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buddy it's will here from single track
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magazine and single track WorldCom I say
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good morning because it is morning here
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in Australia but good evening oh good
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afternoon or good night even if you're
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watching from a different part of the
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world this is indeed YouTube live we are
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live here in the workshop and today's
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video I would like to talk about a new
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test bike let's just turned up here at
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the single track southern headquarters
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now this being a line of video if you've
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got any questions for me about this bike
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or if you've got any questions about any
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of the components on it or perhaps any
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related questions about a bike you're
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looking at buying at the moment or a
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bike you're riding at the moment let me
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know anything is fair game well mostly I
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YouTube might not help but anything bike
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comments section below and I have them
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here in in front of me on my phone and
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we've just had a comment come through oh
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hello
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yes London home welcome to the live
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video we've got a few people watching
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there I can see you guys shooting in so
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welcome to another edition of fresh
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goods Down Under
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I'm kind of going with that name at the
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moment so we'll roll with it but if you
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can come up with a better name for me
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I'd be more than happy to hear your
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suggestions so yeah today we're gonna
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have a bit of a chat about this bike so
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Oh trail talking TV what's up hello
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welcome and London what's the head angle
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looks deep yeah I would actually say in
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the video that kind of looks slack in
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that kind of angle but yes we will go
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into geometry this bike soon enough you
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know I'll just tell you now the head
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angle mmm sixty seven point three
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degrees now we are getting a little bit
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yellow gel talkin TVs on to it you
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already know some details about this
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bike and and look this isn't brand new
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it came out I think the launch was about
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six months ago or so but these are just
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started trickling through into Australia
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these are the carbon version and this is
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the one that we've all trail talk MTB
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saying I reviewed it oh no way so you've
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reviewed one of the eight thousands this
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is the marina 120 I should
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let everyone know who's watching who's
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just tuning in to this YouTube live
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video this is a brand-new test bike it's
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a Marita 128 thousand is the 2019 model
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now Marita makes this 120 trail bike in
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a few different versions so there's an
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aluminium frame there's a hybrid carbon
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/ alloy frame and there is the full
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carbon frame and that's this one here
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that we're going to talk about today
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okay trail talking TV 600 but have taken
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a quick spin on the 8,000 there you go
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so trail talk MTV's just talking about a
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cheaper model in the morita 120 range
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now the 120 actually you can probably
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guess by the clue in the name is a 120
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mil travel trail bike so this is kind of
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the bread and butter from Marita this is
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the kind of ride uphill right downhill
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technical trail smooth trails easy
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trails do some six hour 12 hour 24 hour
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racing with some line of race tires but
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then just go to the trail center on the
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weekend and and have fun you know it's
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not an enduro race bikes not a
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cross-country race bike it's sort of
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somewhere in between and for me this is
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a kind of bike that I'm focusing on at
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the moment I've just recently finished
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reviewing the Kenyan neuron CF I've also
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got the giant trance 29 in for testing
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at the moment this is just shown up and
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I've got two more bikes turning and
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turning up in the next couple of weeks
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very similar to this kind of genre so
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this is a kind of bike that works well
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for me it's a bit more fun and
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interesting than a pure cross-country
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bike but then it's not as heavy and
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full-on to ride as an all-mountain
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enduro bike you know you don't need as
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radical steep terrain for this to be fun
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so it doesn't necessarily need super
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gnarly terrain for you to get the most
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out of it had a few more comments come
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from there Matthew yo from Somerset
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hello from Bendigo welcome to the live
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video Matthew how is it in Somerset at
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the moment is it will be Thursday
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evening there in the UK cold wet dry
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warm indifferent indoors at a pub don't
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care Michael Clarke greetings from
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Arizona
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oh hello Michael welcome oh you're
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you've got a lot of snow over your way
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at them
