In The Future all people will be fitted with a chip at birth and using mobile 'phone technology it will be possible to tell where every single person's bin and at exactly what time.
And you won't be able to resist cos you won't be able to get a job or bank account or buy food unless you've got one.
S'true.
This nightmarish dystopian vision was brought to you by the unpalatable workings of Elfinsafety's fevered, troubled little mind....
so basically you dont want to carry ID so you can break the law without getting caught and if you had to carry ID we will tumble in to an orwellian world
Yes.
As I said it's not compulsory to carry ID when you are on foot and you can still commit crime.
Do you really want to get into "you must carry ID if you leave the house"?
Not vehemently against carrying some ID per se* but defo against cyclist ID
Car regs aren't 100% either "who was diving X vehicle at Z time?" "erm sorry don't know, it was taken withou tconsent...and then someone brought it back"
sound familiar?
*still uneasy about the concept tho
This nightmarish dystopian vision was brought to you by the unpalatable workings of Elfinsafety's fevered, troubled little mind....
Plagiarist
Elfin, think of the positives, use the tag to identify your target, no more innocents getting blown up by roadside bombs. just need to read the chip identify that your British, American etc then detonate the bomb.
Take it a step further, Irish terrorists, your name is O'Neil by inferance your probably Catholic, McNeil protestant.... No need to blow the wrong people up and suffer bad PR.
I haddunt thought of that, actually.
As I said it's not compulsory to carry ID when you are on foot and you can still commit crime.
Do you really want to get into "you must carry ID if you leave the house"?
I guiess paradoxically I owuld choose to carry ID if it is my choice but yes iwould also get all libertarian if they tried to force me tbh i would just loose it somewhere
use the tag to identify your target
Done 
but yes iwould also get all libertarian if they tried to force meI thought that was the point of sugar's rant, to force cyclists to either a signup to a new "Cycling degenerate ID scheme" or force all cyclist to carry some sort of normal photo ID.
No-one can be forced to carry ID cards at the moment so until general ID cards are ok'd this is a non-issue.
Like driver's licenses, if police want your details thay will stop and ask, like any other member of the public / road user.
What they may be able to enforce is insured use of roads - ie to enforce a min of 3rd party insurance on cyclists, the same as scooters and trucks. I wouldn't have a problem with that if the premium refected the likely damage / risk I posed - ie close to sod all - and covered me / helped me sue if required.
Anyway, not wanting to spark debate on insurance, I don't see how ID cards for cyclists is anything more than some BBC marketing-facebook-jocky stirring up hits. Ignore it and it'll go away since surely it's unworkable and unenforcable in the first place?
Are those making the most noise red light jumping cyclists.. bring on i.d.
Stop the idiots spoiling it for the rest of us.
<Prepares pyrotechnic device>
angryratio - MemberAre those making the most noise red light jumping cyclists.. bring on i.d.
Stop the idiots spoiling it for the rest of us.
<lights touchpaper>
The UK road system's entirely designed for large motorised vehicles. There's often no reason at all why cyclists can't safely jump a red light. America uses "right turns at red lights" widely as a way to keep traffic flowing, why don't we trust road users?
<stands well back>
didn't someone on here suggest that transport for London were hushing up a report that said that red light jumpers are less likely to be squashed by HGVs and that's why fewer blokes get killed? Sounds plausible...
It's only a good idea to jump a red to avoid getting squashed by an HGV if you're in a position where that's a danger in the first place, and whether you're in that position or not is up to you. So I don't see that it supports the RLJ = safer argument.
I_did_dab - Memberdidn't someone on here suggest that transport for London were hushing up a report that said that red light jumpers are less likely to be squashed by HGVs and that's why fewer blokes get killed?
They did go out of their way to suppress the findings of their report that showed cyclist safety was improved by allowing motorbikes into bus lanes (after it failed to give the desired results first time, they ordered a re-run which gave even more positive results, at which point the whole process was quietly abandoned). So it seems in character.
Half-agree with Mr Salmon but I suspect there's a correlation between red-light jumping and actively thinking for yourself- the sort of rider who waits at red lights for no reason other than that you're supposed to, is probably more likely to ride up the inside of a bus or HGV because they can, and because they expect other road users to not squash them.
skiHas anyone here been stopped & why?
the sort of rider who waits at red lights for no reason other than that you're supposed to, is probably more likely to ride up the inside of a bus or HGV because they can, and because they expect other road users to not squash them.
Now I did not say that- nor did I say that all red light jumpers are smart riders, some are just cocks.
But- people who while sat at a red light and appraise the situation and think "This is totally safe- only reason not to go is the red light" are also more likely to think "I won't ride down the side of that truck".
I've got a birth mark on my arse, does that count as I.D?
why would anyone feel the need to carry id when on a bike ? we have all paid to be electronically tagged!
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