Are this pair leading Scotland into economic oblivion?

Let’s just suppose Scoltand becomes an independent EU country.

How will Scotland balance her books?

Or will they become another basket case supported by our socialist tax hungry EU bureaucrats?

Apart from a few people with bluish skin, who really cares? 😐

(Opens another beer, gets comfy…)

Awaits TJ.

Nae need for worry Spongebob. Alec is a canny man – he’s playing the nationalist vote like a drum. He will do what’s best for both Scotland and himself, which does not include independence (obviously).

needs more caps locks and a pointless mention of immigrants so , by your high standards of right wing ranting it is just a 4 from me.

Who is this Alec Salmond? Leader of the SNP is Alexander Salmond or Alex to his mates.

You do realise that Alex Salmond is also an Economics Professor dont you?

and a pointless mention of immigrants

not mentioning TJ, it’s a crime! 😉

Didn’t we exhaust this topic about a week ago – round about the time it was still classified as ‘current affairs’?

All seems a bit fishy to me.

All seems a bit fishy to me.

I was tempted to write that too!

I thought it a bit too cheesy!

Yeah, I may have been having a bit of a dad moment. I’m slightly ashamed and amused by myself at the same time. It feels dirty.

Or will they become another basket case supported by our socialist tax hungry EU bureaucrats?

I thought you were, lots of EU Flags on major projects, we built you a nice office block in Edinburgh what more do you want??

Just remember what happened in the Falklands when people tried to nick the oil too just because it looks like yours……….

there is no oil in the falklands so its completely different, oh……

our socialist tax hungry EU bureaucrats

You will note that the socialists are very much in a minority in the EU, and in fact, the conservatives and liberals have a huge majority :

Unhappy about the EU ? ………then blame the conservatives and liberals for that.

BTW Spongebob, do you ever consider “the facts” ? ……..or do you just let the Daily Mail do all your thinking for you ?

spongebrain does not understand truth, real or fact.

Actually as shown on many an occasions Scotland would be a richer nation and would be able to be richer still given the ability to have economic policies to suit Scotlands own position. Note how far it has advanced down the ” power house of renewables” road in 4 years, I suspect in another 4 it will be very evident that Scotland would be richer without England sucking the money away

I think they are several hundred years too late. Don’t they know the only benefit of gaining independent is to enthrone themselves forever like the 3rd world “elites” to amass fortune for themselves? Otherwise it is a rather pointless exercise or perhaps that’s what they want?

So they want to join EU? LOL! Because they want to have more say or control over themselves whatever? So how much can they have in EU considering the amount of contribution they can give from such a tiny population? Quick everyone sell their bodies.

What is the difference for being in the Union and being EU member? At least in the Union they are “sheltered” from most major problems and still get to do what they want. In the EU they need to work hard to contribute as there is no free meal there. Yes, they might be given some EURO to spend but then they need to bow and polish more boots forever otherwise they will be put to hard labour, ahem … like the Greeks.

Therefore, it is like having a short term climax (independent) then follow by a long term labour. The choice is simple in the Union they gain from being sheltered with easy life but in the EU they gain from working hard and standing on their own feet.

Let’s see what the people choose.

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p/s: TJ, yes richer nation but then they need to feed EU.

pp/s: I have no problem if they become independent but just thought that the choice made is rather pointless with unwanted long term hardship.

YES Scotland WOULD BE A NET CONTRIBUTOR TO THE eu – RAHTERE AS IT IS AT TEH MOMENT BYUT WITH THE FREEDOM TO PURSUE THE ECONOMIC POLICIES TO SUIT SCOTLAND NOT THOSE THAT SUIT THE se OF ENGLAND.

aNYWAY THE INDEPENDENCE ARGUMENT I=IS NOT AN ECO=NOMIC ONE BUT A PHILOSPOSHICAL ONE

Frikkin caps lockadn fat finfgers – can’t be arsed tro resolve

So they want to join EU? LOL!

I think you mean to say chewwy, is “so they want to stay in the EU?”………Scotland is definitely in the EU.

I don’t know if that still makes it funny or not though.

Na – its only funny if ew and different.

anyway England would be in the same position – if Scotland would have to rejoin so would England – and who has all the oil and the fish?

Scotland is a very pro European nation unlike England 🙂 I know who I would rather have if i wa in Brussels – a friendly nation with oil and fish or an awkward nation with nothing?

TJ,

Philosophical one?

How can one use philosophical justification when the decision will ultimately impact on the people in the long-run?

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TandemJeremy – Member

anyway England would be in the same position – if Scotland would have to rejoin so would England – and who has all the oil and the fish?

Yes, all the oil and fish to be shared directly with the EU if that is okay.

Scotland is a very pro European nation unlike England I know who I would rather have if i wa in Brussels – a friendly nation with oil and fish or an awkward nation with nothing?

Of course they will welcome you with open arms … all those oil and fish. Is that a surprise? Or is it due to the action of Henry VIII long time ago? 😆

ernie_lynch – Member

I think you mean to say chewwy, is “so they want to stay in the EU?”………Scotland is definitely in the EU.

I mean like an independent nation not like now.

How can one use philosophical justification when the decision will ultimately impact on the people in the long-run?