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did I see that right that you guys got a
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lot of rain in our rain or snow in
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Arizona all I know is that it's a bit
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weird
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trail talk MTB should be a sweet sweet
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group test I think you will love the
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rear suspension eats the rocks so well
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for a 120 mile bike yes I've had one
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ride on this bike so far just to kind of
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settle in the suspension settings on
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this bike and just get the fit kind of
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dialed in I'm gonna go for a longer ride
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this afternoon and Matthew a balmy 13
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degrees 13 degrees Celsius that sounds
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lovely it's it's meant to be winter
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there in Somerset but that's now on the
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therm that sounds quite pleasant and
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sunny as well oh well there you go
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that's your you're doing alright then
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even given last year about this time who
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was bloody snowing all the time Michael
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Clarke yep lots of rain lately been
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pretty nice that's in Arizona Michael
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Clarke is tuning in from there I know
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that because one of my colleagues Hannah
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is heading to Tucson I think I think
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Tucson anyway
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somewhere in Arizona and she's going I
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believe next week she's been looking at
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the forecast and it just says rain rain
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rain rain rain so she's she's been
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dreaming about going on a desert holiday
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for a few years and it's gonna be
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raining Mathew snow last week though
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yeah we saw the snow I know some of the
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guys back at Tom Byrd and we're doing
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some snowboarding and James Vincent
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actually snowboarder down he'll villain
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in the Lake District how crazy is that
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that's that's awesome if you can get the
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right conditions sticky nuts welcome
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sticky nuts there's a table ton local
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tuning in now hi there love the rear
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links on morita bites yeah this is this
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is a pretty neat suspension design not
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complicated and not a lot of sort of
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like marketing talk around it I think
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it's a very straightforward but
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well-built well-designed suspension
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design so perhaps we'll talk a little
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bit about the bike
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Matthew it was unreal we're talking
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about the snow there right on so yes so
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let's let's do it have a bit of a chat
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about this bike we're just talking a
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little bit about some of the geometry
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the suspension design and so on now this
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is the 8,000 so in Murray to speak if
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anyone in there is wondering what the
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hell do the numbers mean and really uses
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this for all of their full suspension
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bikes and hardtails so if their bike has
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a number which is a hundred or 200 or
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500 or 800 if it's divisible by 100 it's
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an aluminum frame if it's a thousand if
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it's divisible by a thousand in this
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case 8,000 it's a carbon fiber frame so
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it's got an extra zero on the end it's
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carbon fiber
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okay so hopefully that explains oh I've
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got people tuning in now Greg Katz is
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saying not sure about Arizona but it's
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cold and snowy in Massachusetts Cheers
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welcome Greg thanks for tuning in to the
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live video and we've got Timothy Shehab
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Timothy hey will from Switzerland again
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hello Timothy welcome and you were
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tuning in last week so welcome again to
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the live video Mathieu saying I thought
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rocker links were out of vogue these
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days referencing Kenyan and specialized
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yeah you so you're talking about the
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kind of like the shop link the little
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yoke that then drives the rear shop
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that's very popular at the moment
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and yes specialized Kenyan also
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Cannondale have gone that way with the
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the new habit - I don't think rocker
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Ling's out of vogue I think design wise
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perhaps aesthetically this kind of fall
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bar or faux bar if you will suspend your
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design with a rocker link compressing
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the rear shock there are a lot of brands
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doing it and perhaps all mountain bikes
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are slowly kind of merging into a very
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similar design it would kind of appear
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that way
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so Marita isn't playing with anything
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radical here there's no kind of crazy
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suspension innovation but what they're
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trying to focus on with the suspension
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on this bike is to just do something
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simple and to do it well and also do it
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in a way that offers perhaps some
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structural advantages as well and more
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so called aluminium frames which we'll
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talk about a little bit later
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we've got more comments coming through
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here Timothy looks like an old injury
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by avoid a summit CRX Carbon slightly
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different to the biters but I know what
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you're talking about what are the brakes
