V50 mkii

Royal enfield bullet

Vellocet trials bike (50years old, air suspension, stanchions unworn, and damping still working, fox take note!)

in the back of focus and vectra estates!

Posted 2 years ago #
b r - Member

He said he'd get it delivered for £150 - so no round-trip and no need to loose a days' pay - sorted.

Posted 2 years ago #
BigButSlimmerBloke - Member

And? So what?

To be fair, I've never had an Italian scooter, but a couple of Duatis and an Aprilia. Mechanically sound as anything, but with, um, interesting electrics. I believe that's generally held to be true of anything two wheeled from Italy.
Fun enough machinery to put up with the grief though.

Posted 2 years ago #
tinsy - Member

hels, I dont think your right there, my father in law has a van, his partner has another van both fully comp, they sometimes swap vans, his partner just got done for no insurance driving the father in laws van. I was using the father in laws van on a weekly basis on the misguided knowlege you can if you have your own insurance, I am now named on the policy and thats fine.

They need to be named or it doesnt count.

With cars you can swap and your covered as long as your both fully comp, not so on vans.

Posted 2 years ago #
PeterPoddy - Member

Guys, stop giving me a hard time over this please!! We only paid the deposit last night, and I've spent half my time since then trying to get it all organised so I can tax it. Insurance is in place already, but I'm at the mercy of the post getting hold of the certificate. Current owner booked an MOT at the weekend and that's being done today. I'm not confusing anything with anything either! I have a one day window to pick it up. Convenience is nothing to do with it, it logistics if anthing!!!!

I posted this thread to see if anyone had any other ideas on how I can tax it. I didn't know it could be done over the phone, so that's a good idea, and I'm going to see if I can find a post office open on the day as well. If I see my work mate who has the bike trailer this week, I'll see if I can borrow it.

I have no doubt it'll ride back home either, so stop giving me grief about that, because yove not spoken to the seller, so you know precisely diddly-squat!

Posted 2 years ago #
TheLittlestHobo - Member

Have you had a look at any of them Man & van adverts? I would be interested to know how much one of them guys would charge you for it. By the time you deduct your fuel you may get a nice surprise. May even let you come along in person.

Posted 2 years ago #
PeterPoddy - Member

He said he'd get it delivered for £150 - so no round-trip and no need to loose a days' pay - sorted.

Yeah. Right. Sod off!!

And what's a days pay got to do with it???

Posted 2 years ago #
sweepy - Member

Id just ride it home, maybe put the tax disc from my car on it and/or amend the number plate with insulating tape to deter police interest, although if they do catch you doing that they'll throw the book at you.

Posted 2 years ago #
hels - Member

Peter Poddy - whay did you ask for our advice/opinion etc then. Its a forum, if you just wanted re-assurance you should have bought all your friends several beers then asked them if what you are planning is OK.

Tinsy - maybe it depends on the van, mine counts as a car on the Ferry, fits motorbike fine in the back. And the insurance company said it was OK when I called them about letting other people drive it, which is a good enough fact for me.

Posted 2 years ago #
tinsy - Member

hels, well you cant do more than that to cover your ar5e, the father in law reckoned on it being a comercial and not PLG for his van..

I only mention it as it would be prudent for van owners to do what you did and find out for sure, when I was borrowing his van it turned out I was uninsured.

Posted 2 years ago #
PeterPoddy - Member

Peter Poddy - whay did you ask for our advice/opinion etc then. Its a forum, if you just wanted re-assurance you should have bought all your friends several beers then asked them if what you are planning is OK.

I asked advice to see what my options are on getting hold of some tax, and there's been some other good ideas to, like the trailer which I'd not considered.

What I'm getting is hard time from some people for asking for advice!

My OP never even suggested that I'll ride it untaxed, yet apparently I'm confusing 'convenience' with the law and eveyone assumes I'll be doing the wrong thing, or want 'reassurance' (WHAT????) I might do, but that's no concern of yours, and not the question I asked

Please tell me what I was 'planning to do' from my OP?!

I'm getting a hard time for OTHER PEOPLE'S suggestions, basically!

STICK TO THE BLOODY QUESTION!!!!!

Posted 2 years ago #
oldgit - Member

IME you can get away with stuff if you really didn't know the situation, but having an understanding about what you were doing wouldn't look too good if you were stopped.

One of my cars was picked up by those support officers for no insurance, they called in the police and I got 6 points, a fine and car towed. I had all the documentation on me including the insurance document, but there had been a queery unanswered and it was cancelled. All my other cars both personal and business were checked and theye were all fine. The two officers said they would have let it go, but as it had been called in!

Posted 2 years ago #
tinsy - Member

PP, in the doomsmonger's defense, the thread is titled "DRIVING with no tax and all that".

I guess they all read into that as I did, that you was going to chance it.

I am more peeved no one has mentioned my little Gilera!!

Posted 2 years ago #
PeterPoddy - Member

PP, in the doomsmonger's defense, the thread is titled "DRIVING with no tax and all that".

True. A thread title designed to get people to read and otherwise boring post and hopefully make me some reasonable suggestions.

STW? Reasonable? I should have known better I s'pose....

Posted 2 years ago #
genesis - Member

The ANPR system will pick up you have no tax, therefore a tag from the law. The database now tels the police if it have tax, insurance and mot.
No tax or mot doesn't invalidate your insurance but having neither won't let you tax a vehicle as its not roadworthy. There is a loop hole in that it is legal to use a vehicle on the public highway with no mot when its booked in to a centre for test and you are on your way there to have it done, maybe it follows to tax too but have no idea.

Posted 2 years ago #
nasher - Member

I havent bothered reading this all but please excuse me if this has been covered.

NO tax or NO MOT will NOT void your insurance.

Under EU rules any car can be insured third party regardless of its condition.

YES you will be fined for no MOT and no tax but you are still insured.

I know this because I got stopped when my MOT expired the day before (i did book it in for 2 days time) and the copper left me off, and told me to drive it home, I said am I legal to drive, he said yes as I am insured.

coppers tend to clamp down on those with no insurance and if you explain yor situation you may be OK.

Its another reason why you see so many UK cars abroad with no tax or MOT but valid insurance.....they are legally allowed to drive said car overseas*

*there is a time limit though when the car is in said country.

Posted 2 years ago #
PeterPoddy - Member

I'd probably not have qualms about just riding it home. Can't see the police having a big issue if you're on your way home with the remainder of the V5 and a reciept in your pocket.

Well, that's what I did in the end to be honest. I just kept off the motorways for 80 out of 110 miles (Too many cameras on Motorways these days...) So yeah, I drove with no tax. Ohhhhhhhh, bad, wicked man that I am. Oh, and I broke the speed limit as well for good measure....

And to all the doubters who said I'd never get home (Hahahaaaa!) it never missed a beat. Smooth, comfy, powerful. I know how good those Piaggio 'Leader' series engines are...

Posted 2 years ago #
Hairychested - Member

Peter, when I rody a motorbike years ago without tax (forgot to do it, honestly) and got stopped I was fined 50 quid. And that was The City Police in London, proper bastard cops (but still fair as I was at fault 100%).
Take her, ride home, avoid motorways, stick to main roads, don't speed. Don't forget to enjoy!
And post some pics of you riding the girl.

Posted 2 years ago #
PeterPoddy - Member

Tis done mate, she's home in the garage!

Posted 2 years ago #
DezB - Member

And post some pics of you riding the girl.

Posted 2 years ago #
bigyinn - Member

Result! I've got an ET4(?) scooter thing at home in bits, any use for spares or repair? lol

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