WTF does that mean? I assume pro ndependence and pro union are BOTH philisophical views and either view will impact on people in the long run and so that is not worth raising as an issue… you also seem to be objecting to people with principles now.

Actually as shown on many an occasions Scotland would be a richer nation and would be able to be richer still given the ability to have economic policies to suit Scotlands own position. Note how far it has advanced down the ” power house of renewables” road in 4 years, I suspect in another 4 it will be very evident that Scotland would be richer without England sucking the money away

Not really followed this but;
If as the producers are threatening to do darn sarf and start shutting down oil fields due to the tax increases what will we do then?
What happens when the oil runs out?
If we start upping tax on the whisky industry the owners could just lift the plants and take them to another country
Are we going to accept power shortages when the current reliance on wind farms cannot supply enough?
Does the EU not control the fishing industry? Few programmes on telly recently showing the demise of that industry due to EU controls.
In what way can Salmond resurrect that?

So many ifs, buts, black holes and grey areas in all of this independence clap trap.

How many of us trust the politicians to tell the truth ❓

Living in Southern Scotland I do not know anyone who thinks independence would be any good for us, it is(appears to be)all central belt driven

Watched Nichola Sturgeon get a dose of Paxman last night on Newsnight.

He kept asking what policies did the SNP have for dealing with questions such as the Queen (Head of State), Defence, Currency and International Relations. It became very obvious that the SNP have not thought through all the impacts of independence, because we got the same answer “Independence will allow the Scottish people to choose the best solution for Scotland”.

So in other words, the people of Scotland will get to vote on becoming an Independent nation not knowing what the full implications will be! What a choice.

In any case it will be very interesting to see the SNP manage to govern for a full term without becoming less popular. Scotland, like the rest of the is having to tighten its belt. The Scottish Government will be blamed – obviously the SNP will blame Westminster – but their popularity will wane. On the back of this drop in popularity they will be trying to sell the biggest change in Scotland in 300 years without knowing what will replace the existing system!

BBC News 24 were quite funny on the subject, referring to repeats of pics of Salmond landing in his helicopter and waving as “Tinned Salmond”.

Well I laughed…

Re independence IMHO people don’t make decisions like these based on facts but emotion.

There are no facts available for future performance after a move to independence only predictions, and as all good FPCs will tell you, past performance doesn’t indicate future performance.

Junkyard – Member

WTF does that mean? I assume pro ndependence and pro union are BOTH philisophical views and either view will impact on people in the long run and so that is not worth raising as an issue… you also seem to be objecting to people with principles now.

The WTF is that the philosophical views might just be a romantic view of selves so might sound good but just bring on more hardship that’s all.

The leaders can have as much principles as they like … LOL! In fact I would advocate letting them go asap. Hell, please give them independent as they have been fed long enough. Just another burden really.

I give them the vote for independent. There you go. Be at peace with yourselves and go. Then you can build a bronze statue of your leader pointing his hand to the sunrise. 🙂

Bearing in mind a vote for independence would likely fall right niw

Trekster –

Not really followed this but;
If as the producers are threatening to do darn sarf and start shutting down oil fields due to the tax increases what will we do then?
All that would happen is the same tax as now will go to a Scots Exchequer not UK – no difference to the oil companies and no need to increase taxation

What happens when the oil runs out?

It will take some time and Scotland will have to use what is remaining of the oil to build the wealth creating infrastructure and expertise needed.

If we start upping tax on the whisky industry the owners could just lift the plants and take them to another country

Errrm – the selling point is its Scotch Whisky and again – no need to raise taxation anyway. You can;t move a whisky distillery anyway. It relies to some extent on the quality of the local water

Are we going to accept power shortages when the current reliance on wind farms cannot supply enough?

Which is why tidal, wave, new hydro and modern efficient gas are all being built / developed to fill the gap

Does the EU not control the fishing industry? Few programmes on telly recently showing the demise of that industry due to EU controls.
In what way can Salmond resurrect that?

All EU members would have the right to fish subject to teh usual controls – as they have now. No change apart from it would be one of the strands of negotiation over entry requirements and also Scotland would have representation in the EU which at the moment it does not. last time there waqs negotiations on fisheries the UK parliament deliberately excluded and Scottish fisheries knowledge and input as a snub to Salmond.

So many ifs, buts, black holes and grey areas in all of this independence clap trap.

How many of us trust the politicians to tell the truth

Living in Southern Scotland I do not know anyone who thinks independence would be any good for us, it is(appears to be)all central belt driven

Teh SNP actually gained votes all over teh country from the islands to the border – the only country wide party

He kept asking what policies did the SNP have for dealing with questions such as the Queen (Head of State), Defence, Currency and International Relations. It became very obvious that the SNP have not thought through all the impacts of independence, because we got the same answer “Independence will allow the Scottish people to choose the best solution for Scotland”.

Unlike Westminster parties the SNP is much keener on consulting the people.Policies exist in these areas and sometimes the policy is hold a referendum – on becoming a republic for example.

The divorce process will take many years and some of these decisions are for the future when different situations may apply.

how much of the debt belongs to Scotland ?

the divorce process will take many years, without the husband being able to vote, and with huge and costly battles over who owns what

ps :+)