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and the drivetrain Matthew orange style
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yeah orange there you go that's that's
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completely different suspension platform
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and completely different aesthetic to
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these guys right so Timothy's asking
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about components so we will talk about
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that on that bike I just want to quickly
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touch on the carbon fiber frame on this
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because I think it's really interesting
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particularly as I say before we morita
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offer three frames in the 120 so you can
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get the light
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I think it's called Li te which is full
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aluminium then there's this C F which is
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carbon fiber alloy and that means carbon
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front end aluminum rear and then you've
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got the CF for this is this frame here
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carbon fiber front end carbon fiber back
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in we've got alloy linkage plates here
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for the rocker link but otherwise this
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is a full carbon frame now the reason I
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say that is I want to tell you how much
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this weighs because it's lighter than
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the Kenyan you're on CF that I've just
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finished reviewing claimed weight on the
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medium frame with the rear shock with
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the headset cups with the cable ports
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with the armor on here with the through
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axle so basically all the hardware ready
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to build a frame ready to build up from
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a frame set claimed way is two thousand
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seven hundred and seventy nine grams
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which i think is pretty impressive given
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how burly this frame looks and given it
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you know it's design is a tough little
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trail bike 2779 grains is the claim
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frame weight now compared to the
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previous 120 carbon fiber trail bike
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marita says it's 400 grams lighter so
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it's dropped 400 grams which is a really
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big percentage I was going to try and do
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the maths in my head then but I can't
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anyone else is willing to do that 400
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grams they've dropped going to this new
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frame which is pretty damn impressive I
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think personally now when you go to the
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hybrid frame with the carbon front end
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and the alloy back end you're gonna add
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nearly 500 grams so this carbon fiber
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back end is 455 grams lighter than the
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aluminum version so that's a lot now
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how's the weight difference between the
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full carbon frame and
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all aluminium frame and the alloy frame
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comes on the cheaper 120 models the
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carbon frame comes on the two top-end
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spec it's nearly a kilogram lighter than
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the aluminium frame 915 grands that's a
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huge amount that's a huge percentage
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compared to the full aluminium frame on
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the cheaper versions of the Morita 120
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right so yeah full carbon frame lots of
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really neat features on this oops I've
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lost the screen there have we got anyone
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tuning in there
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hello oh no it looks like we've lost
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video hey I think we're back in the
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house
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can you guys hear me are we back on I
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think we're back on I can see me on the
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screen we're back Hey alright I'm very
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sorry about that some some weird
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interruption there with the with the
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stream but anyway we're all back on
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sticky nuts you froze yeah not not
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literally trial talk MTV insanely life
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so we were just talking about the carbon
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fiber frame on this Marita 128 thousand
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they've said that the frame is stronger
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than the 160 carbon holy moly that's
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impressive the 160 is the 160 millimeter
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travel enduro bike this is the 120
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millimeter travel trail bike so we're
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talking about a sub 3 kilogram frame
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with the shock and hardware it's nearly
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a kilogram lighter than the aluminium
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version which i think is really
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interesting because these days we're
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finding that the difference between an
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alloy frame and a carbon frame in some
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brands is actually quite small the
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canyon iran CF 2 reference that as a
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bike that i've recently reviewed the
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difference is less than 200 grams but in
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this case it's nearly a kilogram which
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is a whole lot of weight saving if you
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go up to the carbon fiber version we've
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just had some comments coming through
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here matthews saying often little
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difference between alloy and carbon
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seems worth it yeah exactly this is sort
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of getting to the point there the
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that aluminium is getting a lot lighter
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or the carbon frames are actually
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getting a bit heavier and the difference
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is kind of shrinking a little bit but
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this particular bike there is a hefty
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weight difference there by going to the
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carbon version alright so we've got
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everyone here all tuning in or hanging
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out thank you very much and apologies
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about that fee dropping out there right
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so we should probably talk about some of
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the components on this bike and the
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geometry I want to talk about some
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highlights on this bike and why I'm
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excited about testing this because
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there's some really interesting Spectras
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on this bike and the kind of I don't
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know that are a bit surprising for a
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Morita short travel trail bike Timothy I
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like the setup you used on your GoPro
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for the neuron last ride review
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oh thank you very much yeah that worked
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really well didn't it that was a hero 7
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and the footage on that thing is so
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smooth like ridiculously smooth I
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believe they call it hyper smooth but
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yeah with the chest cam and then the
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other camera that was a hero 5 I had on
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the handlebar so that work really well
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I'm going to be doing a rider review on
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this bike as well so could be fine
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tuning a few things but so far I think
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it's going ok alright oh we've got woody
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hard boner in in here I'm late oh well
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welcome it's all right don't stress
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we've got plenty to talk about so don't
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worry about being a little bit late to
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the live video and Timothy's saying the
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FSA wheels look super nice yes they do
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that is a really interesting spectra
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let's talk about that actually
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these are FSA gradient wheels now on the
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Mirena website they're called gradient
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limited on here they're called the
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gradient wide r29 I don't know which
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which is the correct name but anyway
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they're they're basically the same thing
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carbon fiber rims these are 29
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millimeters internally wide which is a
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good broad kind of trail all-mountain
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width I think it suits is sort of two
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point three five to 2.5 inch tires quite
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well and speaking of tires look at this
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we've got a Maxis minion DHR two front
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tire
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it's a 2.4 inch wide trail no less so
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it's quite an aggressive front tire what
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is a 120 mm travel trail
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like I mean if you look at Morita's
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version of this from a few years ago the
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thing would have had 12 racing Ralph's
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or knobby mix it would have had remote
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lockout suspension it would have had a
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head angle like that it would have been
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probably 10 kilograms superlight but it
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would have had a really short top tube
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you know really short and steep and
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awkward so look at this bike now and to
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see where Morita has come from from
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those sort of earlier days where
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everything was all about weight and
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efficiency and lockouts and making a
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cross-country bike with a bit more
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travel this is from at least from what I
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can tell that kind of more purpose-built
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agro trail bike so we've got that Maxis
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minion front ty 2.4 inch wide trail and
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that's a DHR 2 3 c-max Tara no less so a
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very high entire Timothy I am building a
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new enduro bike with a canyons dry frame
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right on that's the new canyons Drive
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all the previous canyons Drive that'd be
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interesting to know Matthew is saying
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the neuron review was very good oh thank
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you very much I'm glad you enjoyed it
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and trail talk MTB saying will be
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interesting to see how stiff they are
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for a 24 hole rim yes
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24 spaced 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 24
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spokes yes you are correct
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carbon fiber rims so they're quite or
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did they should be quite stiff these
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have a really typically tall depth as
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well so be interesting to see how they
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ride but that's kind of the idea with
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using less spokes is to get a a little
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bit more flexing curve in there because
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the rim is potentially quite stiff spec
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highlights I want to talk about the
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brakes SRAM code RFC so you might not be
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able to seen that so well in the the
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video that someone was asking before
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there was a comment asking what the
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brakes are Schramko Darcys which are a
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downhill brake they're designed for
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World Cup downhill racing and yet here
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they are on this carbon-fiber trail bike
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amorita carbon fibre trail bikes I think
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that's pretty cool I'm a big fan of the
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surround code RSC's I'd much much prefer
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them to guide I find the levers really
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solid and the power is outrageous while
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still having good kind of modulation so
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big fan of those
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Kodar sees a few comments coming through
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here do all so Timothy's talking about
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he's building up a bike at the moment
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canyons Drive he's got the old frame and
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he's got some TRP brakes as I have a
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sponsorship with them oh nice little
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plug there
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well done Timothy those stripes look
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really nice by the way
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Matthew I think these aggro trail bikes
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are very appealing absolutely agree and
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that's why I'm kind of focusing on
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testing these bikes at the moment as I
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said before I've had the canyon Euron CF
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I've got the giant trans 29 at the
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moment I've been riding a trek fuelie X
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even though I'm not reviewing one I've
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just been riding one for shits and
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giggles shared life guy in the house hi
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will
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hey shared life guy welcome to the live
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video and we're just talking about some
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of the trail bikes a grow trail bikes
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we've been testing at the moment we've
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also got this marina 120 m and I've got
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two bikes turning up in the next few
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weeks which you'll hear about soon
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enough but yeah this kind of 110 to 130
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ml trail trail bike new generation trail
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buy that you can do basically well
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borderline everything on great cats 120
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mil 29a trail bikes act king in new
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england yeah right on so it's it's it's
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a good style of bike in new england
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certainly where i am here in Bendigo
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Australia this kind of thing is ideal
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trail talk MTV especially in Australia
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yeah exactly I hear you on that one
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Timothy's asking did you ever ride in
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Kent yes I have ridden in Ken's I went
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up there for the first World Cup which
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was 2014-2015 the first World Cup that
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they had back there I rode Smithfield
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and the Atherton Tablelands as well and
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it was fantastic I had a really really
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good time on there very hot and muggy
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though that's proper tropical rainforest
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up there in Cannes it's a very different
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climate to what it is down here in
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Victoria Michael Clark's asking do you
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prefer the fuel e^x over this bike how
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about the stumpy short travel really
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good question Michael and the fuel the X
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look I've only had one ride on this bike
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so I'm not gonna sort of delve in too
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much about how it compares to other
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bikes in this genre because I need more
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time on it but the fuel e X has a
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little bit more travel on the back it's
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1:30 and I think the fuel the X is 130
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or 140 on the front whereas this is 130
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120 and the fuel the X is such a capable
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bike every time I ride that bike I'm
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kind of blown away with how enduro
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capable it is for what is a short or mid
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travel 29er that fuel ax is a really
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really good bike I know my colleague Rob
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is currently testing one in the UK and
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we'll have a full review of e^x 9.7 so
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that's a carbon main frame alloy back
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end that's coming on the website
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literally in the next couple of weeks
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and who's also reviewing the GT sensor
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another short mid travel 29a trail bike
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so these kind of bikes going gangbusters
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at the moment loads of brands releasing
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new new models new versions and they're
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all getting better and better
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shed light guy are all your bikes green
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yeah really
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that's the prerequisite at the moment
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isn't it we've got mr GW in the house
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what do you think about floating
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suspension design great comment for me
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to then segue into the rear suspension
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design so this is 120 mil travel on the
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back the hint is in the name it's the
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mereta 120 so 120 mil travel on the back
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and it's the floating link suspension
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design this is basically a single pivot
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suspension design so you've got one
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chain stay here mounted to the main
20:56
mounted to the main pivot on the main
20:58
frame here one change they so it's
21:00
essentially that part there is what you
21:02
would call single pivot then we have a
21:04
pivot above the rear axle and that
21:06
connects the carbon fiber seat stay up
21:09
to the rocker link II it compresses the
21:11
rear shock now the floating link element
21:14
this is to do with how the shock is
21:16
bolted onto the frame instead of
21:18
mounting the rear shock to the main
21:20
frame the rear shock actually floats
21:23
between the linkage it's mounted to the
21:25
rocker link at an extension of the
21:27
change today so what happens there is as
21:29
the suspension compresses the lower
21:32
mounting point for the rear shock
21:33
actually rotates away ever so slightly
21:36
and the idea there is to give a little
21:38
bit more of a bottomless kind of feel to
21:40
the end of the travel track do it on the
21:42
fuel the X with their full floater
21:44
suspension design
21:46
the brands do it as well Monde record do
21:48
it on there zero zero suspension design
21:52
I can't remember the name on the Mon
21:54
records the opposite though they
21:55
actually drive the rear shock from both
21:57
ends so there are numerous brands out
22:00
there doing various takes on this
22:02
floating shop suspension design the key
22:06
the key point between all of them is
22:08
that the rear shock it doesn't mount to
22:10
the main frame so the rear shop floats
22:12
inside the linkage that's where the name
22:14
comes from so it's a 120 mil travel back
22:17
end it's got that floating link
22:18
suspension design here's where I think
22:20
things get quite interesting this is a
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RockShox
22:23
deluxe rt3 rear shock it comes with a
22:26
debonair cam which is the big- spring
22:29
volume so nice big spring volume we've
22:31
got a matching debonair spring in the
22:33
rock shop spiked fork up front but the
22:35
debonair can on here the stroke on this
22:38
shock is 55 millimeters now if anyone
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out there wants to do the maths 120 mil
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travel 55 millimeter stroke shop can you
22:48
tell me the average leverage ratio and
22:50
I'd like you to work this out hopefully
22:52
if you guys yeah trail talk MTB super
22:54
low leverage so you know if anyone can
22:57
do the maths that'd be great
22:58
I have the number written down here in
22:59
case we don't have anyone who can work
23:02
that out
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Timothy do you have to pay for you to
23:06
test bikes good question
23:08
no the really good thing for me as a
23:11
tech editor single track I can test
23:13
basically whatever bikes I want I have
23:16
free reign whether a company advertisers
23:19
with single track or not it doesn't
23:20
matter we get to test whatever bikes
23:22
whatever product we want I understand
23:25
and I'm not gonna name names or anything
23:27
like that because I couldn't name names
23:28
to be honest but I understand there are
23:30
publications out there that exist in
23:32
this world that will only test bikes
23:34
from companies that advertise with them
23:36
single track doesn't do that that's a
23:38
big big no-no for us we have completed
23:41
your question but no there's no there's
23:42
no money that changes hands with reviews
23:45
I have heard that does happen which to
23:48
be honest I think it's complete and out
23:50
of but no we don't do anything
23:52
like that alright so we've got some more
23:54
questions coming through something about
23:57
all these float link bikes
23:59
this is trail talk MTB something about
24:01
all these floating link bikes whether
24:02
it's murid or Trek just seem to handle
24:04
the rough stuff so well yeah well I'd
24:06
probably agree with you there
24:08
Matthew Yeti had a system like that too
24:12
did they I don't know we going back a
24:16
bit now that this might be an older
24:18
model but all the switch and switch
24:20
infiniti bikes they use a rear shock
24:23
that's mounted to the main frame as far
24:24
as I'm aware her trail talk MTB my math
24:28
sucks math you like - ish yeah - issues
24:31
pretty close right we're talking about
24:34
the leverage ratio on this rear
24:35
suspension design the average leverage
24:37
ratio is you take the suspension travel
24:40
of 120 millimeters and you divide it by
24:43
the travel of the shock in this case
24:45
it's 55 millimeters and you end up with
24:47
roughly two point one eight to one if
24:51
you don't know what that number means
24:53
all you need to know is it's really low
24:55
it's really low especially for a trail
24:57
bike like this and what it means is for
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every millimeter that the shock travels
25:03
the rear wheel moves in a vertical plane
25:06
2.18 millimeters so it's nearly two to
25:09
one they're about that's a really low
25:12
leverage ratio particularly when a lot
25:15
of bikes might be closer to three to one
25:17
where you get one millimeter of shock
25:18
stroke to three millimeters of vertical
25:21
wheel travel doesn't sound like a big
25:22
difference but it can potentially be a
25:25
very big difference what it means to you
25:28
when you're setting up this bike is this
25:29
riche Ock uses quite low pressures now I
25:32
weigh around 70 kilos with my shoes and
25:35
the backpack on ready to ride shock
25:38
pressure on this so far and again I'm
25:40
doing a bit of tuning at the moment 110
25:43
psi that is really really low so you've
25:46
got a big air can on there a long stroke
25:48
relative to the amount of travel on the
25:50
back and that generally means you're
25:52
running lower air pressures then if this
25:54
shock was a smaller kind of unit and it
25:56
had a higher overall leverage ratio now
25:59
I should point out there that we're
26:00
talking about average leverage ratio so
26:02
that is over the entire stroke it
26:04
averages out to point one eight to one
26:06
it obviously changes through the travel
26:08
so to begin with it's slightly higher it
26:11
might be closer to about three to one
26:12
and then as you go through the travel to
26:15
get that kind of progression and that
26:16
ramped up towards the end of the travel
26:18
the leverage ratio will decrease a
26:20
little bit now I don't have any graphs
26:22
or anything like that in front of me but
26:24
I will find that out for you if you're
26:25
interested I am but I don't know if you
26:27
are okay we've got LV Jo here where is
26:32
this bike from how much u.s. I don't
26:35
have u.s. pricing on this marina now the
26:37
brand is Marie that they're a Taiwanese
26:39
brand and their design office is in
26:42
Stuttgart in Germany we actually visited
26:44
there two years ago and got to see all
26:46
of the design and engineering and
26:48
testing that goes on in house and the
26:50
German team the Stuttgart team basically
26:52
spearhead the design of all of the
26:54
mountain bikes and road bikes as well
26:56
and they're manufactured in Taiwan of
26:58
course Morita is a huge bike
27:00
manufacturer they matter of fact your
27:02
bike all sorts of brands they basically
27:05
own nearly half of specialized if well
27:08
they used to I don't know if they still
27:09
do but they're a big player with
27:11
specialized they manufacture specialized
27:13
bikes and a load of other brands so
27:15
they're primarily a manufacturer but
27:16
they do all their their own bikes and
27:18
all of those are designed in Germany
27:20
which to be honest when you look at this
27:22
bike and the suspension design the frame
27:25
design you can see that it is got that
27:27
kind of German flair to it
27:31
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27:32
that's Kenyan luxe load yes so Matthews
27:36
just talking about leverage rate of the
27:37
suspension design compared to the Kenyan
27:39
luxe yes very very low Timothy will you
27:42
do a review on an all Bay of rail on and
27:43
on the trick stuff breaks I heard
27:45
they're great yes already reviewed the
27:48
trick stuff breaks we reviewed the trick
27:49
stuff dura testers hands-down best
27:53
brakes I've ever used
27:54
absolutely phenomenal brakes super
27:57
expensive as well I'd love to try out
27:59
those new Maxima brakes which are meant
28:01
to be even more powerful in even better
28:03
and even more expensive they're
28:04
ridiculous I think they're like a
28:06
thousand euros an end I don't know that
28:08
there's some crazy price but yes very
28:11
good haven't ridden the Obey around I
28:13
would love to
28:15
but all bear doesn't have a huge
28:17
presence in Australia so chances of me
28:19
getting a test mic a fairly slim but
28:21
we'll see what we can make happen
28:23
they are very nice-looking bike that's
28:24
for sure
28:26
trail talk MTB considering how good air
28:28
shocks are in terms of sensitivity etc
28:31
is there much negative in going such a
28:34
low leverage ratio that's a really good
28:37
question I think there are potentially
28:39
two negatives of a low leverage ratio
28:41
one is for the light of riders now if
28:45
you were say 50 kilos then you're gonna
28:48
end up with very very low pressures in
28:50
the shop to the point where tuning it
28:52
might be a bit difficult you might find
28:54
that the damping is a bit heavy so I
28:57
found on this already that the rebound
28:59
damping is really quite slow so I've had
29:02
to back it off nearly all the way it's
29:04
probably one or two clicks off all fast
29:06
which is for me is that's that's that's
29:10
not a lot of rebound damping so there's
29:12
two non this shock and that low leverage
29:15
ratio it makes the damping it gives the
29:18
damping greater effect or it feels like
29:19
it has more of an effect so you need to
29:21
run less damping particularly if you're
29:23
a lighter rider so a super low leverage
29:25
ratio not necessarily good thing for
29:27
really light riders this bike does come
29:30
in a small so there are potentially
29:32
going to be light riders out there who
29:33
will get this bike they might find that
29:36
they'll need to custom tune that rear
29:37
shock and it might be a bit too
29:38
heavy-handed on the compression damping
29:40
the other negative is that with a low
29:43
leverage suspension design you end up
29:45
with a lot of shock movement for the
29:47
amount of wheel travel so the shock
29:49
moves quite a bit so potentially you
29:51
might end up with maybe more wear on the
29:55
seals from that physical kind of
29:56
movement but the flipside there is that
29:58
you're running a lot lower pressures
30:00
inside so perhaps the seals are under
30:02
less duress I'm not entirely sure which
30:05
one is kind of preferable would be good
30:06
to speak to a suspension technician to
30:08
to find out that answer you know which
30:10
requires more servicing I'm not entirely
30:12
sure but there are pros and cons of each
30:14
right sticky nuts Orbea rayon is superb
30:18
yeah it's a good-looking bike art and
30:20
I've heard very good things about it
30:22
Timothy is plugging trp brakes so I'm
30:25
gonna let you continue to do that
30:28
trial talk MTV with the new metric
30:30
shocks and Super Deluxe etc yeah so I
30:33
guess we'll that's it that's a good
30:35
point you raise metric shock on here and
30:37
the way that this shock mounts to the
30:39
frame is the trunnion mount now that
30:42
gives a fairly small package with a lot
30:44
of stroke in this shot but it also puts
30:46
two cartridge bearings on either side of
30:48
the head of the shock so you've got two
30:51
bearings there that drive the rear shock
30:53
rather than a D you pushing and those
30:54
two bearings in theory will provide a
30:57
little less diction to get the
30:59
suspension moving so it should have a
31:01
more supple kind of starting stroke by
31:04
removing the the traditional D U bushing
31:07
or nylon bushing from the top and using
31:09
two metal ball bearings on either side
31:11
the shock heads so metric trinium
31:14
bearing shock they're all very to the
31:16
latest standards and mod cons to do so
31:21
Alfonso's tuning in here it's a YouTube
31:23
live video this morita versus the green
31:25
trance your favorite I don't have a
31:28
favorite just yet I'm really enjoying
31:30
the giant trance 29 I should say that
31:32
bike is freaking awesome sorry spoiler
31:36
alert there but I'm really enjoying that
31:39
bike it's there are a few things that
31:42
that I don't love about it but that
31:44
bikes going really well the the Morita
31:47
at 120 is kind of down a similar kind of
31:50
path you know it's a 29 or 120 mil
31:52
travel trail bike we've got a hundred
31:53
and thirty more travel Pike on the front
31:55
of it we're talking before about the
31:57
maxis meaning DHR two front tire 2.4
32:00
inch wide trail carbon fiber rims twenty
32:03
nine millimeter internal rip with on
32:04
those SRAM code RSC brakes basically
32:08
downhill brakes full length 150 mil
32:10
dropper
32:11
that's a KS Integra Lev drop opposed
32:14
full length
32:15
thank you very much marina thumbs up for
32:17
that one it's a really aggressive built
32:20
kit for a 120 mil travel trail by
32:22
especially from morita so it's
32:25
definitely going down that same kind of
32:26
aggro trail path that the giant trans 29
32:29
is on so very similar kind of feel I
32:33
think in terms of what they're laying
32:34
out what they're kind of laying out
32:36
there let's talk about geometry that's
32:38
probably a good point to kind of talk
32:40
about comparing
32:40
geometry and here head angles sixty
32:43
seven point three degrees that is quite
32:45
slack I think for 29er with 120 mill
32:49
travel not quite a slack as the giant
32:52
trance 29 which is sixty six point five
32:54
so this is sixty seven point three it's
32:56
quite steep in the seat angle it's
32:58
seventy five point five degrees so that
33:00
is quite modern you know very
33:02
contemporary kind of seat angle there
33:04
and the chainstay length it's worth
33:07
noting that compared to the old version
33:09
of the 120 this bike has got a degrees I
33:12
think about a degree slacker in the head
33:13
angle
33:14
it's got steeper in the seat angle
33:15
Morita's lobbed off ten millimeters off
33:18
the chainstay length so this is four
33:19
hundred and thirty five millimeters
33:21
which i think is the sweet spot for the
33:23
rear center length on these 29er trail
33:25
bikes for thirty five mil rear center
33:28
and if you're wondering there are four
33:30
frame sizes in the twenty nine a model
33:32
the reach is for fifteen for the small
33:35
for thirty five for the medium that I'm
33:37
testing here for fifty five to the large
33:39
and four seventy-five for the XL not
33:42
super long so you know in terms of
33:44
today's contemporary reach measurements
33:47
and everyone going super long
33:49
it isn't massive 435 on the medium and
33:52
if you're a really tall rider 475 might
33:55
not be enough I don't know I'm only 175
33:59
centimeters tall so I fit a medium in
34:01
most brands and a for 35 mil reach on
34:04
here so quite contemporary angles fairly
34:06
kind of middling reach measurement on
34:08
here we've got a sixty millimeter long
34:11
stem seven 16 millimeter wide bars which
34:13
is basically the same cockpit setup as
34:15
the canyon neuron CF in fact the reach
34:17
is only two millimeters longer on here
34:19
but a few differences like that steeper
34:21
head angle as slack a head angle steeper
34:24
seat angle just had some more comments
34:26
coming through here to do trail talk MTB
34:31
saying yeah I'm around 85 kilos and
34:34
high-leverage bikes just feel weird now
34:36
yet they definitely have a different
34:39
feel I think I think all suspension
34:42
designs like as we were talking about
34:44
small changes in geometry small changes
34:47
in the suspension design in terms of
34:48
linkages and pivots they can look very
34:50
similar but often the performance can be
34:52
wildly different between them alright
34:54
who's asking how much in pounds sterling
34:56
for this build excellent question
34:58
Matthew I have that information right
35:01
here on my sheet and this I think is
35:04
really interesting and this I think is
35:06
really interesting because I'm used to
35:09
it being the other way around so in the
35:11
UK this is the 128 thousand there is a
35:15
129 thousand but I don't know if that
35:19
comes into the UK I'm not entirely sure
35:21
which comes with Kashima suspension and
35:23
and hiring bill kid so this is the 8,000
35:26
so we've gone through some of the specs
35:28
already carbon wheel strand code RSC
35:30
brakes with SRAM xo1 drivetrain with
35:32
carbon fibre cranks KS LED Integra job
35:35
post full carbon frame rock shop
35:36
suspension package rct3 fork with the
35:39
charger - damper very very high-end bill
35:42
kit I think 6000 pounds so this is the
35:46
second from the top model 6000 pounds
35:49
for the Murray - 128 thousand in the UK
35:52
in Australia the pricing is really
35:56
aggressive now six thousand pounds if
35:59
anyone wants to do the conversion would
36:01
work out to about ten thousand dollars
36:03
Australian it's not ten thousand dollars
36:06
Australian it's just under it's one
36:09
dollar under seven thousand six nine
36:11
nine nine six triple nine so seven
36:14
thousand Australian dollars for this
36:16
bike so that is very very aggressive
36:18
pricing for this bike in the Australian
36:20
market if you're outside of Australia if
36:22
you're watching from the UK you probably
36:24
have no idea what those numbers mean
36:25
that's absolutely fine don't worry about
36:27
it
36:27
all I'm saying is it's quite cheap for
36:30
what you're getting for your money
36:33
Matthew that's more than both my cars
36:35
yeah totally thunderstruck coaches in
36:40
the house after a decade and full
36:42
suspension bikes I'm now on a 2019 Santa
36:45
Cruz chameleon 27.5 plus hardtail and
36:47
I'm having the most fun I've ever had on
36:49
a bike not even close
36:51
awesome and the chameleon is a rockin
36:53
bike and yeah I totally agree a lot of
36:57
modern hardtails especially with plus
36:58
tires make a huge different comfort and
37:01
traction and with modern geometry on on
37:03
these contemporary hard tails they can
37:05
be a load of fun
37:07
particularly on the right trails but you
37:08
can ride them anywhere really
37:11
but yes back to the marina 120 if you've
37:14
got any questions for me about this bike
37:15
just pop them in the comment section
37:16
below
37:16
we're doing the live Q&A on YouTube
37:19
trail talk MTB advanced traders the
37:21
supply is super aggressive with their
37:23
pricing so we're talking about
37:24
Australian pricing on this bike it's
37:27
probably easier to get the bikes which I
37:28
went to Australia versus the UK I think
37:31
you're probably right it's probably
37:32
cheaper shipping isn't it probably a bit
37:34
faster to get from time onto Australia
37:36
than from Taiwan to the UK so yeah
37:39
phenomenal value for money I think it's
37:42
what about $700 more than that giant
37:45
trance 29er that we we did the video on
37:47
a couple of weeks ago
37:49
both have full carbon fiber frames but
37:51
the componentry you get on this bike
37:53
like the EXO one drivetrain the FSA car
37:56
wheels of SRAM code RFC brakes it's
37:59
really impressive I think if you bought
38:01
this bike there's very little that you
38:03
want to upgrade out of the box maybe you
38:05
want to put on a carbon handlebar you
38:07
know to do that thing and shed a bit of
38:09
weight
38:10
you know Carbon around saddle if you
38:12
wanted to drop a few more grams but it's
38:15
pretty impressive out of the box isn't
38:16
it I think anyway and I'll have a
38:18
first-look story on this on singletrack
38:20
WorldCom so if you want to see the full
38:22
specs pricing geometry all the all the
38:27
you know googoogaga we've been talking
38:29
about the rear suspension design feel
38:31
free to jump on the website that'll be
38:33
live
38:33
hopefully within the next hour when I
38:35
get home and upload it but yeah I'm
38:38
really impressed with this on paper and
38:40
the question is how will that translate
38:42
onto the trail so I have had one ride to
38:45
get it dialed in so far but I've got
38:47
many rides over the next couple of
38:49
months on this bike to really see what
38:51
it can do
38:51
Timothy from Switzerland is saying I'm
38:54
looking to find a bike for mum 130 to
38:57
140 Milt revel in 2075 what bike would
39:00
you recommend was thinking of the canyon
39:01
neuron women very good question yeah
39:04
that could be that could be a good
39:05
option the depends how tall she is
39:08
because the neuron is 29 in the bigger
39:11
sizes in 2075 and smaller sizes so that
39:13
will be worth checking out trail talk
39:16
MTB we're talking about the Mirena 120
39:18
he is saying or
39:20
the 800 build is great value for money
39:22
yeah I think a lot of them are
39:23
representing a really good value for
39:25
money the base model I know this in the
39:27
UK the base models 1500 quid 1600 quid
39:30
which is really nothing it's the 400 the
39:32
120 400 crazy value for money Matthew
39:36
how much would benefit would a competent
39:39
rider feel between a six grand bike and
39:41
say a three grand build of this model oh
39:43
that's a really good question Matthew it
39:47
completely depends on the the bike if
39:50
we're talking about 120 here I've got
39:52
ridden the alloy model so I can't
39:54
compare directly I can't say that one is
39:57
better than the other in terms of ride
39:58
quality and really this is early days
40:00
this is brand new for us this test bike
40:02
and I want to get loads and loads of
40:04
riding on it I want to play around with
40:06
different tires and wheels I'm going to
40:08
be testing swapping the fork around
40:11
because this is a 51 mil offset and I'm
40:12
doing an offset feature at the moment so
40:14
I want to try a different offset on here
40:16
as well and but that is a really good
40:19
question the difference between a 3
40:20
grand bike and a six grand bike perhaps
40:22
if we've got anyone watching here at the
40:24
moment who's made that upgrade maybe
40:26
they've gone from a 3 grand to a 6 grand
40:28
bike maybe they could let Matthew know
40:30
what their experience was or what your
40:32
experience was of making that upgrade
40:34
whether it's worth it because I think
40:36
there is a point where there are
40:38
diminishing returns and to be honest
40:41
around that sort of 3 to 4 grand mark
40:43
you'll get a great high quality
40:44
aluminium frame you'll get fantastic
40:47
quality suspension good brakes good
40:48
wheels good tires you can make upgrades
40:51
to the components over time the
40:52
drivetrain that's easy to buy new
40:55
derailers and stuff like that don't
40:56
worry about that too much but focus on
40:58
the frame suspension wheels and tires
41:00
first and foremost because those are the
41:02
most expensive things to upgrade but I
41:05
think around that 3 to 4 grand might you
41:07
3 to 4 grand mark you'll get a really
41:09
good bike once you got to that 6 grand
41:12
mark like this one here you are going to
41:14
get a lighter bike so this carbon frame
41:16
we were talking about how much lighter
41:18
it is than the aluminium version it's
41:20
nearly a kilogram lighter now in terms
41:23
of percentages that's a really healthy
41:25
percentage compared to the aluminium
41:27
bikes so you do get a lighter bike
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that's going to make climbing a bit
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easier that's going to make
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handling and tight twisty trails be easy
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because you've got less mass to kind of
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move around on the trail so there are
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benefits there with going up to that
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next price point it just depends whether
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your riding is going to uncover those
41:47
advantages enough to make it worthwhile
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and that's a difficult question for me
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to answer so it does depend a little bit
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on the brand and the model as well
41:56
Matthew six grand is just too much for a
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bike I agree I me personally speaking
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from a very personal perspective if you
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knew how much that bicycle journalists
42:07
got paid you'd know that six grand it's
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a lot of money and there's no way I'd be
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able to over afford anything like this
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personally I prefer just to test ride
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them and then give them back when I'm
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done
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but yeah it's a lot of money but hey I'm
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not judging whether people want to buy a
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10 gram bike or $1000 bike or a 200
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dollar bike you buy what works for you
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in your budget and hey they're all bikes
42:31
you're gonna have fun on them but yeah
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as far as as far as price goes what was
42:36
the bike that I saw recently oh I think
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because of the that new SRAM AXS group
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set which is very expensive once you
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kind of add these kind of top-end
42:46
components and you look at things like
42:48
yetis and in tents and Santa Cruz the
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prices are freaking crazy so but they're
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selling you know people are selling
42:56
these bikes so yeah I mean people are
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out there buying them so whether I could
43:03
afford or not doesn't matter there are
43:04
people out there who can and are buying
43:06
these high-end bikes so good on them if
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they enjoy it and it brings them joy
43:09
then fantastic do trail talk MTB that's
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why I'm living at home as long as
43:16
possible with the parents yes save the
43:19
money while you can if it's an option do
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it Matthew I hear you mate thumbs up
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yeah I think we're all on the same same
43:26
page they're sticky nuts that's why I
43:28
keep the kids out well you had to kick
43:32
around her it was time for them to grow
43:34
up and leave the nest yeah kids they can
43:38
they can be expensive can't they
43:39
thunderstruck coach for me I spend 3,200
43:42
for my S+ chameleon build and then added
43:45
the new
43:45
sapphire 34 nice Fork so for under 4k I
43:50
have a killer bike always get more for
43:53
your dollar for aluminium frames and no
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suspension yeah absolutely if you if
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you're looking for value for money
43:58
aluminium hardtails I mean it doesn't
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get much more value oriented than that
44:02
trail talk MTB save it you mean spend it
44:04
on bikes huh exactly saving money by
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living with the parents and directing it
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towards buying new bikes yeah that's
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that's that's definitely the way forward
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that's a economics 101
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right so I think we've we've covered all
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the details on this bike so far now I'm
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gonna be riding this bike over the next
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few weeks and I will be doing some video
44:26
from the trails so we take out the GoPro
44:28
we'll get you some footage from riding
44:31
on the trail just to see how this bike
44:32
goes compared to those other kind of
44:34
short travel trailer bikes we've been
44:36
chatting about that I'm testing I'm
44:37
gonna be doing a video next week on the
44:39
giant trans 29 so look out for that one
44:41
if you've got any questions call me
44:43
about that giant drop them in here the
44:44
comments section and I'll see if I can
44:47
answer them for you I don't know if you
44:49
guys already saw the review of the
44:50
canyon neuron but that's live on YouTube
44:52
the full written reviews live on their
44:54
website which is single track WorldCom
44:56
jump on there if you want to have a bit
44:58
of a read I've gone into loads of detail
45:00
about my experience with that bike so
45:02
feel free to check that out and let me
45:04
know your feedback if you liked that
45:05
review or not thunderstruck coach I
45:08
can't wait to watch the reviews best on
45:10
YouTube thank you very much man I'm
45:12
really glad you're enjoying it and thank
45:13
you to all for tuning in to these live
45:15
videos for throwing me out questions
45:18
throwing me out comments joining the
45:19
conversation it makes it really
45:21
interesting for me and and I'm thrilled
45:23
you guys are enjoying it I'm enjoying it
45:25
a load myself and I've got a lot more
45:27
videos on the way
45:28
oh we've got whoo 29 inch web I'm not
45:33
sure what you mean Danielle trail talk
45:35
MTB keep up the good work we'll the
45:36
reviews have been great and the live
45:38
streams are perfect for breakfast
45:39
viewing awesome glad I can help out
45:41
there breakfast in Australia or dinner
45:42
in the pub in the UK either way I hope
45:46
you guys are enjoying right okay I'm
45:48
gonna leave it there because I've got to
45:50
head out and gonna take this bike out
45:51
onto the trail get riding on it get it
45:53
tuned in and
45:55
yeah just see how it goes right so I
45:58
hope you guys we've got lovely writing
45:59
plans for the weekend wherever in the
46:01
world you're watching from and as always
46:04
giveth give us a thumbs up if you've
46:06
enjoyed the video and all the
46:08
thunderstruck Coach somewhere in the
46:09
middle for California rider on enjoy I
46:12
hear you guys have also had a load of
46:14
rain over there as well as Arizona on
46:16
the west coast huh which is I've seen
46:18
some photos of green things which is
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very unusual for that part of the world
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thunderstruck coach thanks we'll see ya
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awesome no worries and yes we'll see you
46:28
guys next Friday for another live
46:29
YouTube video I'll have some other cool
46:33
stuff to show you by next week and as I
46:35
said jump on the website singletrack
46:37
worldcom to look for the first look on
46:39
this bike the review of the canyon
46:41
you're on CF and give us a thumbs up if
46:43
you enjoyed the video and we'll see you
46:45
next time on YouTube live thanks so much
46:48
for tuning in guys really enjoy that and
46:50
I hope you've enjoyed as well and I'll
46:54
see you guys next week
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